Mendocino County's debt highest in state

Mendocino County's debt highest in state

There are 77 comments on the The Ukiah Daily Journal story from Sep 25, 2010, titled Mendocino County's debt highest in state. In it, The Ukiah Daily Journal reports that:

Pension obligation bonds push Mendocino County into the top spot in the state for debt per capita, according to newly revised statistics released Tuesday by the California State Association of Counties.

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“never stop asking questions”

Since: Apr 08

willits

#1 Sep 25, 2010
bwhaaaaahaahaa!!!!! is anyone suprised? thieving supervisors for years taking money, giving themselves raises, is anyone suprised?
jimmy

Eureka, CA

#2 Sep 26, 2010
tax 0f60% on the pot crop--problem solved
Koalabear2525

Antioch, CA

#4 Sep 26, 2010
yes get rid of all the illegals in the county, we do not need to support them and let the pot grow and put a tax on it and save the courts time and jails for more worse crimes .

Since: May 10

San Jose, CA

#5 Sep 26, 2010
Forget about the pot thing for a lousy second....The problem her is leadership. We have None. The Board of stupervisor's and the Retirement Board is the Problem. John Pinches from the North County is the only BOS that has been around for some time, and was around in the 90's when many of these financial problems started. He is part of the problem. Folks need to understand about how self serving all BOS are. We need new people up there with new ideas and attitudes towards the financial problems with the County...
Minnie

Roseau, Dominica

#6 Sep 26, 2010
This is no surprise. Look at the people we have had for the last 20 plus years in the BOS positions and the county management at the feeding trough. Real lack of accountability and spend, spend, spend. They need to pretend like they have NO money and try to run the county. That might change their perspectives. The BOS would probably all resign.
UDJ wrong

Covelo, CA

#7 Sep 26, 2010
The UDJ missed a big part fo the story here. The POB's are offical recognition of the unfunded liablity - it would have been very easy to not sell the bonds and pretend the debt did not exist. This actually reflects good planning for the future. Other COunty's (like Sonoma) are just now starting to realize that it is better to sell bonds to fund "unfunded liablity" than to wait for it to explode in thier face.

How did these figures deal with PERS verus 1937 Act Countys?
Capitalism is a Sin

United States

#8 Sep 26, 2010
Koalabear2525 wrote:
yes get rid of all the illegals in the county, we do not need to support them and let the pot grow and put a tax on it and save the courts time and jails for more worse crimes .
What's an illegal.. Are they those people that pick all of your food for you, because you can't get off your lazy as s... We should make them citizens and we should send you to Mexico, too lay on your butt and starve...
Capitalism is a Sin

United States

#9 Sep 26, 2010
You yall keep complaining, butt you keep voting these morons in...
just sayin

Fort Bragg, CA

#10 Sep 26, 2010
ok - so everybody knows there is a problem...
WHAT is the solution? Is it to declare county bankruptcy?

If so, what would that do to us citizens and our services?

If not, then how do we close the gap? Do we eliminate pensions for new-hires?

What kind of work-force would THAT attract?

I see LOTS of problems and NO proposed solutions
Capitalism is a Sin

United States

#11 Sep 26, 2010
just sayin wrote:
ok - so everybody knows there is a problem...
WHAT is the solution? Is it to declare county bankruptcy?
If so, what would that do to us citizens and our services?
If not, then how do we close the gap? Do we eliminate pensions for new-hires?
What kind of work-force would THAT attract?
I see LOTS of problems and NO proposed solutions
A-men..
Sols

Hayward, CA

#12 Sep 26, 2010
Vote out the local anti-capitalists who stuff their pockets with our money and vote in -genuinely- fiscally conservative individuals who will put our tax money back into the community instead of into their pockets?
County worker

Mill Valley, CA

#13 Sep 26, 2010
On September 21, Jim Andersen posted the original version of his article, "Another Voice", and sent a mass email to County employees to advise us of his article. In that original article, he discusses the County's debt per capita. He said "This simply isn't true", about the per capita debt being the highest in the state. Given Ms. Revelle's story, and the fact that he has since removed that part from his article, it apprears that his statement was false. A solution for this unfortunate incident might be to require administrators making $120,000 a year to know their facts prior to sending mass emails.

“never stop asking questions”

Since: Apr 08

willits

#14 Sep 26, 2010
County worker wrote:
On September 21, Jim Andersen posted the original version of his article, "Another Voice", and sent a mass email to County employees to advise us of his article. In that original article, he discusses the County's debt per capita. He said "This simply isn't true", about the per capita debt being the highest in the state. Given Ms. Revelle's story, and the fact that he has since removed that part from his article, it apprears that his statement was false. A solution for this unfortunate incident might be to require administrators making $120,000 a year to know their facts prior to sending mass emails.
Again, they should only be allowed to make 10% above the average income for the areas they represent. Want a pay raise? then bring higher paying jobs and lower the cost of living. The mayors, governors, supervisors, senators, congress, etc should NOT get to benefit while the people who voted them in suffer.

the City of Bell should be an awakening for ALL branches of govt. we will expose your greed, one way or another.
Capitalism is a Sin

United States

#15 Sep 26, 2010
reality checker wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, they should only be allowed to make 10% above the average income for the areas they represent. Want a pay raise? then bring higher paying jobs and lower the cost of living. The mayors, governors, supervisors, senators, congress, etc should NOT get to benefit while the people who voted them in suffer.
the City of Bell should be an awakening for ALL branches of govt. we will expose your greed, one way or another.
Perfect, Good ideal...
Mendo resident

United States

#16 Sep 26, 2010
Is this the result of taking the so-called "excess earnings" off the pensions contributions during the high earning years of the 90's and applying the money to the retiree's health care fund? That raked off any earnings over 8% during years that saw gains quite a bit higher than that, money that would have certainly bolstered the pension fund. Again, poor decisions make for poor results.
YourPublicMoney- John D

Ukiah, CA

#17 Sep 26, 2010
So much evidence has accumulated that - if you take a look at the whole of it - there is no other conclusion other than the County officials responsible to manage the public's money over the past 2 decades horribly violated their duty to the people.

