Rules are rules, judges say in reducing absentee votes

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TPaws Conscience

Saint Paul, MN

#21 Feb 14, 2009
GDP wrote:
"Persuading the court to open and count rejected absentee ballots is a key facet of Coleman's argument that Democrat Al Franken's 225-vote lead is wrong. In addition to the rejected absentee ballots, which Coleman says were held to different standards by elections officials in different counties, his case also relies on his contention that ballots were double-counted during the recount"
Pioneer Press - why don't you explain why they are taking approach???? If rejected absentee ballots with the same data attributes were NOT treated in same manner across precints, the voters rights have been violated under the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Similarly, if the some votes were double counted, they need to argue the same rule applies. The inconsistent election judge decision is key and the courts decision to exclude and/or rule against this if substantiated is grounds for appeal.
Then you will join the Secretary of State in his efforts to make absentee balloting much more easy and accessible? Or are you a late comer like Norm to the "enfranchise everyone" bandwagon? Just looking for hypocrites.

“We're All In This Together.”

Since: Jun 08

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#22 Feb 14, 2009
Sounds like Norm took it in the shorts on this ruling. Thank goodness these judges can see through the stall tactics the Coleman lawyers are using.
Mohamed

Minneapolis, MN

#23 Feb 14, 2009
We need to keep all of these technical things as present. In this way, we can contest outcomes and drag things out for years if necessary to achieve our desired result. Also, we can simply sue. Lawyers and politicians are one of the same. So, they know about this. Amen.
Troll Alert

Saint Paul, MN

#24 Feb 14, 2009
Mohamed wrote:
We need to keep all of these technical things as present. In this way, we can contest outcomes and drag things out for years if necessary to achieve our desired result. Also, we can simply sue. Lawyers and politicians are one of the same. So, they know about this. Amen.
Troll
lonso

Saint Paul, MN

#25 Feb 14, 2009
Why can't they both just declare defeat and go away, until someone with at least one working brain cell can be put in office??
fair and balanced

AOL

#26 Feb 14, 2009
The judges did the right thing, you must follow the rules even if you are a repubican. Seat Al now!!!
Tony Spadafora

Marshall, MN

#27 Feb 15, 2009
At their best, our election and our recount systems are not capable of the kind of accuracy needed to determine who really won the Coleman / Franken / Barkley senate race.

Adding subjective decisions that are not uniformally made and there's less cause to trust whatever the courts rule on the matter.

At this point only a runoff election between Coleman & Franken can give us a winner we can all agree upon.

Where did commonsense go?
Baby Ray Ray

AOL

#28 Feb 15, 2009
The rules need to be tight and it is too bad the DFL refuses to pass laws requiring an ID. Now we need to get rid of this "we have to determine intent" foolishness and outlaw groups such as ACORN
Baby Ray Ray

AOL

#29 Feb 15, 2009
fair and balanced wrote:
The judges did the right thing, you must follow the rules even if you are a repubican. Seat Al now!!!
That works for leftist "Democrats" to, you know. Especially their PAC ACORN that seems to be everywhere carrying out voter registration fraud
GDP

Plymouth, MN

#30 Feb 15, 2009
TPaws Conscience wrote:
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Then you will join the Secretary of State in his efforts to make absentee balloting much more easy and accessible? Or are you a late comer like Norm to the "enfranchise everyone" bandwagon? Just looking for hypocrites.
No, just trying to follow the rule of law. You know, that roadblock you call the Constitution.
The Rad Rethuglican

Minneapolis, MN

#31 Feb 15, 2009
GDP wrote:
Pioneer Press - why don't you explain why they are taking approach???? If rejected absentee ballots with the same data attributes were NOT treated in same manner across precints, the voters rights have been violated under the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Similarly, if the some votes were double counted, they need to argue the same rule applies. The inconsistent election judge decision is key and the courts decision to exclude and/or rule against this if substantiated is grounds for appeal.
It sounds like you want the Court to reverse the certified vote totals because you don't think the Pioneer Presspatch is properly explaining Coleman's specious and speculative excuse for legal arguments. That's not the newspaper's job, it's the job of Coleman's lawyers and they're doing it poorly.

