All that study money could have benef...

All that study money could have benefited Swain

There are 11 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Oct 19, 2007, titled All that study money could have benefited Swain. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I find it interesting that the news of the resolution of the North Shore road in Swain County was page 4 news.

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Mike Clampitt

United States

#1 Oct 20, 2007
Ms. Fisher,
Once again misinformation about the North Shore Road issue surfaces and precieved as fact. The orginal $16 million that Mr. Taylor did secure for this road was intended by Congress "for construction and improvements" to complete additional construction of the road. Thanks to requirements by the Federal government and opponets to the road $10 million was spent (wasted) on "Enviormental Impact Study", not a preliminary but also a final study. Having reviewed both studies, there is nothing in them other than positve economic impacts to Swain and GRAHAM counties. The study also advises "of no adverse impacts" to the asetic or physical impairments to the Appalachain Trail or other scenic areas. Let me ask you something here: "Do you enjoy the scenic views of a vehicle drive thru the Blue Ridge Parkway, Cheokee Foothills Parkway, or #441 from Cherokee to Gatlinburg????If you answer "yes", you are a closet road supporter. Come over sometime and enjoy the only 7 miles that have been completed, then think out of the box,(if you can)imagine how wonderful it would to be able to drive all the way to Deals Gap, TN.
swain native

United States

#2 Oct 20, 2007
Mike Clampitt wrote:
Ms. Fisher,
Once again misinformation about the North Shore Road issue surfaces and precieved as fact. The orginal $16 million that Mr. Taylor did secure for this road was intended by Congress "for construction and improvements" to complete additional construction of the road. Thanks to requirements by the Federal government and opponets to the road $10 million was spent (wasted) on "Enviormental Impact Study", not a preliminary but also a final study. Having reviewed both studies, there is nothing in them other than positve economic impacts to Swain and GRAHAM counties. The study also advises "of no adverse impacts" to the asetic or physical impairments to the Appalachain Trail or other scenic areas. Let me ask you something here: "Do you enjoy the scenic views of a vehicle drive thru the Blue Ridge Parkway, Cheokee Foothills Parkway, or #441 from Cherokee to Gatlinburg????If you answer "yes", you are a closet road supporter. Come over sometime and enjoy the only 7 miles that have been completed, then think out of the box,(if you can)imagine how wonderful it would to be able to drive all the way to Deals Gap, TN.
WELL STATED Mr CLAMPITT !

“BEAT A PAIR OF JACK'S & A FOX ”

Since: Feb 07

ASHEVILLE

#3 Oct 20, 2007
Jane:
What difference does it make to you what happens to the road to no where. It appears you are an Asheville resident.
smokies

United States

#4 Oct 20, 2007
Charles Taylor doesn't own property in Swain County.

However, since Taylor is a republican that DOES make him a corrupt racist.(Of course that goes without saying.)
Henry Chambers

Dawsonville, GA

#5 Oct 22, 2007
Why is the focus on Swain County? It should be on the interests of the families that were forced to move from the 'North Shore', a lot who moved outside of Swain County.

I am against any settlement with anyone that does not provide access for these families and their friends to the old communities, homeplaces, and cemeteries they were forced to give up. Access also needs to include provisions for those who are not physically able to walk some of the long distances to the cemeteries.
Russell Breedlove

United States

#6 Oct 23, 2007
Henry Chambers wrote:
Why is the focus on Swain County? It should be on the interests of the families that were forced to move from the 'North Shore', a lot who moved outside of Swain County.
I am against any settlement with anyone that does not provide access for these families and their friends to the old communities, homeplaces, and cemeteries they were forced to give up. Access also needs to include provisions for those who are not physically able to walk some of the long distances to the cemeteries.
The National Park Service has already committed to providing access via boat/van periodically to any and all that sign up for it.
Unfortunately, once the land was placed in the park, the former residents have no special claim to the land. For an example, look at the native Americans. I find arrowheads in my yard sometimes, proving that they were residents of that land in the past. Does that give them special claims to my land?
The Agreement of 1943 was between the State of NC, the National Park Service, TVA, and Swain County to build a road to replace flooded NC288. No promises in writing were given to displaced persons, nor was any displaced person a signatory to, nor a special beneficiary of the agreement. They were paid for their property, fairly or unfairly. That was THEIR contract with the government. The contract with Swain County was just about replacing a flooded road. Nothing more, nothing less.
Since the road WILL NOT BE BUILT, regardless of right or wrong, road supporters are only hurting themselves, as well as the rest of Swain County, by continuing to fight.
Henry Chambers

Montezuma, GA

#7 Oct 23, 2007
Do you have any relatives buried on the North Shore? Can you walk without any physical limitations? Can you visit your buried relatives whenever you should want to? Where you there when they were told it was their 'patriotic duty' to give up their lands for the war effort......no mention of it becoming part of the National Park?
Russell Breedlove wrote:
<quoted text>
The National Park Service has already committed to providing access via boat/van periodically to any and all that sign up for it.
Unfortunately, once the land was placed in the park, the former residents have no special claim to the land. For an example, look at the native Americans. I find arrowheads in my yard sometimes, proving that they were residents of that land in the past. Does that give them special claims to my land?
The Agreement of 1943 was between the State of NC, the National Park Service, TVA, and Swain County to build a road to replace flooded NC288. No promises in writing were given to displaced persons, nor was any displaced person a signatory to, nor a special beneficiary of the agreement. They were paid for their property, fairly or unfairly. That was THEIR contract with the government. The contract with Swain County was just about replacing a flooded road. Nothing more, nothing less.
Since the road WILL NOT BE BUILT, regardless of right or wrong, road supporters are only hurting themselves, as well as the rest of Swain County, by continuing to fight.
Bryson City native

