Feds favor Swain payout in 'Road to N...

Feds favor Swain payout in 'Road to Nowhere' case

There are 48 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Oct 2, 2007, titled Feds favor Swain payout in 'Road to Nowhere' case. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

The federal government has recommended a financial settlement to Swain County in lieu of building the North Shore Road, sometimes called "the Road to Nowhere," through the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

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swain native

United States

#46 Oct 30, 2007
Russell Breedlove wrote:
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When the townships were flooded, road bonds that were issued by them to pay for NC 288 went unpaid. Swain County took over repayment; in fact, Swain County went bankrupt paying off these bonds, and it took many years to recover from this. The $52 million settlement is to repay Swain Co. for this, by figuring how much money Swain Co. would have in 2001 with compounded interest had they not had to pay off these road bonds.
The settlers were paid for their land; whether the amount was fair is a moot point. Swain Co. is the injured party here, as decided by the Supreme Court.
I personally don't have any problem whatsoever with access being an integral part of the settlement, as long as it is in addition to the $52 million. That would require the road supporters to quit fighting a losing fight to get the road, and instead support a settlement with a proviso that access be guarenteed. Currently, access could be cut off at any time by the NPS.
I sincerely hope that road supporters will smarten up and look at the long term. Right now, they are aiming just to sabotage the settlement, which would leave us with nothing.
The 6000 people that were evicted from their homes couldn't pay off anything because they were HOMELESS !They scattered all across the USA.If the Government had built the road shortly after the war ended swain county wouldn't have been in double -digit unemployment all these years and we would have the acess to our heritage as promised.Our heritage does NOT have a price tag.WE will NEVER stop asking for the 1943 agreement to be honored !!The word INTEGRITY isn't used very much anymore.

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#47 Oct 30, 2007
Russell Breedlove wrote:
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When the townships were flooded, road bonds that were issued by them to pay for NC 288 went unpaid. Swain County took over repayment; in fact, Swain County went bankrupt paying off these bonds, and it took many years to recover from this. The $52 million settlement is to repay Swain Co. for this, by figuring how much money Swain Co. would have in 2001 with compounded interest had they not had to pay off these road bonds.
The settlers were paid for their land; whether the amount was fair is a moot point. Swain Co. is the injured party here, as decided by the Supreme Court.
I personally don't have any problem whatsoever with access being an integral part of the settlement, as long as it is in addition to the $52 million. That would require the road supporters to quit fighting a losing fight to get the road, and instead support a settlement with a proviso that access be guarenteed. Currently, access could be cut off at any time by the NPS.
I sincerely hope that road supporters will smarten up and look at the long term. Right now, they are aiming just to sabotage the settlement, which would leave us with nothing.
Who is 'us'?
As far as I can see, this is just a pay off. They would rather fork out money like this than honor their agreement.'Nothing' is what you have gotten all these years and now you have the proverbial carrot pinned with money being dangled in front of ya and it is folks like you who would sell out to the first bidder.
Henry Chambers

Dahlonega, GA

#48 Nov 12, 2007
There could not have been that much work or money to have built NC 288. It basically followed the path of Joseph Welch's Tollroad that had been built in the 1830's and taken over by Macon County in 1860. The primary costs would have been in any hard-surfacing of the road and I haven't seen any evidence of such being done on the sections that are now part of the 'Lakeshore Trail'.

I'm sorry Swain County was inconvinienced by having to repay the bonds. But, why? I'm sure the county had an attorney who should have sued TVA, the National Park, or the State to recoup any funds that should have been due the county.

And now, with that said, please explain to me why so many of the deeds between TVA and the relocated landowners were filed and later refiled a second time.

