Sonoma County manager to fill Marin's newly created finance post

There are 19 comments on the Marin Independent Journal story from Jul 6, 2009, titled Sonoma County manager to fill Marin's newly created finance post. In it, Marin Independent Journal reports that:

The director of information systems for Sonoma County has been hired to serve as Marin County's newly created position of director of finance.

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SAP

San Rafael, CA

#21 Jul 7, 2009
Let's be sure to hold him accountable for the SAP Financial Software. We want to know how much that system is costing us!! It is in the millions a year folks. Supervisors should be held accountable for implementing a software package meant for the manufacturing industry. Just ridiculous.
Steve

Monterey, CA

#22 Jul 7, 2009
BOHICA Taxpayers: Supervisor Brown Says! Brown; like his tax raising cousin Gerry Brown, has been on the hog since they where in COllege. I wonder how they would fair, if they had to run a 200 cow dairy herd in WEst Marin. Oh My God! They would not know the difference between a hammer and screwdriver!

Hal Brown is nothing but a big time bureaucrat living off the taxpayer!
HowTheyDoIt

Mercer Island, WA

#23 Jul 7, 2009
ReallY????? hmm. Please find below the LIFETIME Annual payouts to public employees retired within Marin County released by CalPERS. Of course Marin County Retirement nor CalSTERS have released their names yet..and they are required. THIS IS WHY COUNTIES and STATES ARE GOING BANKRUPT
Feel to find these figures at http://californiapensionreform.com/calpers/da... .
BRIAN BRADY 14,413.25 172,959.00 NOVATO
SCOTT SIBBALD 12,113.40 145,360.80 NOVATO
LAURENCE DITO 11,229.40 134,752.80 NOVATO
JAMES LAVERONI 10,975.71 131,708.52 NOVATO
GARY BARNER 10,183.73 122,204.76 NOVATO
REGINALD LYLES 9,916.28 118,995.36 NOVATO
JAY CHRISTENSEN 9,872.54 118,470.48 NOVATO
HARRY GRAVES 8,996.62 107,959.44 NOVATO
DONALD FLETCHER 8,687.75 104,253.00 NOVATO
NED ONGARO 9,174.35 110,092.20 MARIN COUNTY SA
RONALD THEISEN 11,346.06 136,152.72 MARIN MUNICIPAL
DANA WHITSON 9,570.87 114,850.44 SAUSALITO
STEPHEN WILLIS 9,222.35 110,668.20 SAUSALITO
CURTIS NEWSOM 8,855.39 106,264.68 TIBURON FPD
WILLIAM STEIGER 8,832.62 105,991.44 TIBURON FPD
JOHN LANDO 10,570.39 126,844.68 KENTFIELD FPD
MICHAEL DENNING 8,641.68 103,700.16 ROSS VALLEY FIR
STEPHEN FISHER 8,611.43 103,337.16 ROSS VALLEY FIR
MARTY MARCUCCI 8,464.10 101,569.20 ROSS VALLEY FIR
STEPHEN WARNER 8,427.10 101,125.20 ROSS VALLEY FIR
Now, here are a few millionaire retirees fro Sonoma where this UNION LEADER was recruited from:
BERNARD GOLDSTEIN 11,599.48 139,193.76 CSU SONOMA
DAVID BENSON 10,928.36 131,140.32 CSU SONOMA
JUDITH HUNT 10,747.27 128,967.24 CSU SONOMA
ROBERT HENRY 10,689.89 128,278.68 SONOMA CO SCHLS
MOLLY MCDERMOTT 10,228.77 122,745.24 SONOMA COUNTY L
NOEL SHUMWAY 9,930.55 119,166.60 SONOMA CO SCHLS
MICHAEL FUSON 9,703.38 116,440.56 SONOMA
LESLIE ADLER 9,655.07 115,860.84 CSU SONOMA
RALPH STERN 9,574.45 114,893.40 SONOMA CO SCHLS
ANTHONY APOLLONI 9,019.19 108,230.28 CSU SONOMA
DENNIS HARRIS 8,892.03 106,704.36 CSU SONOMA
JOHN GURNEY 8,879.87 106,558.44 SONOMA
MICHAEL LASH 8,339.62 100,075.44 SONOMA DEVELOPM
ROBERT HENRY 10,689.89 128,278.68 SONOMA CO SCHLS
NOEL SHUMWAY 9,930.55 119,166.60 SONOMA CO SCHLS
RALPH STERN 9,574.45 114,893.40 SONOMA CO SCHLS
These lists will explode in number and salary figures as 60% of public employees are expected to retire during the next 4 -5 years. It is NOT your average salary, it is the highest salary acheived and - see below...
HowTheyDoIt

