Horse death in Arlington deemed accid...

Horse death in Arlington deemed accidental

There are 115 comments on the The Herald story from Jun 15, 2010, titled Horse death in Arlington deemed accidental. In it, The Herald reports that:

Police determined a horse died Saturday after accidentally falling out of a moving trailer.

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Skeptical Lucy

Portland, OR

#81 Aug 11, 2010
Well, what is Janice Moon's middle initial? I re-read some of her posts on Fugly. Those raised my radar quite a bit.
Jo Anne

Denver, CO

#82 Aug 11, 2010
janice wrote:
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Wow! When I call people names I get jumped all over.... Why is that???
You don't call them the right names evidently.
Be Reasonable

United States

#83 Aug 19, 2010
This was a tragic accident. There is absolutely no way she did this intentionally! The people on here insinuating that this was intentional should be ashamed of themselves. At the time when the owner was sitting with the horse she was probably in such a state of shock that she had no words to describe the horror of what had just occurred. Anyone who judges someone at a time like that has no compassion, and no common sense. Yes, obviously something was not secured correctly or malfunctioned - but it was still an accident. I am an animal lover (and I have owned horses for many years) like all of you, however, I see no reason to make this person's pain any worse. I know the horse suffered a terrible ending, unthinkable pain and it is truly ghastly. None of us can bring him back, and I am sure the owner wishes she could go back and change the outcome of what happened more than all of us combined. I saw and had to drive through the aftermath the night this happened and could not even comprehend what I was seeing. There is still a blood trail on the road to this day, I see it everyday on my way home and it reminds me to cherish my animals even more. I cannot imagine if that had been one of them - there is no way I would ever be able to drive up this road again! For as much as it bothers me, the owner must be haunted beyond what is imaginable.
In reading the news articles I have also noticed that while Pasado's Safe Haven wants to get involved in this (seemingly out of their jurisdiction) they cannot even get the gender of the animal correct!! According to the owner in her news interview HIS name was Flash. In the article on their website they talk about the horse as a female! Get the facts straight before you go bashing someone at least! The Sheriff's Office investigated and ruled it accidental, and that should be the end of it!
Rest In Peace Flash!! Hopefully you are in a pasture full of the best green grass where the sun shines and you never feel another pain!
jlm

Marysville, WA

#84 Aug 19, 2010
very well said...
jlm

Marysville, WA

#85 Aug 19, 2010
Danielle wrote:
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Dennis was on the scene, called in by "someone" to help. He used his tractor to pull the horse off the middle of the road. However, off duty, Dennis did call off the on duty depty.
JLM has been quoted as stating "she" is female on this forum.
DANIELLE why must you try to sound like you are someone important.you know jack crap..the off duty officer was not called by someone, he was driving down the road on his way home..he didn't get out to help someone he knew, he got out because he is a good person regardless of what his job title is.and numerous people that saw the vehichle towing the trailer say it is a durango..which is classified as a SUV..so get your story straight. i am no relation to the montgomerys and if you open a phone book you will see that many last names start with a M not just that one..your detective skills suck danielle.how is pasado's case going? and if you are going to be allowed to sue the city ,which i do not know what city ,over this accident well then a whole new scenario of worms will be opened.every time someone witnesses a accident on the freeway they can then sue because someone didn't drive careful enough...lol..get real people you are all just sue happy..
Skeptical Lucy

Portland, OR

#86 Aug 19, 2010
Well maybe if you local yokels (including you JLM because you act like one) would help matters considerably if you would stop playing hidey-hole with the facts and helping shield the guilty party(ies) instead of insulting, berating and vilifying the one truly courageous person who has the spine to persevere with an investigation despite actionably abusive treatment from the lot of you.
Conway

United States

#87 Aug 19, 2010
Skeptical Lucy wrote:
Well maybe if you local yokels (including you JLM because you act like one) would help matters considerably if you would stop playing hidey-hole with the facts and helping shield the guilty party(ies) instead of insulting, berating and vilifying the one truly courageous person who has the spine to persevere with an investigation despite actionably abusive treatment from the lot of you.
Please SL-elaborate on the "actionably abusive treatment from the lot of you." against Danielle when I have seen death threats, threats of dragging behind the trailer, threats of taking away kids/animals against the driver here and in other forums. And for what? I am confused what people want out of this. A public apology would make this all ok? I seriously doubt it.

How is threats against the driver ok but anyone who thinks it was truly an accident and not an intentional act is being abusive towards Danielle.

