Trinity County deputies investigate d...

Trinity County deputies investigate death near Hawkins Bar

There are 20 comments on the Eureka Times Standard story from May 9, 2010, titled Trinity County deputies investigate death near Hawkins Bar. In it, Eureka Times Standard reports that:

The Trinity County Sheriff's Department is conducting a death investigation near Hawkins Bar, but no details have been released.

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oh brother

Montgomery, WV

#1 May 9, 2010
Um, details to follow?
White Hat

Arcata, CA

#2 May 9, 2010
Story I heard, and this is hearsay, is that a couple of men pulled over at the New River overlook, about 3mi west of Burnt Ranch post office. Apparently one of the men fell off the cliff there and died. Maybe there is suspicion that the other man pushed the victim?

Definitely interested in the actual facts of this story T-S, so get to investigating and reporting.
wow

Eureka, CA

#3 May 9, 2010
oh brother wrote:
Um, details to follow?
this is a cliff hanger.(no pun meant if Post #2 is correct)
I hate it when TS does this, but yet others complain when they don't say nothing at all.
But it did say corps, isn't a corps considered a body that has been dead for some time?
Crazy People

Walnut Creek, CA

#5 May 9, 2010
Growing Gold wrote:
Didn't want to pay $1750/lb w/10lbs wholesale for Humboldt's Outdoor Fineness. Yeh, I'd be **** too if I brought all of it out there and sh##head backs out. I wouldn't take his money though.
Um what? So do you know something the rest of us dont? Were involved in this drug deal gone bad?
344thBrother

United States

#6 May 9, 2010
OK Ignore Growing Gold. He's a lying idiot. Probably a shill, most likely just a troll with no brain, just some sort of instinct to lie about his greatness and make people mad.

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Itisa drug

Eureka, CA

#7 May 9, 2010
Trinity County Sheriffs office does not have to give any info to T-S if they don't want to.
They are in another county do you get that.
True crime never pays

Ferndale, CA

#9 May 10, 2010
Growing Gold wrote:
Didn't want to pay $1750/lb w/10lbs wholesale for Humboldt's Outdoor Fineness. Yeh, I'd be **** too if I brought all of it out there and sh##head backs out. I wouldn't take his money though.
JUST WANT TO TALK BIG. YOU WISH YOU WERE A BAS A$$. NOTHING BUT A NERD ON A COMPUTER WITH NOTHING ELSE TO DO!
Local

United States

#10 May 10, 2010
Trinity sheriffs did not want to come to the rescue which turned into a recovery. It's a 1100 foot drop. Coast guard, CHP and burnt ranch forestry all helped. Both men were drunk and stopped to urinate and one went over. The other man gave two stories. No mj was present.
wow

Muskogee, OK

#11 May 10, 2010
That place is scary, gives me the heebejeebies just thinking about standing there! Such a tradgedy, my sympathies to his family.
Retired fuzz

Charleston, WV

#12 May 10, 2010
wow wrote:
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But it did say corps, isn't a corps considered a body that has been dead for some time?
What the article did was refer to information from "Corp. Will Oliver with the Sheriff's Department."

While it's not in widespread use in the western U.S., the rank of Corporal is used by some local police agencies, including Trinity County Sheriff and Redding PD. It's usually between the ranks of patrol officer (or deputy) and Sergeant. Sometimes it's just a pay-grade, but more often it involves added duties, responsibilities, or skills, such as a Field Training Officer or acting supervisor.

A corpse is any dead body, regardless of how long the person has been deceased.
wow

Eureka, CA

#13 May 10, 2010
Retired fuzz wrote:
<quoted text>What the article did was refer to information from "Corp. Will Oliver with the Sheriff's Department."
While it's not in widespread use in the western U.S., the rank of Corporal is used by some local police agencies, including Trinity County Sheriff and Redding PD. It's usually between the ranks of patrol officer (or deputy) and Sergeant. Sometimes it's just a pay-grade, but more often it involves added duties, responsibilities, or skills, such as a Field Training Officer or acting supervisor.
A corpse is any dead body, regardless of how long the person has been deceased.
Thanks for clarifying that. This was a very pleasant response. I misread how "Corp" was used. Again thank you.
Rita

Mckinleyville, CA

#14 May 10, 2010
Local wrote:
Trinity sheriffs did not want to come to the rescue which turned into a recovery. It's a 1100 foot drop. Coast guard, CHP and burnt ranch forestry all helped. Both men were drunk and stopped to urinate and one went over. The other man gave two stories. No mj was present.
Thanks for the info. Tragic circumstances. Yes, he should not have been so drunk that he fell off a cliff, as all the trolls and haters will start ranting about any minute now. But his being drunk doesn't make his loss any less painful for those who love him.
Itisa drug

Eureka, CA

#15 May 10, 2010
How many of us have been drunk at some time and did something dumb but were fortunate enough to survive?
I know I did 2 or 3 times when I was much younger.
I quit drinking over 20 yrs ago and am so much healthier in my advanced years.
It irritates me when the trolls come on with their righteous babble when they were/are worst than the ones they put down.
Butthead

Coeur D Alene, ID

#16 May 10, 2010
Why even say anything yet. Just wait til you have more info.
justathought

Springfield, OR

#19 May 11, 2010
Itisa drug wrote:
How many of us have been drunk at some time and did something dumb but were fortunate enough to survive?
I know I did 2 or 3 times when I was much younger.
I quit drinking over 20 yrs ago and am so much healthier in my advanced years.
It irritates me when the trolls come on with their righteous babble when they were/are worst than the ones they put down.
I totally agree.
Retired fuzz

Charleston, WV

#20 May 11, 2010
wow wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for clarifying that. This was a very pleasant response. I misread how "Corp" was used. Again thank you.
Sure, "wow." It's easy to misread a brief and very incomplete article that is really begging more questions than it's answering.

