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Vacaville couple in child shooting case ordered to undergo evaluation

There are 151 comments on the The Reporter story from May 1, 2010, titled Vacaville couple in child shooting case ordered to undergo evaluation. In it, The Reporter reports that:

Following an emotionally charged hearing Friday afternoon, a Solano County Superior Court judge ordered that a couple charged in the accidental shooting death of their 2-year-old daughter undergo a 90-day psychological evaluation by the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

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ell

San Francisco, CA

#1 May 1, 2010
As a person with strong dislike for our nations gun laws. This case a prime example . guns are not respected for what the our a weapon. These parents made a fatal mistake. very bad judgement. Just as the parents of the 4 babies who died in fairfield the other night. Im hoping the publicity will reach other parents you can not leave your children alone with weapons. Guns Candles. Can someone tell me what remorse looks like? I keep seeing over and over reports that they are showing no signs of remorse. What exactly does it look like?
GITC

Martinez, CA

#2 May 1, 2010
Their idiots and get no sympathy! they knew loaded guns are laying around and did'nt even teach their kids "gun safety"? don't touch, don't point it at anyone? simple except when your dumb! dumb parents = dumb kids!

“WHEN SOME1 SHOWS U WHO THEY R”

Since: Jul 08

BELIEVE THEM

#3 May 1, 2010
ell wrote:
As a person with strong dislike for our nations gun laws. This case a prime example . guns are not respected for what the our a weapon. These parents made a fatal mistake. very bad judgement. Just as the parents of the 4 babies who died in fairfield the other night. Im hoping the publicity will reach other parents you can not leave your children alone with weapons. Guns Candles. Can someone tell me what remorse looks like? I keep seeing over and over reports that they are showing no signs of remorse. What exactly does it look like?
Remorse begins by accepting responsibility, and not making excuses-something the Shanahans and the so called mother that is conducting interviews and is at DMV when hher babies just burned to death are not doing. They are making excuses. The fact that you have to live without your child is not punishment-that is an effect to the cause you created. You leave a candle burning and leave the babies alone-they die. That is not punishment. You drive drunk like Daniella and someone loses an arm-that is not punishment-that is effect caused by you driving drunk. Your son shoots your daughter and she dies-you must be punished. Daniella shouldn't have been around guns anyway-she is a convicted felon. When is she going to receive any punishment. Depression is not a punishment.I'm so sick of defense attorneys acting like they are not just as scummy as the people they are paid to protect. A filthy house and full of weapons is not a place for children. If the mother was so depressed, the father should have stepped up. I don't care about his career either-he's a reservist not active duty.
Teri

Suisun City, CA

#4 May 1, 2010
ANYONE who believes in the LUNACY of keeping a gun in the house, ESPECIALLY with children in the family, needs psychiatric help. Guns have ONE and ONLY ONE purpose....to KILL! Crime statistics have shown over and over that you're FAR more likely to be killed in your own home with your own gun, then by an intruder's. So why have gun in the house?

I feel sorry for the 8 year old in this story, who was never taught NOT TO PLAY WITH GUNS, and wound up killing his baby sister, but I have ZERO sympathy for the parents, or any adult friends or relatives who knew that this IDIOT kept a gun (loaded or not) in a home with children.

When are we going to grow up and join the 21st Century and do away with the so-called "right to bear arms"? When our founding fathers wrote that into the Constitution, I'm sure their intent was not to have it be used as an excuse for every NUTCASE "and his brother" to own handguns, rifles, or any other type of firearm at a point when they're no longer needed in a modern day society.

GUNS DO NOTHING BUT KILL. LET'S WAKE UP TO THE 21ST CENTURY AND BAN GUN OWNERSHIP ONCE AND FOR ALL.

And for those who insist on continuing to own guns, and if those guns wind up killing anyone, take the adult (if, like in this case it was a child who was "playing with" the gun) and lock that person up for the rest of his or her life, with NO possibility of parole...EVER!