Shoot, for that matter those of us that don't think it is some elaborate conspiracy theory have even had death threats against us from the gig harbor poster to the point we felt we needed to report it to Topix for investigation. That is ok? Really???
Conway you are sad

Nordland, WA

#88 Aug 19, 2010
You and all your poor excuses for your people ????really do not get it do you? We do not have a clue who this Danielle is and we don't care but any person who wants to defend anyone involved in that horrible event that took place on that public highway in June of 2010 is clearly out of thier _______ mind. You need to go back to your disgusting existence and hope your not behind or in front of someone with the mental capacity of your DRIVER or should I say morbid animal killer.
Conway

United States

#89 Aug 19, 2010
Conway you are sad wrote:
You and all your poor excuses for your people ????really do not get it do you? We do not have a clue who this Danielle is and we don't care but any person who wants to defend anyone involved in that horrible event that took place on that public highway in June of 2010 is clearly out of thier _______ mind. You need to go back to your disgusting existence and hope your not behind or in front of someone with the mental capacity of your DRIVER or should I say morbid animal killer.
I am sad? I'm not the one that feels I need to change my identity every post. I have been consistent in my opinions and have always stated them as just that, my opinions. I have never felt a need to bash or belittle anyone on here, just to stand by my point that accidents do happen.

I still do not know anyone in these forums other than through their posts. I do not know the driver or anyone involved, same as you. You choose to take one side and I choose to take the other. Your opinion is yours and just as you don't have to agree with my opinion, you don't have to agree with mine. I honestly hope you never have an accident and are subject to the vigilante justice that has occurred in this case.

Those of us that believe it was an accident have never stated we were glad this happened, quite the contrary. We have all shown our sympathy regarding this tragedy and we recognize it as just that, a tragedy. Nothing any of us do will bring that horse back or erase the memory of that day from the people that had to witness it. The driver will have to live with what happened long after the drag marks finally fade knowing that yes, by driving the vehicle, she cause this horse to die. Unfortunate circumstances and one fleeting moment can end in a horrible tragedy. In this case it was the trailer door coming open. This did not happen over a long period of time, this happened in a matter of a few horrible minutes. Your statement that she was a "morbid animal killer" would indicate that the horse was intentionally tied behind the trailer and dragged down the road after a trail ride with her friends. If I thought for a moment that is what happened I might be inclined to join the "driver is an idiot" club. Everything indicates that the door latch, for what ever reason, came open allowing the door to swing and the horse came out, the rest has been repeated many times in this forum.

Danielle is standing firm in her investigation and if that is what she believes she needs to do than good for her, I have no beef with her. I have looked at Pasados site and haven't really found anything other than the original report from Q13 so it's really hard to tell if they are pursuing this actively as there have been many other actual cases of neglect/abuse since then, such as the foal with the ingrown halter into her nose.

So just so we are clear, I am not a miserable person. I am a good person that still believes there is still good in the world and that horrible things can happen to good people.So how does that make me a bad person???
Conway you are sad

Nordland, WA

#90 Aug 19, 2010
Conway wrote:
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I am sad? I'm not the one that feels I need to change my identity every post. I have been consistent in my opinions and have always stated them as just that, my opinions. I have never felt a need to bash or belittle anyone on here, just to stand by my point that accidents do happen.
I still do not know anyone in these forums other than through their posts. I do not know the driver or anyone involved, same as you. You choose to take one side and I choose to take the other. Your opinion is yours and just as you don't have to agree with my opinion, you don't have to agree with mine. I honestly hope you never have an accident and are subject to the vigilante justice that has occurred in this case.

Those of us that believe it was an accident have never stated we were glad this happened, quite the contrary. We have all shown our sympathy regarding this tragedy and we recognize it as just that, a tragedy. Nothing any of us do will bring that horse back or erase the memory of that day from the people that had to witness it. The driver will have to live with what happened long after the drag marks finally fade knowing that yes, by driving the vehicle, she cause this horse to die. Unfortunate circumstances and one fleeting moment can end in a horrible tragedy. In this case it was the trailer door coming open. This did not happen over a long period of time, this happened in a matter of a few horrible minutes. Your statement that she was a "morbid animal killer" would indicate that the horse was intentionally tied behind the trailer and dragged down the road after a trail ride with her friends. If I thought for a moment that is what happened I might be inclined to join the "driver is an idiot" club. Everything indicates that the door latch, for what ever reason, came open allowing the door to swing and the horse came out, the rest has been repeated many times in this forum.
Danielle is standing firm in her investigation and if that is what she believes she needs to do than good for her, I have no beef with her. I have looked at Pasados site and haven't really found anything other than the original report from Q13 so it's really hard to tell if they are pursuing this actively as there have been many other actual cases of neglect/abuse since then, such as the foal with the ingrown halter into her nose.
So just so we are clear, I am not a miserable person. I am a good person that still believes there is still good in the world and that horrible things can happen to good people.So how does that make me a bad person???
You are tryimg too hard to be a good person and protect someone that needs to redeem herself. I do not buy your BS.
Your person needs to come foreward admit her guilt tell the community that she made a horrible mistake and is suffering maybe even half the pain that the equine suffered. Why are you trying so hard to protect someone that does not feel remorse or guilt. There are those of us that have as much compassion for our other beings that inhapit this planet and then there are ??????????
Conway

