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rick

Glendale, AZ

#1 May 29, 2008
So the Texas Supreme Court has admitted the removal was illegal. Well, other religons can now breathe a sigh if relief too. This was a first step in destroying religous freedom that has now been stopped. If enough people look closer they will realize that most of CPS's case was already falling apart. This just keeps them from having time to use so called therapy to brainwash these children agaimst their beliefs.
joy

Middleboro, MA

#2 May 30, 2008
You could dare call this crap 'RELIGION'?
Where do you get your knowledge of religion? From the toilet?
CantTouchThis

Spring, TX

#3 May 30, 2008
Willie says every religion has a few bad apples.

So now what they listen to Donny Osmond (Mormon) singing
One Bad Apple don't spoil a whole bunc of girls?

Can they even listen to Donny and Marie Osmond or is that too racy and
subversive. They wouldn't want the girls to hear about "Puppy Love"...

they only want them to think that a 14 year old married off to a 19 year old cousin is "normal" or "okay" or an 18 year old married off to a 50 year old with several other wives and a bunch of children already.

Girls/women are supposed to accept that they have no choice about having sex with their "spiritual" husbands and illegitimate children.
What a deal.

fed up with the mess

United States

#4 May 30, 2008
How dumb! I'll bet the 12yr old brides are in the temple right now. Been away from the men for several weeks. They must be starved!!!
someone who cares

Los Angeles, CA

#5 May 30, 2008
CantTouchThis wrote:
Willie says every religion has a few bad apples.
So now what they listen to Donny Osmond (Mormon) singing
One Bad Apple don't spoil a whole bunc of girls?
Can they even listen to Donny and Marie Osmond or is that too racy and
subversive. They wouldn't want the girls to hear about "Puppy Love"...
they only want them to think that a 14 year old married off to a 19 year old cousin is "normal" or "okay" or an 18 year old married off to a 50 year old with several other wives and a bunch of children already.
Girls/women are supposed to accept that they have no choice about having sex with their "spiritual" husbands and illegitimate children.
What a deal.
Hey Tex, why don't you go back and really read ALL of our posts before you go issuing your opinions?

You're just mad because the CPS screwed up while bulldozing these people and now their whole case is screwed up.Because of the CPS and their trampling of the accused's Constitutional Rights, the responsible parties will more than likely go free because any evidence they obtained while making their illegal raid will now be thrown out as tainted.That's true justice for the kids, I say.(facetiously)

They should have done things the right way in the first place and they wouldn't be having it thrown in their faces now.They had that group under surveillance for at least 2 years and could not find probable cause to go in legally. They had to rely on an anonymous call from some nutcase with a history of making fake calls, to get their warrant.
Then, instead of doing so properly, they took every last one of those children, when they had absolutely no proof they were in immediate danger.. The Appeals and State Supreme courts set them straight and told them they were WRONG. They better think out any future strategy very thoroughly and lawfully before they pull anymore blunders.

Also, the facts must come out in the proper forum,the courts, not the media.They must be proven in a court of law, not tried in the media.
The truth is, the accused are presumed innocent until proven guilty, even though most of the time it is the other way around.. That is the way it is supposed to be and it is meant to protect EVERYONE.If guilt is proven, then the guilty must pay.If Constitutional Rights are violated, the guilty could go free on a technicality.We don't want that for the children, do we?

The 2 courts most recent decisions proved things must be done properly, not improperly, just because the State of Texas and CPS does not like them.

This is a good example of precisely why the Constitution was written many years ago. Because even then, it was recognized that there was overstepping, abusive government that had to be kept in check in order to protect you, me and everyone else.

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone any abuses that may have taken place there and that pervert Warren Jeffs is behind bars where he belongs, for a very, very long time, hopefully.But no matter what people may think, the Constitutional Rights of the accused must be observed, or we end up with fiascos such as this.
rick