These parents should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as accessories, just as they would if they had accompanied, or aided and adult friend or relative in a crime committed with that same gun. The young boy should be protected against prosecution, as he's only 8 and it's not his fault he was born into a family with STUPID parents....but the "parents" have NO excuse at all.
Teri

Suisun City, CA

#5 May 1, 2010
Gemineye wrote:
<quoted text>Remorse begins by accepting responsibility, and not making excuses-something the Shanahans and the so called mother that is conducting interviews and is at DMV when hher babies just burned to death are not doing. They are making excuses. The fact that you have to live without your child is not punishment-that is an effect to the cause you created. You leave a candle burning and leave the babies alone-they die. That is not punishment. You drive drunk like Daniella and someone loses an arm-that is not punishment-that is effect caused by you driving drunk. Your son shoots your daughter and she dies-you must be punished. Daniella shouldn't have been around guns anyway-she is a convicted felon. When is she going to receive any punishment. Depression is not a punishment.I'm so sick of defense attorneys acting like they are not just as scummy as the people they are paid to protect. A filthy house and full of weapons is not a place for children. If the mother was so depressed, the father should have stepped up. I don't care about his career either-he's a reservist not active duty.
WOW! Had I realized she's a convicted Felon, my comments would have been even more strongly worded. In terms of his "career", military status means nothing to me, as I'm anti-war, and basically anti-military. But for them to have had a firearm in the house with her being a convicted Felon, that sheds a whole new light on my views on this story, that's for SURE!
Mitch

Danville, CA

#6 May 1, 2010
Teri wrote:
ANYONE who believes in the LUNACY of keeping a gun in the house, ESPECIALLY with children in the family, needs psychiatric help. Guns have ONE and ONLY ONE purpose....to KILL! Crime statistics have shown over and over that you're FAR more likely to be killed in your own home with your own gun, then by an intruder's. So why have gun in the house?
I feel sorry for the 8 year old in this story, who was never taught NOT TO PLAY WITH GUNS, and wound up killing his baby sister, but I have ZERO sympathy for the parents, or any adult friends or relatives who knew that this IDIOT kept a gun (loaded or not) in a home with children.
When are we going to grow up and join the 21st Century and do away with the so-called "right to bear arms"? When our founding fathers wrote that into the Constitution, I'm sure their intent was not to have it be used as an excuse for every NUTCASE "and his brother" to own handguns, rifles, or any other type of firearm at a point when they're no longer needed in a modern day society.
GUNS DO NOTHING BUT KILL. LET'S WAKE UP TO THE 21ST CENTURY AND BAN GUN OWNERSHIP ONCE AND FOR ALL.
And for those who insist on continuing to own guns, and if those guns wind up killing anyone, take the adult (if, like in this case it was a child who was "playing with" the gun) and lock that person up for the rest of his or her life, with NO possibility of parole...EVER!
These parents should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law as accessories, just as they would if they had accompanied, or aided and adult friend or relative in a crime committed with that same gun. The young boy should be protected against prosecution, as he's only 8 and it's not his fault he was born into a family with STUPID parents....but the "parents" have NO excuse at all.
More verbosity from someone who would rather shred the U.S. Constitution than live under the greatest law that Western Civilization has ever seen.

Hey Teri! Guns don't kill, fathers of beautiful daughters kill.
Mitch

Danville, CA

#7 May 1, 2010
Teri wrote:
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WOW! Had I realized she's a convicted Felon, my comments would have been even more strongly worded. In terms of his "career", military status means nothing to me, as I'm anti-war, and basically anti-military. But for them to have had a firearm in the house with her being a convicted Felon, that sheds a whole new light on my views on this story, that's for SURE!
Gheeeeze! Not only are you an idiot, you are a Communist America hating treasonous idiot.

A proud VETERAN of 23 years of honorable military service sends. And yes, I have killed "people" as part of my military duties for God, Mom and the American way.