Mercer Island, WA

#24 Jul 7, 2009
Resident wrote:
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Who in the county gets their final salary for life? You get a percentage of your final average compensation... and its usually 50-60% if you've worked there for 20+ years. So NO, he will NOT get his final salary for life.
Thought this might help you - surely a public employee union member - understand "how they do it" iMarin County has a history of "SPIKING" pension levels.
See below by former Marin IJ reporter Ms. Brenner:
some retirements are paying out 200k a year.. thats 100 dollars an hour all day for life starting at age 58. This jerk will be paid over 10 million dollars to retire. at tax payer expense
Why some pension payouts are so big
Keri Brenner
Last December, Marin supervisors awarded then County Administrator Mark Riesenfeld a one-time, 10 percent pay bonus.
The holiday bonus was on top of the 58-year-old
manager's annual county salary of $204,839 - plus a monthly $1,500 stipend he was awarded for "filling in" as interim parks director.
When Riesenfeld announced June 1 that he would retire on June 30 after 32 years with the county - the past seven as the top executive - there were grumblings about what some rank-and-file employees called "pension spiking."
"Pension-spiking" refers to adding extra jobs, bonuses or overtime pay in the final year before retiring to increase pensions, which are based in part on final earnings.
Riesenfeld, who won many accolades for his long county service, strongly denied any effort to boost his pension, saying he was not planning to retire at the time of the bonus award - and that the extra $1,500 per month for the parks job came when the county couldn't find anyone else to fill it.
With 32 years of service, and a final year's salary of $204,839, Riesenfeld's pension if he had retired at age 55 would be more than $131,000 annually. That estimate is based on a formula of 2 percent of $204,839, multiplied by 32 years.
But with the final year salary boosted by the $20,000 bonus, plus $15,000 for 10 months as interim parks director, plus a car allowance of $9,600 a year, and about $12,000 in unused fringe benefits, his so-called "final pay" jumps to $261,439, and his pension would climb to $167,320, given the same formula.
In addition, because Riesenfeld waited until age 58 to retire, instead of departing at 55, his estimated pension is boosted from 62.33 percent to 72.58 percent of final pay, or $190,000 annually - plus a yearly cost-of-living increase of up to 4 percent - according to compensation tables published by the Marin retirement program.

Insider

Sunnyvale, CA

#25 Jul 7, 2009
HowTheyDoIt wrote:
ReallY????? hmm. Please find below the LIFETIME Annual payouts to public employees retired within Marin County released by CalPERS. Of course Marin County Retirement nor CalSTERS have released their names yet..and they are required. THIS IS WHY COUNTIES and STATES ARE GOING BANKRUPT
Feel to find these figures at http://californiapensionreform.com/calpers/da... ..
Problem is the site only shows those pulling in over 100k, but doesn't show you what a small percentage of the overall retirees this represents. No one is saying it doesn't happen, long term employees (25-30 yrs) that made high salaries are going to make a big retirement. But its not the norm. The average annual pension is in the 20k-30k range. In the apendix of the annual retirement actuarial report a chart is produced that details the spread of retirees over compensation and prior years of service levels.

The average employee gets less then 50% of the highest salary - some use final salary others use a three year average it varies by plan. Many agencies negotiated plan changes in the late 80's to help confine costs, so some of the higher payouts we are seeing now are those grandfathered into earlier richer plans. Agencies are making changes now which will reduce costs on future hires.

Since: Oct 08

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#26 Jul 7, 2009
Boy, wish I could get 50% of my salary for the rest of my life when I retire...

No wonder the county and the state are BROKE
Death N Taxes

Chino, CA

#27 Jul 9, 2009
Get a Job wrote:
Death N Taxes - Seriously,$87 for family health care? Where do you get your false information? My husband is a county worker and I have to keep working for my benefits because it is WAY too expensive to put me on his benefits. I wish it were only $87. Get a clue before you post false information.
....it's what I read. So what does health care cost at the county level?
Get a Job

Sonoma, CA

#28 Jul 9, 2009
Death N Taxes - to add me as a dependant on my husbands county health care plan, it would be around another $800 a month out of his paycheck. I work in the private industry, and I do not pay a dime towards health care. It would be really nice if I didn't have to work; if I could stay home and be a mom to my kids, but I can't since we couldn't afford to add me and the kids as dependents to my husbands benefits.
Death N Taxes

