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Franken-Coleman race: Number of Senate ballots to be reviewed s...

There are 33 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Apr 6, 2009, titled Franken-Coleman race: Number of Senate ballots to be reviewed s.... In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

In the U.S. Senate race, the three judges will have fewer absentee ballots to examine than they had thought.

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“What's Up YO”

Since: Mar 09

Everywhere

#1 Apr 6, 2009
big deal
kwoods

Bemidji, MN

#2 Apr 6, 2009
Coleman will need to appeal this wrongful setback which can easily be transformed into a win for Coleman.
The Big Bopper

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Apr 6, 2009
Is this STILL going on?
The Independent Voter

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Apr 6, 2009
slickleg wrote:
big deal
Exactly!
Vikings Fan

Rochester, MN

#5 Apr 6, 2009
The election was stolen when the recount was done. Franken is a complete idiot. He will fit in with the rest of them in D.C. Go Vikings!
stinamond5

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Apr 6, 2009
being independent all my life,I don't think I could vote for former Sen. Coleman or any of his ilk again in my lifetime. The current republican party consists of religious goofballs and racists. Far cry from a once grand old party.

“Puppet At State Fair”

Since: Mar 09

Nowthen, MN

#7 Apr 6, 2009
Does the 389 number include that group of Franken voters who filed their own separate lawsuit to get their votes counted? I believe there were about 40 of them.
Jude

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Apr 6, 2009
THE Radest Rethuglican wrote:
Does the 389 number include that group of Franken voters who filed their own separate lawsuit to get their votes counted? I believe there were about 40 of them.
Yes
Chip

Cypress, TX

#9 Apr 6, 2009
The math works against Coleman any way you slice it. Up to now, absentee ballots counted show at best a dead heat between Coleman and Franken, and perhaps a slight advantage to Franken. The uncounted absentee ballots are numerous enough they should be expected to closely obey the general statistics of those already counted, it doesn't matter whether 387 or the original 11000 of them are counted - Norm Coleman will lose. His only hope was to be able to convince the judges to consider those ballots most likely to be friendly to him- and skew the statistics in this fashion.

His lawyers' contention that they want all the votes to be counted is disengenous, at best. Their only hope was to count a seriously skewed subset of previously rejected absentee ballots. I guarantee they would not welcome an order from the MN Supreme Court to count all the disallowed absentee ballots!

Franken must have a statistician on his team - that's why they only took a few days for their side of the case, and focused on select specific cases of votes that didn't get counted - particularly those of voters that would likely have been friendly to him.
Shack in TX

Plano, TX

#10 Apr 6, 2009
Keep Fighting Norm! The longer you can keep the rest of the U.S. citizens away from Franken the better. Not that we want you around either!
BikerSnob

Saint Paul, MN

#12 Apr 6, 2009
Considering that the average life span of a fruit fly is 96 days, everyone who voted for Coleman should be dead by now.
Jude

Minneapolis, MN

#13 Apr 6, 2009
Chip wrote:
The math works against Coleman any way you slice it. Up to now, absentee ballots counted show at best a dead heat between Coleman and Franken, and perhaps a slight advantage to Franken.
Chip actually the evidence suggests a strong bias in Franken's favor. That is the irony of Coleman's whole case. The more absentees counted the bigger Franken's lead will be. Unless Coleman gets to pick just what ballots to count which was never going to happen.

Lets look at the evidence we have.
Pre-Election polls had Norm up around 4%. Those same polls had Al winning the absentee vote by 10%.
The one time we can absolutely have a pure absentee count (jan 3rd) Franken did much better then expectations. 187 of 933. Coleman came back with the argument that the count favored Franken precincts 60-40%. You would have to take that 20% difference entirely from Franken just to get a tie. That would mean Al got 100% of the vote in those cases. Sorry that just didn't happen.

So we have one data point that confirms at least a 10% lean for Al with absentee votes. If tomorrow does not reverse that Norm's further arguments make no practical sense even if they have some tenuous legal relevance.
This and that