America enjoys its freedoms because of our Armed Forces.

Go to hell you disgusting traitor! Go directly to hell. Do not pass go and do not collect your mere $200.
Teri

Suisun City, CA

#8 May 1, 2010
Mitch wrote:
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Gheeeeze! Not only are you an idiot, you are a Communist America hating treasonous idiot.
A proud VETERAN of 23 years of honorable military service sends. And yes, I have killed "people" as part of my military duties for God, Mom and the American way.
America enjoys its freedoms because of our Armed Forces.
Go to hell you disgusting traitor! Go directly to hell. Do not pass go and do not collect your mere $200.
TOO FUNNY that you even mention "god"....you and you pretend "friend"...TOO DAMNED FUNNY! IF "god" really exists, why did you have to go to war and MURDER people? IF "god" really exists, and all the BULLSHIT in your bible (nothing more then the most famous piece of FICTION ever written by man) is true, why do people hate each other so much. It's YOU who's the NUTCASE here, NOT I.(Oh, sorry...your grammar stills and general intellect probably prevent you from knowing it's "NOT I"...so I guess I should revise that for the intellectually deprived who read this..."it's YOU, NOT me".....)
And we INTELLIGENT people in society wonder why we have the pathetic government that we have.
These posts are supposed to be comments on the MURDER of a CHILD, but a gun that was in a household where there are MORONS for parents....NOT about the military, or "god" or anything else....my comment about military was only a response the the other writer's mentioning the "parent's" positions in our so-called society.
By the way....GUNS KILL....people without guns can still use other weapons, yes, but GUNS have ONE and ONLY ONE reason for existing....TO KILL!
Sky Fest

Hilmar, CA

#9 May 1, 2010
Armchair juries and judges and we've never viewed the evidence or met the accused. From the sounds of it, though, this couple should be locked up... BUT WAIT! We will have to pay to incarcerate them. Put them on parole and restrict them to never own another firearm... and put their remaining kid in the care of someone else.

These people do not seem sane.
J Coffman

Sacramento, CA

#10 May 1, 2010
Teri wrote:
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TOO FUNNY that you even mention "god"....you and you pretend "friend"...TOO DAMNED FUNNY! IF "god" really exists, why did you have to go to war and MURDER people? IF "god" really exists, and all the **** in your bible (nothing more then the most famous piece of FICTION ever written by man) is true, why do people hate each other so much. It's YOU who's the NUTCASE here, NOT I.(Oh, sorry...your grammar stills and general intellect probably prevent you from knowing it's "NOT I"...so I guess I should revise that for the intellectually deprived who read this..."it's YOU, NOT me".....)
And we INTELLIGENT people in society wonder why we have the pathetic government that we have.
These posts are supposed to be comments on the MURDER of a CHILD, but a gun that was in a household where there are MORONS for parents....NOT about the military, or "god" or anything else....my comment about military was only a response the the other writer's mentioning the "parent's" positions in our so-called society.
By the way....GUNS KILL....people without guns can still use other weapons, yes, but GUNS have ONE and ONLY ONE reason for existing....TO KILL!
Teri-
First, your disgusting with your beliefs. Second, judging by the "BLOCK" letters you use and choice of words/content employed, your mind is far too influenced by your emotions for you to make any kind of rational statement on this board. You are not familiar with this case, you do not personally know these two parents and their parental talents, and mainly you were not there to see what happened to rightfully pass any form of judgement upon these two parents.
If in fact the parents did/do feel remorse, then i have not nothing but empathy and compassion for them. And Teri- I'm sorry you have not read and accepted the good bible, because now you have been filled with nothing but anger and hate, and to not feel empathy and compassion for your neighbors is nothing but short of a tragedy.
----As far as negligence on the parents part; yeah they left a gun out unsecured, and now they must face the emotional consequences for doing so. I do not yet have children, but if I did, I'm sure that this emotional consequence would surpass any degree of legal punishment. If it is shown that the parents were negligent in securing their weapon, then convict them such and release them, no prison time. However, if the parents were negligent *parents* and did not provide proper care for their children, seek additional prosecution.
Also Guns do not kill people, people kill people. Look at the man who killed all those kids in China, he didn't have a gun he had a knife.
Above all else, remember: compassion, empathy
Paula