We're getting most of the supposed "facts" (actually opinions and baseless theories) from the comments section, and it's often difficult to keep the reported information separate from the gossip without switching back and forth between "story" and "comments."

Being a relatively fresh story, however, the Trinity County Sheriff's were being appropriately tight-lipped about releasing information that had yet to be verified, or that might hinder their conducting a thorough investigation.

I notice that there are a few more details in Tuesday's edition, which on their face tend to minimize the likelihood of a crime being involved, but you can be certain that they've not yet ruled anything (or anyone) in or out.

Any death under unusual circumstances requires that the investigators go in with their minds wide open to all possibilities, and then following all evidence in whatever directions it takes them. Sometimes the "obvious" or the "most likely" turns out to be correct, and sometimes it's 180 wrong. Takes time and patience. Not like a 1-hour TV show, and most certainly not like the cut, dried and neatly packaged results on the CSI-type programs. Just doesn't work that way.
Whats he talking about

Arcata, CA

#22 May 11, 2010
Local wrote:
Trinity sheriffs did not want to come to the rescue which turned into a recovery. It's a 1100 foot drop. Coast guard, CHP and burnt ranch forestry all helped. Both men were drunk and stopped to urinate and one went over. The other man gave two stories. No mj was present.
What do you know Local? I used to work with Robert. I would be suprised to hear he was drunk, pissing off a cliff!!?!??!? He has small children. Why don't you watch your stupid mouth! Trinity sheriffs did not want to come to the rescue? You're a dumb*ss p**ce of sh*t. No mj was present? That's probably the closest thing to a fact in your comment. Michael Jackson has been deceased for almost a year. What a m*r*n.
Not local

AOL

#23 May 12, 2010
Local wrote:
Trinity sheriffs did not want to come to the rescue which turned into a recovery. It's a 1100 foot drop. Coast guard, CHP and burnt ranch forestry all helped.
Trinity sheriffs DID NOT WANT to come to the rescue? Let's think about what you're implying. How about (1) they don't have the manpower: fewer than a dozen patrol deputies for the entire county 24 hours a day, or about 3 or 4 per shift, who have to cover all around 299 from the Humboldt County line to Shasta County at Buckhorn, plus north on Hwy 3 to Siskiyou County, and south on Hwy 3 through Hayfork to Hwy 36, then west to Ruth lake and east to Shasta/Tehama county lines. And all the towns, rural areas and backcountry in between.(2) they most likely have neither the training nor equipment to perform 1000' over-the-side rescue or recovery, which almost universally are handled by fire departments and agencies like Cal-Fire and USFS (or "burnt ranch forestry" as you call them), who generally DO have the required equipment and training, plus medical capabilities, or have mutual aid agreements with nearby departments who do.

And the Coast Guard and CHP: what can't Trinity County provide that THEY can?? How about helicopters. Like the story says, the Coast Guard, whose nearest copters are based less than 40 air-miles away in McKinleyville, flew in until it was determined to be a recovery rather than a live rescue, so then the CHP brought one of their helicopters from Redding, about 60 air miles away to take over.

So I believe that the rescue/recovery were clearly beyond TC Sheriff's capabilities, and not that they "did not want" to do it as you put it.
Local wrote:
Both men were drunk and stopped to urinate and one went over. The other man gave two stories. No mj was present.
And you knew all of those things HOW?
344thBrother

United States

#25 May 26, 2010
Local wrote:
Trinity sheriffs did not want to come to the rescue which turned into a recovery. It's a 1100 foot drop. Coast guard, CHP and burnt ranch forestry all helped. Both men were drunk and stopped to urinate and one went over. The other man gave two stories. No mj was present.
Yeah that place IS scary. Been there many ties and I always suck it up when i step over the guardrail there. There should be a "No Pissing, Serious Fall hazard" sign on the guardrail. Bottom line, if you want to take a leak, avoid Burnt Ranch altogether and you better take a good look over the bank before you do everywhere else along 299.

This isn't the first time someone fell there trying to relieve themselves. I picked up a woman at the New River Lookout myself and know of another one as well. Not to mention the gap in the Guardrail at McDonalds Bluffs (In the worst place!) that still collects the occasional car and drops them into a creekbed 300 feet down. Been there, done that too a few times. It was exciting.

peace freedom truth justice
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344thBrother

United States

#26 May 26, 2010
Not Local: you posted: "And the Coast Guard and CHP: what can't Trinity County provide that THEY can?? How about helicopters. Like the story says, the Coast Guard, whose nearest copters are based less than 40 air-miles away in McKinleyville, flew in until it was determined to be a recovery rather than a live rescue, so then the CHP brought one of their helicopters from Redding, about 60 air miles away to take over.

So I believe that the rescue/recovery were clearly beyond TC Sheriff's capabilities, and not that they "did not want" to do it as you put it. "

You're absolutely right. I'm local and been involved in manyu OTB rescues throughout this areaz, Trinity Co. did rope rescue back in the early eighties, but the EMS service took it over almost exclusively in 1980 from Redwood Creek Bridge to Cedar Flat to Somes Bar. The xceptions would be for very high body recoveries which didn't require any real rush.

CHP Helo's would routinely handle that, but Coast Guard can be involved as well. They have vertical lifting capability nobody else has. Also the CDF Helo base on Kneeland sometimes sends in a huey for med evac that's less technical.

On a side note. I think it is utterly ASSININE to be using the Coast Guard for inland drug seizure operations. Their impartiality at rescue scenes was very important. Just like bonding the fire department with the PD for surveillance purposes. How many people will quit calling the Firemen when they need them?
pftj

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