Fargo, ND

#15 Apr 6, 2009
Jude wrote:
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Chip actually the evidence suggests a strong bias in Franken's favor. That is the irony of Coleman's whole case. The more absentees counted the bigger Franken's lead will be. Unless Coleman gets to pick just what ballots to count which was never going to happen.
Lets look at the evidence we have.
Pre-Election polls had Norm up around 4%. Those same polls had Al winning the absentee vote by 10%.
The one time we can absolutely have a pure absentee count (jan 3rd) Franken did much better then expectations. 187 of 933. Coleman came back with the argument that the count favored Franken precincts 60-40%. You would have to take that 20% difference entirely from Franken just to get a tie. That would mean Al got 100% of the vote in those cases. Sorry that just didn't happen.
So we have one data point that confirms at least a 10% lean for Al with absentee votes. If tomorrow does not reverse that Norm's further arguments make no practical sense even if they have some tenuous legal relevance.
I think you're on to something Jude. The judges just threw out 14 absentee ballots because these ballots had already been counted. Given the fact that so many ballots were tossed out because of infractions, I just don't see how Coleman is going to win this election. Even if all the ballots eventually get counted, the race is still going to be a dead heat, and Coleman is already 225 votes behind.
john

New York, NY

#16 Apr 6, 2009
Vikings Fan wrote:
The election was stolen when the recount was done. Franken is a complete idiot. He will fit in with the rest of them in D.C. Go Vikings!
This recount is a godsend for those of us who are thoroughly enjoying watching these right wingers SQUIRM!!!!!!!
GO SENATOR FRANKEN!!!
Jimmy the greek is back

United States

#17 Apr 6, 2009
It's time for good ole'Norm to go away now, face it Norm, you lost!
No more perks for Normie, I think that is what he more mad about then anything. He will actually have to work for a living now, his wife won't be getting paid a six figure salary for being a sectary! No more great golf vacations or free Alaska trips for you!!!
Now go away loser!
kwoods

Bemidji, MN

#18 Apr 6, 2009
Jude, Chip, and This and that,
Yah, Sure, Yabetcha, That's why Rad, hudaful, Latte have spent the better part of three weeks arguing furiously to ensure the ballots are not counted.

Since: Feb 09

Stillwater

#19 Apr 6, 2009
phantom poster kwoods wrote:
Jude, Chip, and This and that, Yah, Sure, Yabetcha, That's why Rad, hudaful, Latte have spent the better part of three weeks arguing furiously to ensure the ballots are not counted.
phantom poster kwoods lies.
phantom poster kwoods spent the better part of the last several week in a Stalin-like bunker of denial.
phantom poster kwoods knows that his candidate lost and has been actively arguing for invalidating Dinkytown ballots and disenfranchising voter.
phantom poster kwoods assertions and claims have been summarily debunked by multiple posters.
phantom poster kwoods has been requested to answer several questions on multiple occasions, but as phantom poster kwoods has no answers, his choice has been to ignore the questions and to insult the poster.
phantom poster kwoods has zero credibility.
even phantom poster kwoods' readers are bitterly disappointed.
But phantom poster kwoods shall carry on!
~ Latte
Jude

Minneapolis, MN

#20 Apr 6, 2009
kwoods wrote:
Jude, Chip, and This and that,
Yah, Sure, Yabetcha, That's why Rad, hudaful, Latte have spent the better part of three weeks arguing furiously to ensure the ballots are not counted.
K, begin to face the facts. It was Franken who from the beginning fought to get absentees counted. The MNSC came up with their ruling and most of those that could be counted were counted. After that it was all stalling on Coleman's part.

We will know tomorrow if the Coleman argument has any practical value.

Unequal treatment of absentees is written into the law. If only in with the allowance of Ballot Boards who may have access to the statewide voter database and precincts who don't.
hmmm

Saint Paul, MN

#21 Apr 6, 2009
Does it really matter who gets the seat? The Dems and the GOP are two sides of the same coin. Both are all about keeping lobbyists and the business class happy. Norm will go which ever way the wind blows and Franken will go which ever way Israel blows. So - whatever. I'll go about building my root cellar, paying off my house and getting ready for when we become the Argentina of the north (if we are that lucky).

Since: Feb 09

Stillwater

#22 Apr 6, 2009
THE Radest Rethuglican wrote:
Does the 389 number include that group of Franken voters who filed their own separate lawsuit to get their votes counted? I believe there were about 40 of them.
Rad,
At the risk of disagreeing with Judy, I'd say most, but not all. According to TomTech's (dailykos and theuptake, and Tom has been meticulous about monitoring the ECC proceedings in RT and taped; I've had some minor issues with his extrapolations, but his facts are dead on) analysis:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/1/709907... .

36 of the nearly 50 Nauen voters are represented in the 387 that will be examined tomorrow. The link, and the more recent one from yesterday are a pretty good read as far as the overall ballot distribution, and how the ECC bent over backwards to accommodate Coleman's attorneys' case.

~ LL

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