And when you get the time, look at the revenue projections for some of the federally designated 'Scenic Byways' and compare FHWA's projections against those shown in the NPS EIS....
Russell Breedlove wrote:
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When the townships were flooded, road bonds that were issued by them to pay for NC 288 went unpaid. Swain County took over repayment; in fact, Swain County went bankrupt paying off these bonds, and it took many years to recover from this. The $52 million settlement is to repay Swain Co. for this, by figuring how much money Swain Co. would have in 2001 with compounded interest had they not had to pay off these road bonds.
The settlers were paid for their land; whether the amount was fair is a moot point. Swain Co. is the injured party here, as decided by the Supreme Court.
I personally don't have any problem whatsoever with access being an integral part of the settlement, as long as it is in addition to the $52 million. That would require the road supporters to quit fighting a losing fight to get the road, and instead support a settlement with a proviso that access be guarenteed. Currently, access could be cut off at any time by the NPS.
I sincerely hope that road supporters will smarten up and look at the long term. Right now, they are aiming just to sabotage the settlement, which would leave us with nothing.
john ensley

Jacksboro, TN

#49 Feb 17, 2008
Russell Breedlove wrote:
Mr. Calhoun,
I respect your desire to honor your ancestors lying peacefully up in the North Shore area, but unfortunately the cemeteries have nothing to do with this issue. The 1943 agreement doesn't even mention cemeteries; also in 1943, anyone who desired it could have their loved ones' remains moved to a location that was readily accessible. Cemeteries were brought up in 1980 or so by the North Shore Road Assoc. to publicize their agenda of getting the road built. Since then, it has been repeated so many times that some people have come to believe the Agreement promised access to the cemeteries. This is not true.
A friend of mine, who is a surveyor, once took a look at the maps of the cemeteries in the North Shore area, and compared them to the proposed route of the North Shore road. There are, by the Park Servive documents, approximately 87 known cemetery locations on the North Shore. Of these cemeteries, only 10 or so would be made comfortably accessible from the proposed road, and that is making a big assumption that parking lots would be provided for access(there is NO parking lot provided for the one cemetery on the lake side of the existing road). If the road were constructed in such a way as to provide access to all the cemeteries on the North Shore, the road would not be 30 miles long, but approx. 90 miles long. And if someone says only provide access to the big cemeteries, how fair is that? Why are the ancestors lying in one cemetery more important than the ones in another cemetery?
From the way some of the road supporters talk, someone could drive right up to "the cemetery", park their car, and get out for a short walk to their loved ones' grave. Folks, quit fooling yourselves. This is a national park, owned by the people of the United States. It may lie in Swain County, but we have no special claim to the land, nor can we dictate to the Park Service how the land is to be used. By hook or crook, we no longer own the land....and we ain't getting it back.
Shoulda, shouda, shouda. Yes, the road should have been built back in the 40's like it was promised. But it wasn't, and building it is no longer possible. It doesn't matter how wrong that is, or how badly people were mistreated, or how many broken promises were made. The reality is, there will be no North Shore Road. The only possible good thing that can come out of this is a cash settlement. Or nothing at all.
russell, you make me sick. Screw all you dollar mongers
Hazelcreek

United States

#50 Feb 18, 2008
john ensley wrote:
<quoted text>russell, you make me sick. Screw all you dollar mongers
russell has to protect his "professional " leader Leonardo Winchester to whom he owes lunch money.
Gooch

United States

#51 Feb 18, 2008
that fuauking road shall never be built!
Russell Breedlove

United States

#52 Feb 18, 2008
To John Ensley-
If you could offer something other than hate, rudeness, and general bad manners I might take you and others like you seriously. If actions like this, and other actions such as some of the road supporters have done in the past are the best you can offer, I hereby disassociate myself from you and your twisted sense of "mountain values". Those aren't mountain values, they're just hatefulness. Settlement folk like myself have been nothing but polite to you, while enduring insults from small minded people such as yourself. You and the road supporters have lost much of the sympathy you once had because of your rudeness and childish behavior.
To Hazelcreek-
Leonard needs no protection. He had the courage and the foresight to understand a long time ago that the road would never be built and to take action to see that Swain County got some benefit out of this debacle (look it up). There are many people who worked hard to get results. Leonard would be the first to tell you that. And yes, I owe Leonard and those others a debt, as does all of Swain County. I'm proud to have worked with him on this. And Ms. Hazelcreek, you can see my reply to Mr. Ensley above. The same comments about childishness, rudeness, and small-mindedness apply to you.
Virginia Haynes

Raleigh, NC

#53 Jul 2, 2008
If our government won't honor their agreement why should our childern.

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