Suisun City, CA

#11 May 1, 2010
Sky Fest wrote:
Armchair juries and judges and we've never viewed the evidence or met the accused. From the sounds of it, though, this couple should be locked up... BUT WAIT! We will have to pay to incarcerate them. Put them on parole and restrict them to never own another firearm... and put their remaining kid in the care of someone else.
These people do not seem sane.
For the most part, I agree. And IF there are extenuating circumstances, your point of "parole" or probation, instead of locking them up, is understood.(by the way, they'd have to be incarcerated before they can be "paroled") However, if we'd stop making prisons into vacation camp grounds, and go back to what they were "in the old days", PERHAPS locking these "parents" up for 15 or 20 years AT LEAST, MIGHT teach them, and by example society, a lesson. However, I also agree that their son should be taken away from them my the courts, FOREVER. They're OBVIOUSLY not qualified to be parents if they're SO STUPID as to leave a loaded gun where he could get his little, innocent hands on it, and "play" with it.
In terms of restricting them from owning any sort of gun in the future is TOTALLY futile. We all know how effective that is. Look at the number of people driving on suspended or revoked driver's licenses. Or the number of convicted felons who don't get access to guns and commit more crimes. I think a better plan would be to just lock them up forever.
I've read other comments here, and I agree that guns should be outlawed in today's "modern" society. There are three things that I can think of that have NO other reason for existing then to KILL....GUNS, BOMBS, and THE ELECTRIC CHAIR. So if one has the "right" to own a gun, why can't I own a nuclear bomb, or my neighbor have a functioning electric chair in his garage? The argument that "guns don't kill, people do" is RIDICULOUS!! One can also "kill" with one's fists, but you need your hands to function in life. One can "kill" with a knife, but even a 6 foot long saber could be used to cut a steak...messy perhaps, but not impossible. What other purpose is there to having a gun, but to KILL? And every time a person is KILLED with a gun, and ESPECIALLY a CHILDE, my blood curdles with disgust that we're still have this 17th Century mentality about guns!!
And Teri is quite right about the statistics pointing out that you're more likely to be killed, or a loved one killed in your home with your own gun, than by someone breaking in. Also, even IF you have a gun in your house for "protection", and an intruder breaks in, what are you going to do...ask the intruder to "wait a minute while I grab my gun"? Yeah, right!
My uncle is a prosecutor (attorney) and he's tired of explaining to "gun lovers" that if you kill or injure an "intruder", you're probably still subject to being prosecuted for that CRIME, unless you can PROVE that the intruder was actually threatening your life. Hard to PROVE that just because he (or she) had a gun and had broken into your home, that there was INTENT to do YOU bodily harm. So, YOUR gun will probably get you a prison term, and the "intruder" will probably get a slap on the wrist. NOT WORTH the STUPIDITY of owning a damned gun.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#12 May 1, 2010
What many have described as a cop's worst nightmare played out in a Roseville suburb Tuesday evening.

In the garage with her father, Placer County Sheriff's Deputy Ken Skogen, 3-year-old Kalli got her hands on a .40-caliber pistol and shot herself.

Arriving police officers found the toddler in her mother's arms inside the home. She was brought first to Sutter Roseville Medical Center, then flown to UC Davis Children's Hospital when her condition worsened.

Shortly before 8:30 p.m., Kalli was pronounced dead.

Roseville police continued their investigation Wednesday, releasing few new details about the circumstances surrounding the incident, except to say the gun was not the deputy's service weapon.