Chino, CA

#29 Jul 9, 2009
Insider wrote:
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Problem is the site only shows those pulling in over 100k, but doesn't show you what a small percentage of the overall retirees this represents. No one is saying it doesn't happen, long term employees (25-30 yrs) that made high salaries are going to make a big retirement. But its not the norm. The average annual pension is in the 20k-30k range. In the apendix of the annual retirement actuarial report a chart is produced that details the spread of retirees over compensation and prior years of service levels.
The average employee gets less then 50% of the highest salary - some use final salary others use a three year average it varies by plan. Many agencies negotiated plan changes in the late 80's to help confine costs, so some of the higher payouts we are seeing now are those grandfathered into earlier richer plans. Agencies are making changes now which will reduce costs on future hires.
....the majority of the privat sector would LOVE to be able to make 50% of their highest yearly pay for the rest of their lives. Pensions ARE NOT sustainable!! The tax payer would be better off if we gave all public employees raises, and took away pensions. Look how pensions worked out for the airline and auto industries as an example of a broken pension system
Death N Taxes

Chino, CA

#30 Jul 9, 2009
Get a Job wrote:
Death N Taxes - to add me as a dependant on my husbands county health care plan, it would be around another $800 a month out of his paycheck. I work in the private industry, and I do not pay a dime towards health care. It would be really nice if I didn't have to work; if I could stay home and be a mom to my kids, but I can't since we couldn't afford to add me and the kids as dependents to my husbands benefits.
....interesting....$800 a month? that sounds really high!....I'll try and track down the article that stated the $87 amount.
Get a Job

Sonoma, CA

#31 Jul 9, 2009
I know! It is ridiculous! I do wonder however, what the higher ups in the county pay. Maybe they pay $87 a month for a family. That just wouldn't be fair though. They don't actually have to work like the county employees do.
wheres bob b

Tallahassee, FL

#32 Jul 9, 2009
Resident wrote:
<quoted text>
Who in the county gets their final salary for life? You get a percentage of your final average compensation... and its usually 50-60% if you've worked there for 20+ years. So NO, he will NOT get his final salary for life.
you tell him!
wheres bob b

Tallahassee, FL

#33 Jul 9, 2009
HowTheyDoIt wrote:
<quoted text>
Thought this might help you - surely a public employee union member - understand "how they do it" iMarin County has a history of "SPIKING" pension levels.
See below by former Marin IJ reporter Ms. Brenner:
some retirements are paying out 200k a year.. thats 100 dollars an hour all day for life starting at age 58. This jerk will be paid over 10 million dollars to retire. at tax payer expense
Why some pension payouts are so big
Keri Brenner
Last December, Marin supervisors awarded then County Administrator Mark Riesenfeld a one-time, 10 percent pay bonus.
The holiday bonus was on top of the 58-year-old
manager's annual county salary of $204,839 - plus a monthly $1,500 stipend he was awarded for "filling in" as interim parks director.
When Riesenfeld announced June 1 that he would retire on June 30 after 32 years with the county - the past seven as the top executive - there were grumblings about what some rank-and-file employees called "pension spiking."
"Pension-spiking" refers to adding extra jobs, bonuses or overtime pay in the final year before retiring to increase pensions, which are based in part on final earnings.
Riesenfeld, who won many accolades for his long county service, strongly denied any effort to boost his pension, saying he was not planning to retire at the time of the bonus award - and that the extra $1,500 per month for the parks job came when the county couldn't find anyone else to fill it.
With 32 years of service, and a final year's salary of $204,839, Riesenfeld's pension if he had retired at age 55 would be more than $131,000 annually. That estimate is based on a formula of 2 percent of $204,839, multiplied by 32 years.
But with the final year salary boosted by the $20,000 bonus, plus $15,000 for 10 months as interim parks director, plus a car allowance of $9,600 a year, and about $12,000 in unused fringe benefits, his so-called "final pay" jumps to $261,439, and his pension would climb to $167,320, given the same formula.
In addition, because Riesenfeld waited until age 58 to retire, instead of departing at 55, his estimated pension is boosted from 62.33 percent to 72.58 percent of final pay, or $190,000 annually - plus a yearly cost-of-living increase of up to 4 percent - according to compensation tables published by the Marin retirement program.
good lord, you talk a lot!!!!!!!!!
wheres bob b

