Sonoma County CA separates elderly ga...

Sonoma County CA separates elderly gay couple and sells all their posessions

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There is nothing more personal than how we wish to spend our final years. After decades with our loved ones there should be no dispute that we should get to spend our final moments together.

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“Down To Earth”

Since: Apr 07

Indianapolis

#94 Apr 21, 2010
Greg Spaulding wrote:
There have been a flurry of postings online that indicate an elderly couple was treated inhumanly by the County of Sonoma, but few people have questioned where this report came from, or whether there was another side to the story.
This is precisely why I've taken this entire story with a grain of salt.

A Sheriff’s Office report of an April 2008 incident in which Scull was injured was not made available by either side in the case.

I'll reserve my outrage until that report is made public, but if it proves to be a false claim by Sonoma County, hell hath no fury...
Kelli Williams

Coram, NY

#95 Apr 21, 2010
No Mr. Spaulding that is not a New York Times story but a post on their blog. And it doesn't agree with your claims it quotes a reputable civil rights lawyer representing Clay Greene pointing out that your County officials did nothing to follow up on your bogus domestic abuse claims because there was no evidence.
Why did County Officials confiscate Mr. Greene's clothes and vehicle if not to isolate him? If there was domestic abuse why didn't you prosecute it in the last two years and why isn't there a police report? Do you normally confiscate all personal property in domestic abuse cases? Why did County officials wander through the home picking out items they wanted? Why did you dispose of the couple's pet cats? Why is the estate of Howard Scull a party in the lawsuit against you?
Sonoma County needs to do the right thing and instead of waging a smear campaign you need to pay back every cent your officials stole from these men. Otherwise Sonoma County is looking at a massive LGBT and ally boycott of Sonoma wines and Sonoma County as a travel destination.
We see you Mr. Spaulding. Thousands of us will be there at the court trial. We are watching what you do and you speak ill of the dead.

“Just saying....”

Since: Dec 08

Denver

#96 Apr 21, 2010
My heart goes out to this couple.

“Choose wisely!”

Since: Jul 07

Los Angeles

#97 Apr 22, 2010
DCinNJ wrote:
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Your right. This could have happened to a heterosexual couple who lived together as man and wife for 20 years but never legally married.
Somehow, I doubt that. In fact I'll go so far as to say that the probability of this happening to a heterosexual couple, is beyond insignificant.

I base that on history and the facts therein.

Eric

“Choose wisely!”

Since: Jul 07

Los Angeles

#98 Apr 22, 2010
Greg Spaulding wrote:
There have been a flurry of postings online that indicate an elderly couple was treated inhumanly by the County of Sonoma, but few people have questioned where this report came from, or whether there was another side to the story.
It appears that the Plaintiffs in this lawsuit are trying to litigate this case through the internet– trying to spin the case as one of insensitivity towards people who are gay by County Staff. In fact, this case is really about domestic violence and the statutory obligation the County has to protect vulnerable individuals from abuse and harm.
The Sonoma County Public Guardian became involved in this matter as a result of a report from Harold Scull that Clay Greene had physically assaulted him, resulting in Mr. Scull's hospitalization. Mr. Greene's domestic violence against Mr. Scull has been independently verified during the course of litigation, including reports of witnesses who tended to Mr. Scull following his hospitalization.
The people involved have been vilified online. We are confident that the facts will show that the services received by Mr. Scull and Mr. Greene reflect the ongoing commitment to protect vulnerable citizens from harm and that no issues of discrimination were present
The heart of this case is protecting an elder victim of domestic violence. That’s why the Public Guardian’s Office took the actions it did. The County has a long history of taking a strong stand against domestic violence.
If you are interested in hearing another side to this story, I hope you will take a look at a NY Times story at: http://nyti.ms/bu8QDq . Or better yet, wait until the facts can be disclosed in trial.
Litigation only happens in the Courts! Where is your proof or documentation supporting the claim of domestic abuse? Why has it taken 2 years to resolve? Why only when one of the couple ended up in the hospital, was action taken? Why take only some items from the home? Why seize the house and all assets? Why sell some of those assets?

There is nothing in this case thus far revealed, that shows anything but the Nurse, the Hospital and the County violating the legal documentation that existed between these men, documentation that was LEGALLY SANCTIONED by the State of California!

The County of Sonoma acted wrongfully and needs to either come forth with its evidence or drop this matter, admit its error and make adequate recompense.

Eric

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#99 Apr 22, 2010
gemelk wrote:
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Litigation only happens in the Courts! Where is your proof or documentation supporting the claim of domestic abuse? Why has it taken 2 years to resolve? Why only when one of the couple ended up in the hospital, was action taken? Why take only some items from the home? Why seize the house and all assets? Why sell some of those assets?
There is nothing in this case thus far revealed, that shows anything but the Nurse, the Hospital and the County violating the legal documentation that existed between these men, documentation that was LEGALLY SANCTIONED by the State of California!
The County of Sonoma acted wrongfully and needs to either come forth with its evidence or drop this matter, admit its error and make adequate recompense.
Eric
I've found a local update to this part of the story. Domestic abuse was reported in 2008 in relation to Scull's fall, but the case was not pursued as there was insufficient evidence to corroborate without his testimony and he declined to press for charges. The DA's office states that the matter was considered closed by them at that point.

http://www.topix.com/news/gay/2010/04/sheriff...
Kelli Williams

Coram, NY

#100 Apr 22, 2010
P.S. for those who haven't figured it out yet Greg Spaulding is the lawyer hired by the County to represent the officials and court conservators charged with elder abuse and fraud. He isn't speaking for the District Attorney's office or any law enforcement entity because the DA's office has stated they didn't pursue any domestic violence case.
The original story was first reported by the National Center for Lesbian Rights ( a respected non-profit) and Kate Kendell ( a well known civil rights lawyer).
The DA's office has issued a statement that they never pursued domestic violence charges and they consider the matter closed.
Frankly this incompetent lawyering and public smear campaign only makes a possible Sonoma wine boycott more likely.
Trashy. But not surprising at this point.

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