Police said it appeared to be an accident.
Jesus H

Fairfield, CA

#13 May 1, 2010
Remorse, Shremorse! Send them to my Dad - He'll teach them the true meaning of contrite and repentant.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#14 May 1, 2010
How do we judge who deserves to go to jail? Is it parents with questionable beliefs and poor house keeeping skills? Is it the cop who should have known better?
Paula

Suisun City, CA

#15 May 1, 2010
J Coffman wrote:
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Teri-
First, your disgusting with your beliefs. Second, judging by the "BLOCK" letters you use and choice of words/content employed, your mind is far too influenced by your emotions for you to make any kind of rational statement on this board. You are not familiar with this case, you do not personally know these two parents and their parental talents, and mainly you were not there to see what happened to rightfully pass any form of judgement upon these two parents.
If in fact the parents did/do feel remorse, then i have not nothing but empathy and compassion for them. And Teri- I'm sorry you have not read and accepted the good bible, because now you have been filled with nothing but anger and hate, and to not feel empathy and compassion for your neighbors is nothing but short of a tragedy.
----As far as negligence on the parents part; yeah they left a gun out unsecured, and now they must face the emotional consequences for doing so. I do not yet have children, but if I did, I'm sure that this emotional consequence would surpass any degree of legal punishment. If it is shown that the parents were negligent in securing their weapon, then convict them such and release them, no prison time. However, if the parents were negligent *parents* and did not provide proper care for their children, seek additional prosecution.
Also Guns do not kill people, people kill people. Look at the man who killed all those kids in China, he didn't have a gun he had a knife.
Above all else, remember: compassion, empathy
I'm only going to defend Teri's comments about the bible blabber here, as I agree with her other comments about these so-called "parents"....

In terms of the bible blabber. If you believe in some imaginary "friend" named "god" that's fine, but I get really sick and tired of it being used as a "crutch" for those who can't handle life without, or an EXCUSE for everything. People who are "praying" for those still missing in that oil drill explosion, or "pray" for those in the Haiti or Chile earthquakes, or "pray" for anything else....where the HELL are you BEFORE the fact? IF you're mumbo-jumbo that you call "prayer" can do any good in REALITY, why don't you "pray" to your imaginary "god" that those things will be PREVENTED BEFORE they happen? Why is "prayer" and all that other "magic" and "voodoo" used after the fact? And if "god" is responsible for all, as you NUTS claim, then he (or she) is EQUALLY AT FAULT FOR ALL BAD THAT HAPPENS TOO, along with the good that you always attribute to "god". In terms of her being full of hatred and bigotry as you stated, I don't know ANY "christians" who don't HATE someone...gays, foreigners, different races, etc. Religion "teaches" more hatred and discrimination than anything else I know of.

So, BRAVO to Teri for her comments.

And as too you comment about "guns don't kill, people do"...read my comments in another post about how STUPID that has become in MODERN society.
Paula

Suisun City, CA

#16 May 1, 2010
chucky101 wrote:
How do we judge who deserves to go to jail? Is it parents with questionable beliefs and poor house keeeping skills? Is it the cop who should have known better?
Based on the comments here, I'd say that the Sheriff's deputy in this case should be put on desk duty for the rest of his career, and that's ONLY if he's allowed to keep his job!! As far as I'm concerned "accidents" don't happen with guns. Who ever heard of an "accident" with a bomb? Or an "accident" happening with an electric chair? Guns, bombs and electric chairs have ONE and ONLY one purpose for existing....TO KILL!

If a law enforcement officer is SO STUPID as to leave his service weapon, or any other weapon within reach of a child.....need I say more?
Paula

Suisun City, CA

#17 May 1, 2010
Mitch wrote:
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More verbosity from someone who would rather shred the U.S. Constitution than live under the greatest law that Western Civilization has ever seen.
Hey Teri! Guns don't kill, fathers of beautiful daughters kill.
I don't think she's an advocate of "shredding" the Constitution. YOU IDIOT! That's what the Amendment process is for. But I DO agree that we need to rethink what our founding fathers had in mind when they composed the 2nd Amendment. We're in the 21 Century now, and we don't need to be running around in a civilized society with guns.