AOL

#8 Oct 24, 2007
Russell Breedlove wrote:
<quoted text>
The National Park Service has already committed to providing access via boat/van periodically to any and all that sign up for it.
Unfortunately, once the land was placed in the park, the former residents have no special claim to the land. For an example, look at the native Americans. I find arrowheads in my yard sometimes, proving that they were residents of that land in the past. Does that give them special claims to my land?
The Agreement of 1943 was between the State of NC, the National Park Service, TVA, and Swain County to build a road to replace flooded NC288. No promises in writing were given to displaced persons, nor was any displaced person a signatory to, nor a special beneficiary of the agreement. They were paid for their property, fairly or unfairly. That was THEIR contract with the government. The contract with Swain County was just about replacing a flooded road. Nothing more, nothing less.
Since the road WILL NOT BE BUILT, regardless of right or wrong, road supporters are only hurting themselves, as well as the rest of Swain County, by continuing to fight.
Russell, Russell, if you ever pay attention, you will see that the Park service is now putting restrictions on how many people they will allow to go see the cemeteries. I think this last time, they informed the Cemetery people they will accomodate only "13" or so, limits. I think the government ought to take your land away from you and pay you a few dollars for it, way below the value, then lie to you and put it in the park and tell you your views don't matter, as "we" want this to happen. Tell you to get over it and move on. Better yet, maybe they should tell you they are going to flood the road to your family's cemetery and time is of essense so they can't let you relocate the graves then only let you go there one day per year only if no one else wants to go there before their accomodation limit fills up. Of course the North Shore Road people were treated much worse than that even. The point is, maybe the government should steal your land, lie to you and then pay someone else "settlement" money and say they did right by you.
Anyway, you just don't get it. I guess you and the "settlement" crowd have dollar marks in your eyes.... I guess they are looking around to see whose relative they can "buy" land from at a huge cost to pad their pockets as they have before. Who cares about the economic situation in Swain County? Maybe next they'll be saying, "Oh, they have no bread? Well let them eat cake instead."
Who cares that they are selling our county out for a pithing? Obviously not the commissioners (except for Monteith, he is the only one with good sense there). Who cares that the government owns 86% of our land and that we need more jobs... which the road would provide? Who cares about Swain County's beautiful culture heritage and that that is being swept under the rug? Obviously not the likes of you and the money hungry settlement folks. Shame on you!
Nancy from Swain County

United States

#9 Oct 24, 2007
CJOHNNY wrote:
Jane:
What difference does it make to you what happens to the road to no where. It appears you are an Asheville resident.
Actually, Mike Clampitt is from Swain. I am from Swain. I do not know why it lists us from other areas - it is probably something to do with the servers.
Nancy from Swain County

United States

#10 Oct 24, 2007
smokies wrote:
Charles Taylor doesn't own property in Swain County.
However, since Taylor is a republican that DOES make him a corrupt racist.(Of course that goes without saying.)
If you are trying to pose an argument that all republicans are racist and corrupt, do it in another forum. You do not know what you are talking about. Charles Taylor is an honorable Christian man, not corrupt or racist.
Russell Breedlove

United States

#11 Oct 26, 2007
Bryson City native wrote:
<quoted text>
Russell, Russell, if you ever pay attention, you will see that the Park service is now putting restrictions on how many people they will allow to go see the cemeteries. I think this last time, they informed the Cemetery people they will accomodate only "13" or so, limits. I think the government ought to take your land away from you and pay you a few dollars for it, way below the value, then lie to you and put it in the park and tell you your views don't matter, as "we" want this to happen. Tell you to get over it and move on. Better yet, maybe they should tell you they are going to flood the road to your family's cemetery and time is of essense so they can't let you relocate the graves then only let you go there one day per year only if no one else wants to go there before their accomodation limit fills up. Of course the North Shore Road people were treated much worse than that even. The point is, maybe the government should steal your land, lie to you and then pay someone else "settlement" money and say they did right by you.
Anyway, you just don't get it. I guess you and the "settlement" crowd have dollar marks in your eyes.... I guess they are looking around to see whose relative they can "buy" land from at a huge cost to pad their pockets as they have before. Who cares about the economic situation in Swain County? Maybe next they'll be saying, "Oh, they have no bread? Well let them eat cake instead."
Who cares that they are selling our county out for a pithing? Obviously not the commissioners (except for Monteith, he is the only one with good sense there). Who cares that the government owns 86% of our land and that we need more jobs... which the road would provide? Who cares about Swain County's beautiful culture heritage and that that is being swept under the rug? Obviously not the likes of you and the money hungry settlement folks. Shame on you!
Well, you've managed to touch every topic in Swain County there. Access to the cemeteries via boat and van is currently up the the NPS, and is not guarenteed by anything in writing. If the folk who really want access to the cemeteries want this to be available to them as long as they want it, they should stop fighting the settlement and get this access guarenteed as part of the settlement. Then they have something in writing. If they continue to agitate, the result will be: no road, no settlement, and no access.
As far as the settlement vs. road and the economic benefits, I refer you to the following article:
http://www.thesmokymountaintimes.com/articles...
I've heard about all the "lining the pockets" crap that I can stand. If anyone bothers to look at the actual proposed settlement, as opposed to whatever imaginary settlement they have been told about, they will see that:
1) The $52 million goes into the bank, and CANNOT BE TOUCHED.
2) The County will get around $2.5 million per year, every year, forever
3) The Commissioners will be in charge of spending the money. If you don't like the bums in office now, throw those bums out and put your own bums in!

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