Phoenix, AZ

#6 May 31, 2008
someone who cares wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Tex, why don't you go back and really read ALL of our posts before you go issuing your opinions?
You're just mad because the CPS screwed up while bulldozing these people and now their whole case is screwed up.Because of the CPS and their trampling of the accused's Constitutional Rights, the responsible parties will more than likely go free because any evidence they obtained while making their illegal raid will now be thrown out as tainted.That's true justice for the kids, I say.(facetiously)
They should have done things the right way in the first place and they wouldn't be having it thrown in their faces now.They had that group under surveillance for at least 2 years and could not find probable cause to go in legally. They had to rely on an anonymous call from some nutcase with a history of making fake calls, to get their warrant.
Then, instead of doing so properly, they took every last one of those children, when they had absolutely no proof they were in immediate danger.. The Appeals and State Supreme courts set them straight and told them they were WRONG. They better think out any future strategy very thoroughly and lawfully before they pull anymore blunders.
Also, the facts must come out in the proper forum,the courts, not the media.They must be proven in a court of law, not tried in the media.
The truth is, the accused are presumed innocent until proven guilty, even though most of the time it is the other way around.. That is the way it is supposed to be and it is meant to protect EVERYONE.If guilt is proven, then the guilty must pay.If Constitutional Rights are violated, the guilty could go free on a technicality.We don't want that for the children, do we?
The 2 courts most recent decisions proved things must be done properly, not improperly, just because the State of Texas and CPS does not like them.
This is a good example of precisely why the Constitution was written many years ago. Because even then, it was recognized that there was overstepping, abusive government that had to be kept in check in order to protect you, me and everyone else.
Don't get me wrong, I don't condone any abuses that may have taken place there and that pervert Warren Jeffs is behind bars where he belongs, for a very, very long time, hopefully.But no matter what people may think, the Constitutional Rights of the accused must be observed, or we end up with fiascos such as this.
Definately shoddy police work, every case is spoiled as it would be fruit of the tainted vine. Also we need to look at claims that certain laws have been changed since the FDLS moved to Texas, if they were it would show an ongoing pattern of persecution unfortunately. Polygamy should not be illegal but forced marriages are and have been for years now. Personally I don't understand why anyone would want to outnumber themselves lol.
Age of consent varies in the US from 14 to 18 sometimes depending on your partners age. In some countries its as low as 12 years old. Strange, why would anyone want a partner they have to completley train unless they cannot win someone who has experiance?
joy

Middleboro, MA

#7 May 31, 2008
Tex

Spring, TX

#8 May 31, 2008
They are not allowed to have sex for fun or pleasure according to the prophet's rules. It is only to be used to create pregnancies so that all those spirits floating around will have a body to inhabit. They believe if they don't have as many babies as possible that the spirits will go to evil homes. They have some unique ideas.

I don't understand why they can't wait until they are 18 and let them marry someone they are attracted to instead of being assigned.
rick

Phoenix, AZ

#9 May 31, 2008
Tex wrote:
They are not allowed to have sex for fun or pleasure according to the prophet's rules. It is only to be used to create pregnancies so that all those spirits floating around will have a body to inhabit. They believe if they don't have as many babies as possible that the spirits will go to evil homes. They have some unique ideas.
I don't understand why they can't wait until they are 18 and let them marry someone they are attracted to instead of being assigned.
That is not their religon however. I don't like it and in most places it is illegal. If they want that life style they should move to where it is legal.

“CPS Must Go.”

Since: Jan 08

United States

#10 May 31, 2008
Tex wrote:
They are not allowed to have sex for fun or pleasure according to the prophet's rules. It is only to be used to create pregnancies so that all those spirits floating around will have a body to inhabit. They believe if they don't have as many babies as possible that the spirits will go to evil homes. They have some unique ideas.
I don't understand why they can't wait until they are 18 and let them marry someone they are attracted to instead of being assigned.
Do you feel the same way about families from India? They live here too, you know?
We are such a multiculturistic accepting of everyone's lifestyle society, I fail to see the problem.

::RollsEyes::

“CPS Must Go.”

Since: Jan 08

United States

#11 May 31, 2008
someone who cares wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Tex, why don't you go back and really read ALL of our posts before you go issuing your opinions?
You're just mad because the CPS screwed up while bulldozing these people and now their whole case is screwed up.Because of the CPS and their trampling of the accused's Constitutional Rights, the responsible parties will more than likely go free because any evidence they obtained while making their illegal raid will now be thrown out as tainted.That's true justice for the kids, I say.(facetiously)
They should have done things the right way in the first place and they wouldn't be having it thrown in their faces now.They had that group under surveillance for at least 2 years and could not find probable cause to go in legally. They had to rely on an anonymous call from some nutcase with a history of making fake calls, to get their warrant.
Then, instead of doing so properly, they took every last one of those children, when they had absolutely no proof they were in immediate danger.. The Appeals and State Supreme courts set them straight and told them they were WRONG. They better think out any future strategy very thoroughly and lawfully before they pull anymore blunders.
Also, the facts must come out in the proper forum,the courts, not the media.They must be proven in a court of law, not tried in the media.
The truth is, the accused are presumed innocent until proven guilty, even though most of the time it is the other way around.. That is the way it is supposed to be and it is meant to protect EVERYONE.If guilt is proven, then the guilty must pay.If Constitutional Rights are violated, the guilty could go free on a technicality.We don't want that for the children, do we?
The 2 courts most recent decisions proved things must be done properly, not improperly, just because the State of Texas and CPS does not like them.
This is a good example of precisely why the Constitution was written many years ago. Because even then, it was recognized that there was overstepping, abusive government that had to be kept in check in order to protect you, me and everyone else.
Don't get me wrong, I don't condone any abuses that may have taken place there and that pervert Warren Jeffs is behind bars where he belongs, for a very, very long time, hopefully.But no matter what people may think, the Constitutional Rights of the accused must be observed, or we end up with fiascos such as this.
Thank you for restoring my faith that not all Americans are sheep. KUDO'S to ya.
joy