And in terms of your comment about "the greatest law that Western Civilization has ever seen", I agree, but only to a point. The Constitution is STILL being used as an excuse for people to hate and discriminate against others. So, who are we to say what you did, while at the same time, running around the world, trying to dictate to other peoples (yes, that's a proper use of the term) how "great" we are and how to live THEIR lives, when our own "greatest legal document"...the Constitution....STILL sponsors so much hatred and discrimination?

Finally, your comment: "Hey Teri! Guns don't kill, fathers of beautiful daughters kill." YOU'RE AN IDIOT!! If that's true, they why can't I own a BOMB, or a CANNON, or an electric chair? People can also kill with fists and knives....but we need our hands to survive in life, and even a 6 food long saber could be used to cut a steak at the dinner table (messy perhaps, but still possible). But guns, bombs and electric chairs have ONE and ONLY ONE reason for existing....TO KILL!
When is a crime a crime

Atherton, CA

#18 May 1, 2010
I know we live in a different county but how is it that this is child endangerment and a crime but in Sacramento County/ROSEVILLE when a PLACER COUNTY SHERIFF'S child does the exact same thing it's not a crime? Or charges haven't been brought a week later.
Not even failing to properly store a firearm. It is no less a tragedy when a civilian loses a child.
IF ANYTHING OUR GOVERNMENT AND OFFICERS SHOULD BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD, NOT LOWER! And in both cases A CHILD DIED because of the parent's negligence and I quite frankly don't give a crap what you do for a living - CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT IS CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT!
I LOVE TEA

Fairfield, CA

#19 May 1, 2010
Teri wrote:
When are we going to grow up and join the 21st Century and do away with the so-called "right to bear arms"? When our founding fathers wrote that into the Constitution, I'm sure their intent was not to have it be used as an excuse for every NUTCASE "and his brother" to own handguns, rifles, or any other type of firearm at a point when they're no longer needed in a modern day society.
Teri, you are ignorant of the Founding Fathers and our Rights. Please educate yourself before you rant. Guns did not kill this little girl. Her parents irresponsibility did.

As for no one being allowed to own a gun, Hilter agreed with you.
I LOVE TEA

Fairfield, CA

#20 May 1, 2010
Paula wrote:
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I don't think she's an advocate of "shredding" the Constitution. YOU IDIOT! That's what the Amendment process is for. But I DO agree that we need to rethink what our founding fathers had in mind when they composed the 2nd Amendment. We're in the 21 Century now, and we don't need to be running around in a civilized society with guns.
And in terms of your comment about "the greatest law that Western Civilization has ever seen", I agree, but only to a point. The Constitution is STILL being used as an excuse for people to hate and discriminate against others. So, who are we to say what you did, while at the same time, running around the world, trying to dictate to other peoples (yes, that's a proper use of the term) how "great" we are and how to live THEIR lives, when our own "greatest legal document"...the Constitution....STILL sponsors so much hatred and discrimination?
Finally, your comment: "Hey Teri! Guns don't kill, fathers of beautiful daughters kill." YOU'RE AN IDIOT!! If that's true, they why can't I own a BOMB, or a CANNON, or an electric chair? People can also kill with fists and knives....but we need our hands to survive in life, and even a 6 food long saber could be used to cut a steak at the dinner table (messy perhaps, but still possible). But guns, bombs and electric chairs have ONE and ONLY ONE reason for existing....TO KILL!
Nah, YOU are the idiot. When a gun is used, those who do not accept responsibility for their own actions blame the gun. It's the moron's way out.

Thank GOD we have a Constitution to protect us from fools such as you. Register Criminals, not Guns. Put these parents in jail where they belong. Drugs are the main problem in their family, and in the home of many I see posting here. What a shame idiots like Paula want to blame others and objects rather than doing what is right for themselves.

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