United States

#91 Aug 19, 2010
Conway you are sad wrote:
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You are tryimg too hard to be a good person and protect someone that needs to redeem herself. I do not buy your BS.
Your person needs to come foreward admit her guilt tell the community that she made a horrible mistake and is suffering maybe even half the pain that the equine suffered. Why are you trying so hard to protect someone that does not feel remorse or guilt. There are those of us that have as much compassion for our other beings that inhapit this planet and then there are ??????????
How can you try to hard to be a good person? I'm not protecting anyone, especially since I don't know anyone involved, everything I know about the accident is from what I learned on here. Now if someone can prove with hard, factual evidence that she tied the horse to the back of the trailer and dragged the horse with the intent of killing it and upsetting the neighborhood, I might change my mind over what happened. Until then I will stick with my opinion that this was an accident.

My posts aren't about protecting the driver, I have said many times she will have to live with what happened the rest of her life. My issue is with vigilante justice and the guilty unless proven innocent mentality that is prevailing here.

It's the sue happy society that will end our ability to take our horses off our own property because no one will allow us on their property. We are dangerously close to losing the privilege of riding at the Pillchuck tree farm because people are intentionally riding their horses across the broken bridge (it's so bad its V shaped and very close to collapse), tearing down caution tape and Bridge Closed signs to cross it. I would be willing to bet the idiot who finally manages to collapse the bridge will sue the tree farm for their injuries, thus closing it down to the hundreds of people that use it weekly.

I agree people need to take responsibility for their actions but in this case it won't bring the horse back, it won't erase the image from those that saw it, it won't make this any less tragic. What it would do is expose her to a huge group of vigilantes that have threatened her life. So what does that solve? Nothing.
Conway you are sad

Nordland, WA

#92 Aug 20, 2010
You are wrong. People in this sad screwed up world need to get some balls and take reasponsibility for there actions what ever the consequences might be.
It is people like you that pretend everything is OK anything wrong in this world,lets just bury it and forget it ever happened. Thats why there is all the obeseity in this world which makes this country weak and unable to stand and fight to make it a better place. Lets just go stuff our faces and forget about all the tormented and starving people and animals in the world.
Skeptical Lucy

Portland, OR

#93 Aug 20, 2010
"You are Sad" I quite agree with you. The whole problem starts when people refuse to take responsibility for their actions and face appropriate consequences. What is happening instead is that wrongdoing is swept under the rug and everyone "pretends" that the wrongdoing a) didn't happen but b)if it did it wasn't wrong and c)if it happened and some people think it was wrong, there must be something wrong with THEM. This is how governments and the media became incredibly corrupt. FYI on the obesity issue - most obesity is an economic issue not a stuffing your face issue. Please google terms such as "food deserts" (NOT "desserts"), and "economics of obesity" esp. with regard to Americans and begin to question your current understanding which was really a lot of media-driven misconception which people had until some started to drill down to the real problems. A good place to start is to rent the DVD of the documentary "Food, Inc." and as well the (humorous/serious) documentary "Supersize Me." You are correct that physical problems lead to the kind of mindset that makes us as a nation weak - morally, physically and spiritually. Go start searching out "what's really going on" esp. the predatory behavior of the food industry generally and I can pretty much guarantee you that you will begin to rethink "stuff our faces" as the real issue.

Off topic but still very worthy of discussion. Perhaps a new thread???
Conway

United States

#94 Aug 20, 2010
Conway you are sad wrote:
You are wrong. People in this sad screwed up world need to get some balls and take reasponsibility for there actions what ever the consequences might be.
It is people like you that pretend everything is OK anything wrong in this world,lets just bury it and forget it ever happened. Thats why there is all the obeseity in this world which makes this country weak and unable to stand and fight to make it a better place. Lets just go stuff our faces and forget about all the tormented and starving people and animals in the world.
So let me see if I understand what you are saying here. Because the driver didn't immediately come forward and say she is sorry for the accidental dragging of her horse, and because there are a few people left that believe this was an accident, she/we are responsible for all the obesity in the world?

I'm not saying sweep it under the rug, Danielle is heading an investigation that will either prove/disprove that there was any wrong doing on the part of the driver. I'm perfectly ok with that. I certainly won't forget what happened and I don't have to look at the remnants of the dragging every day. If anything I have learned from this tragedy and am more aware of what is going on behind me when I am hauling than ever. I double check my locks/latches, my horses are tied on short trailer ties with emergency latches, I've double checked my floorboards and check the tires and hitch maybe a little more frequently than I did before this.