Tallahassee, FL

#34 Jul 9, 2009
HowTheyDoIt wrote:
<quoted text>
Thought this might help you - surely a public employee union member - understand "how they do it" iMarin County has a history of "SPIKING" pension levels.
See below by former Marin IJ reporter Ms. Brenner:
some retirements are paying out 200k a year.. thats 100 dollars an hour all day for life starting at age 58. This jerk will be paid over 10 million dollars to retire. at tax payer expense
Why some pension payouts are so big
Keri Brenner
Last December, Marin supervisors awarded then County Administrator Mark Riesenfeld a one-time, 10 percent pay bonus.
The holiday bonus was on top of the 58-year-old
manager's annual county salary of $204,839 - plus a monthly $1,500 stipend he was awarded for "filling in" as interim parks director.
When Riesenfeld announced June 1 that he would retire on June 30 after 32 years with the county - the past seven as the top executive - there were grumblings about what some rank-and-file employees called "pension spiking."
"Pension-spiking" refers to adding extra jobs, bonuses or overtime pay in the final year before retiring to increase pensions, which are based in part on final earnings.
Riesenfeld, who won many accolades for his long county service, strongly denied any effort to boost his pension, saying he was not planning to retire at the time of the bonus award - and that the extra $1,500 per month for the parks job came when the county couldn't find anyone else to fill it.
With 32 years of service, and a final year's salary of $204,839, Riesenfeld's pension if he had retired at age 55 would be more than $131,000 annually. That estimate is based on a formula of 2 percent of $204,839, multiplied by 32 years.
But with the final year salary boosted by the $20,000 bonus, plus $15,000 for 10 months as interim parks director, plus a car allowance of $9,600 a year, and about $12,000 in unused fringe benefits, his so-called "final pay" jumps to $261,439, and his pension would climb to $167,320, given the same formula.
In addition, because Riesenfeld waited until age 58 to retire, instead of departing at 55, his estimated pension is boosted from 62.33 percent to 72.58 percent of final pay, or $190,000 annually - plus a yearly cost-of-living increase of up to 4 percent - according to compensation tables published by the Marin retirement program.
GOOD LORD< you are STIL talking!!!!!!!!!!
Insider

Sunnyvale, CA

#35 Jul 10, 2009
Get a Job wrote:
I know! It is ridiculous! I do wonder however, what the higher ups in the county pay. Maybe they pay $87 a month for a family. That just wouldn't be fair though. They don't actually have to work like the county employees do.
No special deal for department heads. They get the same benefit options, costs and offsets as everyone else. Marin changed it a couple of years ago to make everyone equal with the only fluctuation in flat dollar offset based on your number of dependents.

The $87 is probably another agency like BART. There benefit options and offsets are tremendous. Which makes their threat of a strike all the more mind-blowing in the current fiscal environment. Other unions are taking 5-15% cuts.

There are some dept heads who may not be the hardest workers, but for the most part our county dept heads are dedicated, hardworking and community driven.
TCL

San Anselmo, CA

#36 Jun 11, 2010
HowTheyDoIt wrote:
ReallY????? hmm. Please find below the LIFETIME Annual payouts to public employees retired within Marin County released by CalPERS. Of course Marin County Retirement nor CalSTERS have released their names yet..and they are required. THIS IS WHY COUNTIES and STATES ARE GOING BANKRUPT
You belie your lack of knowledge - these retirements are paid by the retirement fun, not the cities and counties. Your example is like saying that a 401 K with investments in Microsoft stock means that the retirement of the person who made the investment is paid by Microsoft. It's not. it's paid by contributions made by the employee from their paycheck while employed, and future market growth (Calpers and 37 act counties) routinely beat the market in their investments, too). Never mind the fact that when these people die (and many of the people you listed are dead) their contributions and market gains go back into the system to pay for others - not to their estate, like a 401K would. So if a person saves millions for their retirement, you are saying they shouldn't be able to draw that when they retire?

Since: Oct 08

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#37 Jun 14, 2010
TCL wrote:
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You belie your lack of knowledge - these retirements are paid by the retirement fun, not the cities and counties. Your example is like saying that a 401 K with investments in Microsoft stock means that the retirement of the person who made the investment is paid by Microsoft. It's not. it's paid by contributions made by the employee from their paycheck while employed, and future market growth (Calpers and 37 act counties) routinely beat the market in their investments, too). Never mind the fact that when these people die (and many of the people you listed are dead) their contributions and market gains go back into the system to pay for others - not to their estate, like a 401K would. So if a person saves millions for their retirement, you are saying they shouldn't be able to draw that when they retire?
Please look up 'DEFINED BENEFIT PENSION' and the look up who is responsible for making the pension payments if the investments made by the retirement fund do not perform well enough to pay all of the pension liabilities.
Pot Smoking Moronite

Elmira, CA

#38 Jun 14, 2010
TCL wrote:
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You belie your lack of knowledge - these retirements are paid by the retirement fun, not the cities and counties. Your example is like saying that a 401 K with investments in Microsoft stock means that the retirement of the person who made the investment is paid by Microsoft. It's not. it's paid by contributions made by the employee from their paycheck while employed, and future market growth (Calpers and 37 act counties) routinely beat the market in their investments, too). Never mind the fact that when these people die (and many of the people you listed are dead) their contributions and market gains go back into the system to pay for others - not to their estate, like a 401K would. So if a person saves millions for their retirement, you are saying they shouldn't be able to draw that when they retire?
This is what he does best. He's nothing more than a self proclaimed "army hero" clerk typist. Same old story.

Since: Oct 08

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#39 Jun 19, 2010
Pot Smoking Moronite wrote:
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This is what he does best. He's nothing more than a self proclaimed "army hero" clerk typist. Same old story.
Putz

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