Middleboro, MA

#12 May 31, 2008
CpsHarmsKidz wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you feel the same way about families from India? They live here too, you know?
We are such a multiculturistic accepting of everyone's lifestyle society, I fail to see the problem.
::RollsEyes::
Yep, if the people from India don't like America and our laws they most certainly should go back, soon.
In other words Get Out We Don't Need Or Want You Here.
Like it or leave it.
joy

Middleboro, MA

#13 May 31, 2008
CpsHarmsKidz wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for restoring my faith that not all Americans are sheep. KUDO'S to ya.
There are enough of you Sheep for us. That's calling the kettle black isn't it? Ha Ha
someone who cares

Los Angeles, CA

#14 May 31, 2008
CpsHarmsKidz wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for restoring my faith that not all Americans are sheep. KUDO'S to ya.
Thank you. It just makes my blood boil when CPS and the government think they can just come in and steamroll over people like they do.I don't know about CPS, but the sheriff takes an oath to uphold the Constitution ; but it's just words that they parrot. It doesn't mean anything to them, as evidenced by the actions they take on a daily basis.

Well, I guess the courts had to slap them around a bit and put them in their place.
someone who cares

Los Angeles, CA

#15 Jun 1, 2008
CpsHarmsKidz wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for restoring my faith that not all Americans are sheep. KUDO'S to ya.
And while I'm on a roll, it was really disgusting how they came into the ranch like gangbusters, with armored personnel carriers and assault weapons. Like that was necessary?After having them under surveillance for at least 2 years, they knew darn good and well that the group did not have guns.But they came in like they did to show those people who was boss and as pure intimidation tactics.How does the CPS think those kids feel about all that? They were terrified and will never forget it. That was child abuse in itself, in my opinion.And then after that, being torn away from the only security they have ever known, flawed or not? It's absolutely disgusting and I'm so glad the courts called them on it! I hope it stung real good!
someone who cares

Los Angeles, CA

#16 Jun 1, 2008
someone who cares wrote:
<quoted text>
And while I'm on a roll, it was really disgusting how they came into the ranch like gangbusters, with armored personnel carriers and assault weapons. Like that was necessary?After having them under surveillance for at least 2 years, they knew darn good and well that the group did not have guns.But they came in like they did to show those people who was boss and as pure intimidation tactics.How does the CPS think those kids feel about all that? They were terrified and will never forget it. That was child abuse in itself, in my opinion.And then after that, being torn away from the only security they have ever known, flawed or not? It's absolutely disgusting and I'm so glad the courts called them on it! I hope it stung real good!
It looks like the court is dragging it's feet, stalling for time.Probably trying to dig up dirt to justify them not following the higher courts orders to return the children.Trust me, they are trying real hard.

“CPS Must Go.”

Since: Jan 08

United States

#17 Jun 2, 2008
joy wrote:
<quoted text>
There are enough of you Sheep for us. That's calling the kettle black isn't it? Ha Ha
I suppose you have a point there.

I have been sheepishly believing in a 200+ year old doctrine called the Constitution, when I guess I would be better served subscribing to the same commie bullshit that you do.

“CPS Must Go.”

Since: Jan 08

United States

#18 Jun 2, 2008
someone who cares wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you. It just makes my blood boil when CPS and the government think they can just come in and steamroll over people like they do.I don't know about CPS, but the sheriff takes an oath to uphold the Constitution ; but it's just words that they parrot. It doesn't mean anything to them, as evidenced by the actions they take on a daily basis.
Well, I guess the courts had to slap them around a bit and put them in their place.
I don't CPS takes an oath to anything, as they are nothing more than a quasi extention of who knows what.

According to the Texas Court of Appeals and the Texas Supreme Court, CPS doesn't even know what CPS is or what function they are suppose to perform.

“CPS Must Go.”

Since: Jan 08

United States

#19 Jun 2, 2008
joy wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, if the people from India don't like America and our laws they most certainly should go back, soon.
Why do you expect people from India to like our laws, but you don't expect the same from CPS?

You know, that agency that violated the 'laws of America' in conducting an ILLEGAL raid, resulting in ILLEGAL seizure of children?
hypocrite much?
someone who cares

Los Angeles, CA

#20 Jun 9, 2008

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