The are numerous examples of officials not telling the truth and often knowing it, of astonishing incompetence, deliberate obfuscation, making retirement benefit promised to employees and doing nothing to fulfill them, purposefully raiding the Pension Fund to pay other expenses (most particularly retiree healthcare) even though the Pension Fund has always been underfunded, paying current expenses by building up long term debt ...

It goes on and on.

Most County and retirement officials embrace information they want to believe and deny info that makes them uncomfortable. No one is really responsible to get at "the Financial truth" no matter how uncomfortable it makes officials.

Almost every member of the Board of Supervisors (with less than a handful of notable exceptions) was more concerned about their next election than the future of our County. They promised the sun, moon and stars to employees and utterly failed doing what was needed to fulfill their promises.

You couldn't slide a playing card between the most "liberal-left-progressive " member of the BOS and the most "conservative-right" member - they were both more concerned with looking good, winning elections, and not being held accountable.

And they riled up their supporters by shouting about how bad "those other people" are and what threats they pose - all the while slowly rotting away the financial ability of our County to do anything.

The retirement benefits could have been exactly what they were without the County having one dime of debt. Instead our kids are now expected to pay close of ONE HALF BILLION DOLLARS over the next 30 years to pay pension expenses that by rights we should have paid.

I'm a life long Democrat and I am utterly disgusted by what I see. I'm a Democrat fundamentally because I'm more concerned about the people from the middle of the pyramid down than from the middle up. I want responsible effective government programs to help those people improve their lives.

But a bankrupt County - which is what we almost have got - can do nothing for anyone.

This is fundamentally a massive failure of financial duty and responsibility on the part of County officials all across the political spectrum - and it's a massive failure of us - the people - to hold our County officials accountable.

Folks - it's going to get a whole lot worse - and Measure C on the November ballot raising the County sales tax isn't going to solve the problem. County officials don't tell you any additional sales tax will be completely consumed within 4 years.

Why aren't SEIU and other unions/bargaining units furious with the County. Is it because they know there is a state constitutional guarantee that no matter how much the Pension Fund is gutted the County - which means us the people - must pay the pensions whether there's any money in the Pension Fund are not?

Please see www.YourPublicMoney.com

It's a sad situation.
IslamIsOfTheDevi l

United States

#18 Sep 26, 2010
Capitalism is a Sin wrote:
<quoted text>What's an illegal.. Are they those people that pick all of your food for you, because you can't get off your lazy as s... We should make them citizens and we should send you to Mexico, too lay on your butt and starve...
You are either a moron or a public school education product or you are a Osama cult follower. You pick. An illegal alien is a human thirld world low life who has come to this country in order to steal from the American taxpayer by pretending to 'perform a job that American citizens do not wish to do'. Arrest them and deport them back to the third world cesspool from where they were bred. Do you feel the 'love'. The mood is changing. Anti foreigner/illegal sentiment is growing world wide. Prepare yourself lover of the illegal filth for soon illegals will be driven from America. Mendo. Co. government filth are corrupt just as the Bell, CA officials are corrupt. Wait until the property taxes are adjusted down and you will see the stupid supervisors squirm in their shame as they will be exposed for their fraud and corruption. Can you see the bankruptcy of Mendo. Co? No, you probably cannot see past your next taco.
Skeptical

Santa Rosa, CA

#19 Sep 26, 2010
You morons need to stop turning everything into a rant against illegals and marijuana. Neither have much to do with this problems and by side tracking any sort of real discussions on this issue you are merely compounding the problem.

This is not a Demoncrat vs Republican or a conservative vs liberal problem. We have had both in the BOS and both parties screwed the county. Once again pointing fingers and screaming like a jack ass at the other guy accomplishes nothing.

The answer to this problem is pretty simple - arrest and prosecute the lying thieving BOS member like Kendal Smith to the fullest extent of the law and recall our corrupt and incompetent DA. These people have totally screwed the people of Mendocino county and are lining their pockets with the taxes we pay. These people stole money - plain and simple and they need to be held accountable. If the DA refuses to do her job they she needs to go a well. Lintott has proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that she is as corrupt and incompetent as the BOS and needs to be removed ASAP.
George Hollister

Cloverdale, CA

#20 Sep 26, 2010
"The county pays close to $8 million annually on the principal and interest of that debt, according to Ford." If in the past we had fully funded our pension obligation, we would now not be looking at an unbalanced county budget. It is exactly the same unnecessary problem the state faces as well.

""We've seen some retirees remove their funds (contributions made from their payroll checks) in fear that their plans in the retirement system will not be able to provide for them in the future," Andersen said.
Still, he noted most of the fear isn't about the management of the retirement system but about "the politics swirling around" the retirement system that could change policies." The fear is justified. If the county ends up in bankruptcy, everything will be on the table, including retirement benefits. The more broke one gets, the less politics one can play as well. And bankruptcy is where Mendocino is headed.
George Hollister

Cloverdale, CA

#21 Sep 26, 2010
" A solution for this unfortunate incident might be to require administrators making $120,000 a year to know their facts prior to sending mass emails." I think one could shorten your statement to, "require administrators making $120,000 a year to know their facts" It appears no one on the retirement board, including the administrator have a clue to what is going on. It is the most positive assessment that can be made.

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