Listening to Ben (Escapee From the House of Wax) Ginsberg constantly babbling about the unproven theory of inconsistent treatment of twice-previously-rejected absentee ballots with similar "data attributes" (?) is nothing other than rather foul hot air being delivered by a creepy countenance.

This one ballot at a time approach, just to create a massive, amoeba-like blob of evidence without meaning, looks to a lot of people, including the judges, as nothing more than a weak and inconclusive attempt to imply Coleman's own SUBJECTIVE interpretation of inconsistency.

Rules are rules. What part of that is so hard to understand for Norm and his band of hired advocates for the dubious proposition of an "artificial lead" held by Senator Elect Franken. The fact Franken has won the recount is not artificial.

IF Coleman's lawyers have proof of substantive inconsistent treatment that is material to that issue, then PRESENT THE EVIDENCE that is proof and let the Court decide.

Add a few more previously rejected absentee ballots if you will, to both sides, but as Rethuglican icon Larry the Cable Guy likes to put it, "Let's git ur done!"
Latte Liberal

Minneapolis, MN

#32 Feb 15, 2009
Baby Ray Ray wrote:
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That works for leftist "Democrats" to, you know. Especially their PAC ACORN that seems to be everywhere carrying out voter registration fraud
Actually, Baby, Oh Baby, the only _PROVEN_ instances of voter [registration] fraud in this election came from the other (that'd be Republican, if you are keeping track) side:
1) What the convicted pedophile Republican Eric S Willems voted for the FORMER Sen. Norm Coleman( http://www.startribune.com/politics/37219649.... )
AND
2) When all those Coleman voters, who have been sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth testified on the stand during the Court Contest that
a) it was their girlfriend who fraudulently signed the absentee ballot application or that
b) the voter did not sign the application physically in ink, but rather used a pc mouse.
And, of course, all those voters who voted in person whose absentee votes FORMER Sen. Coleman would like to double count (as long as they are for him, that is.)
Hope that clears things up on the issue of voter [registration] fraud in 2008, Baby. It's been the Republicans. Are you as indignant as I am? I bet you are! Carry on!
~ Latte
The Rad Rethuglican

Minneapolis, MN

#33 Feb 15, 2009
Latte Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, Baby, Oh Baby, the only _PROVEN_ instances of voter [registration] fraud in this election came from the other (that'd be Republican, if you are keeping track) side:
1) What the convicted pedophile Republican Eric S Willems voted for the FORMER Sen. Norm Coleman( http://www.startribune.com/politics/37219649.... )
AND
2) When all those Coleman voters, who have been sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth testified on the stand during the Court Contest that
a) it was their girlfriend who fraudulently signed the absentee ballot application or that
b) the voter did not sign the application physically in ink, but rather used a pc mouse.
And, of course, all those voters who voted in person whose absentee votes FORMER Sen. Coleman would like to double count (as long as they are for him, that is.)
Hope that clears things up on the issue of voter [registration] fraud in 2008, Baby. It's been the Republicans. Are you as indignant as I am? I bet you are! Carry on!
~ Latte
Hey, be careful with those extra shots!
Carl

Cottage Grove, MN

#34 Feb 16, 2009
Rules are rules until they're not rules. That's what the recount is all about. The reader didn't read your ballot, it doesn't count, until it does. Etc. Mush everything up enough, Big Al wins.
Latte Liberal

Minneapolis, MN

#35 Feb 16, 2009
Carl wrote:
Rules are rules until they're not rules. That's what the recount is all about. The reader didn't read your ballot, it doesn't count, until it does. Etc. Mush everything up enough, Big Al wins.
Well, that's a valid opinion. Of course, it is completely divorced from reality and cannot be substantiated by facts, but hey, sometimes reality is just plain wrong!

Carl, here're some interesting facts:
1) The recount was mandated under our state law for an election this close. That rule existed.
2) Under those rules we have a hand recount, where even those ballots not read by the optical scanner, are counted if the voter intent could be discerned. Again, existing rule.
3) There are other relevant existing rules, but something tells me you are not the kind of guy to let mere facts stand in the way of a good diatribe. Am I right or am I right? Carry on,

~ Latte

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