I've been hauling horses since I was 16 and I am now 42 so I'm not new to hauling horses by any means. I choose to learn from a tragedy that happened to another human being and pass the lesson on to others to always check and double check your rig.
You are lying

United States

#95 Aug 22, 2010
Conway wrote:
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So let me see if I understand what you are saying here. Because the driver didn't immediately come forward and say she is sorry for the accidental dragging of her horse, and because there are a few people left that believe this was an accident, she/we are responsible for all the obesity in the world?
I'm not saying sweep it under the rug, Danielle is heading an investigation that will either prove/disprove that there was any wrong doing on the part of the driver. I'm perfectly ok with that. I certainly won't forget what happened and I don't have to look at the remnants of the dragging every day. If anything I have learned from this tragedy and am more aware of what is going on behind me when I am hauling than ever. I double check my locks/latches, my horses are tied on short trailer ties with emergency latches, I've double checked my floorboards and check the tires and hitch maybe a little more frequently than I did before this.
I've been hauling horses since I was 16 and I am now 42 so I'm not new to hauling horses by any means. I choose to learn from a tragedy that happened to another human being and pass the lesson on to others to always check and double check your rig.
You know when you first started posting you were from TN. So you live on Grandview Rd or near by according to this you have to look at the remnants of the dragging everyday. So you do know the driver?
Conway

United States

#96 Aug 22, 2010
You are lying wrote:
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You know when you first started posting you were from TN. So you live on Grandview Rd or near by according to this you have to look at the remnants of the dragging everyday. So you do know the driver?
No, I'm not lying-Read further back. When I first posted it said as it does now, United States. It registered as TN when I had to switch to my laptop for a few days, now it is back to United States. There is no way to control where it says you are posting from, it's pretty random. Even Danielle has different locations depending on which computer she is on. I have never posted as anything other than Conway.

No, I don't live on Grandview. I have never stated as such and have never commented that I have to look at the remnants every day. I have never seen the remnants and never stated that I have seen them. Until a few weeks ago I hadn't even been to the tree farm in several months.

No, I still do not know the driver, who she is, or anyone that personally knows her.

As usual all of your evidence is based on wild speculation.
Jim

United States

#97 Aug 23, 2010
Conway wrote:
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How can you try to hard to be a good person? I'm not protecting anyone, especially since I don't know anyone involved, everything I know about the accident is from what I learned on here. Now if someone can prove with hard, factual evidence that she tied the horse to the back of the trailer and dragged the horse with the intent of killing it and upsetting the neighborhood, I might change my mind over what happened. Until then I will stick with my opinion that this was an accident.
My posts aren't about protecting the driver, I have said many times she will have to live with what happened the rest of her life. My issue is with vigilante justice and the guilty unless proven innocent mentality that is prevailing here.
It's the sue happy society that will end our ability to take our horses off our own property because no one will allow us on their property. We are dangerously close to losing the privilege of riding at the Pillchuck tree farm because people are intentionally riding their horses across the broken bridge (it's so bad its V shaped and very close to collapse), tearing down caution tape and Bridge Closed signs to cross it. I would be willing to bet the idiot who finally manages to collapse the bridge will sue the tree farm for their injuries, thus closing it down to the hundreds of people that use it weekly.
I agree people need to take responsibility for their actions but in this case it won't bring the horse back, it won't erase the image from those that saw it, it won't make this any less tragic. What it would do is expose her to a huge group of vigilantes that have threatened her life. So what does that solve? Nothing.
Hey you bigshot if you are so worried about that bridge why don't take time away from your guilty friend, daughter, mother, neice whatever crusade and fix it. Talk about off the subject. My guess is you had a horse fall out of a trailer when you were high or drunk and got away with it too. The other two in the vehicle are just as guilty as the driver if they knew what was going on and they did nothing. One of those people need to step up and you need to shutup.
Danielle

Wenatchee, WA

#98 Aug 23, 2010
jlm wrote:
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DANIELLE why must you try to sound like you are someone important.you know jack crap..the off duty officer was not called by someone, he was driving down the road on his way home..he didn't get out to help someone he knew, he got out because he is a good person regardless of what his job title is.and numerous people that saw the vehichle towing the trailer say it is a durango..which is classified as a SUV..so get your story straight. i am no relation to the montgomerys and if you open a phone book you will see that many last names start with a M not just that one..your detective skills suck danielle.how is pasado's case going? and if you are going to be allowed to sue the city ,which i do not know what city ,over this accident well then a whole new scenario of worms will be opened.every time someone witnesses a accident on the freeway they can then sue because someone didn't drive careful enough...lol..get real people you are all just sue happy..
Thank you Janice.
jlm

Marysville, WA

#99 Aug 23, 2010
danielle why would you say thank you janice when i posted that..you are goofy .
Dont forget the horse

Mountlake Terrace, WA

#100 Aug 23, 2010
Janice & Co still attempting damage control!

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