Two inmates charged in jail stabbing

Two inmates charged in jail stabbing

There are 16 comments on the The Santa Fe New Mexican story from Oct 9, 2008, titled Two inmates charged in jail stabbing. In it, The Santa Fe New Mexican reports that:

Two Santa Fe County jail inmates were charged Thursday in connection with the stabbing of a fellow inmate early Wednesday morning, according to court documents.

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anon

Santa Fe, NM

#1 Oct 10, 2008
Department of Justice really needs to evaluate the conditions of the Santa Fe County Jail and decide whether the county can really handle the control that it takes to run a facility. The administrators obviously do not know how to handle the facility. ex. the suicides, overdoses, stabbings, deaths...this is getting rediculous. I think a change of administrative staff is in order. or complete take-over of the jail by another agency. LIVES ARE IN DANGER.
Cowboy

Santa Fe, NM

#2 Oct 10, 2008
You blame the county for the suicides, overdoses, stabbings, saying they cant handle the facility. Jail administrators are not there to babysit these criminals that choose to do wrong. Put the blame on the criminals themselves. "LIVES ARE IN DANGER" what about the lives of the public? If these people will try to kill in jail, what makes you think they won't kill outside of it. What got them put in jail in the first place? I think once you're convicted of a crime,a public hanging is the way for justice to be served. Why pay millions of dollars to keep these criminals locked up to continue there evil ways.
Justice

Florence, AL

#3 Oct 10, 2008
Cowboy, you are still living in the 19th Century! These jails are dangerous, and they are being run by underqualified,'power tripped' individuals, that do not know the first thing about humanity. People who commit crimes still have civil rights, that's the beauty of America. If you don't like it there's a bordor not too far from here! Asta la vista, Lone Ranger.
Cowboy

Santa Fe, NM

#4 Oct 10, 2008
Justice wrote:
Cowboy, you are still living in the 19th Century! These jails are dangerous, and they are being run by underqualified,'power tripped' individuals, that do not know the first thing about humanity. People who commit crimes still have civil rights, that's the beauty of America. If you don't like it there's a bordor not too far from here! Asta la vista, Lone Ranger.


You say the "power tripped" individuals know nothing about humanity. The criminals who cause harm to others don't know the first thing about humanity, thats why they do what they do.I bet if it was you're son or daughter that got stabbed you would want those bastards dead,(I would). The jail administration has nothing to do with why these people are behind bars, it's there own doing. Why is everyone blaming the system for these individuals actions?
anon

Santa Fe, NM

#5 Oct 10, 2008
Cowboy wrote:
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You say the "power tripped" individuals know nothing about humanity. The criminals who cause harm to others don't know the first thing about humanity, thats why they do what they do.I bet if it was you're son or daughter that got stabbed you would want those **** dead,(I would). The jail administration has nothing to do with why these people are behind bars, it's there own doing. Why is everyone blaming the system for these individuals actions?
The administration is there to teach the officers how to deal with these inmates and protect themselves and other inmates from the things that happen. It is not anyone to say who deserves it or doesn't. The problem is not WHY they are behind bars, cowboy, but the fact that they are, and that they are not all violent offenders. No one deserves to be stabbed. These inmates are in jail because they did something wrong. but it is also the jails responsibility to protect the public and the staff of the jail. No one is protected because of all the drugs that are let into the facility, the inmates who escape by walking out the front door, or running from their outside duty. it is the jail administrations duty to protect their officers that work under them, by keeping out drugs. protecting the inmates from the violent offenders. Cowboy, it seems to me that you may be in an administrative duty and are shamed by the lack of responsibility that is being taken here. Inmates cannot be stripped searched. They are given a jumper and let inside a room to change. That is where the drugs are first being brought in. The jail does not take pictures of tattoos. How are the officers to know who is in what gang, and how to protect the other inmates from eachother.
Let me put this simply for Cowboy and others who do not understand the way a facility works:
The inmates put themselves there. Yes they deserve less than what they actually get. Too much money and time is WASTED on these people.
Administration has changed the rules of the facility in such ways that it has become a danger to EVERYONE. including the public. watch out public. It is only to get worse. Who do you think they are around when they get out? YOU!
anon

Santa Fe, NM

#6 Oct 10, 2008
Oh! and who do you think runs the facility?????
THE INMATES.
You're lying to yourself if you think it's any different. If you don't believe it...try working there.
Shut your mouth until you have experienced these things first hand. and actually have something real to say.
ane

Sterling Heights, MI

#7 Oct 10, 2008
It is the mission to provide a safe environment for all inmates and keep the community safe. People do strange things all the time, sometimes violent. If someone you loved was in danger, you would most likely fight. If you were threatened, you would most likely defend yourself. Right? How is it any different? Inmates are not ignorant people, they have goals like anyone else, they don't all have to be self-empowering, either.
Street fights happen all the time and are easily kept quiet to the public, fights under spotlights tend to be only black and white.

Something I wish is for people is to just be educated in the things which scare them. Fear in people only transcends into unresolved anger.
peace

Broken Arrow, OK

#8 Oct 11, 2008
Nobody deserves to be stabbed! I have visited the jail, and most of the staff with some exceptions act worse then the inmates. This tells me they are no better off in God's eyes. How are weapons not found in a secure facility is what I want to know? This incident has opened up a can of worms, and a lawsuit is definitely in order!

“You probably already know me.”

Since: Sep 08

Santa Fe

#9 Oct 11, 2008
The inmates do not run the facility, and that premise is laughable at best. One of the biggest problems at that containment center is the fact that a large minority of the people kept there are actually mentally ill. Yet the facility doesn't have the knowledgable staffing or expertise to keep these people in check enough to avoid major "accidents".
LHT

Dahlonega, GA

#10 Oct 12, 2008
An inmate such as the stabbing victim doesn't deserve to suffer what he has just gone through because someone decides that "inmates got themselves there" and now they need to live in the worst fear ever. You say too much money is being spent on them. Get this. One guard walking the "horseshoe" approx. 50 ft. outside glass panels looking into four pods each with 24 men. A total of 96 inmates to one guard, who by the way isn't tied to his post. He leaves it every now and then. Then there's the "alpha control" guard who sits at the monitors with his back to the pods inside this horseshoe. He too is there supposdly to keep watch but his post is vacant about 40-50% of the time. If a fight breaks out in any pod and the guard doing foot duty is not there, then how are these prisoners being protected? They aren't to put it simply. I wouldn't want to see the terrified look on an inmate's face if and when he gets attacked which is a common occurrence at SF Co. Detention Center. The Administration needs to assure that guards keep their posts 100% of the time and revisit the idea of one guard watching 96 men. I don't know how long the shifts are, but I know for myself, I couldn't last long. That's probably why they leave their posts constantly. Many inmates have families, and I'm sure they don't want to know what actually goes on in a facility with such an archaic supervisory system. It's no wonder there's a shortage of guards. You couldn't get me to work under those conditins. In other NM facilities guards are inside the glass panels ready to quell a disturbance, call for backup, spray mace, do whatever he can to stop serious injury or death to those victims who are attacked in cold-blood. Drugs run rampant and people seem so nonchalant about this. Again, we hear "well, the inmates got themselves in there. It's their fault. Throw them into the pit and forget about 'em." But if we the public don't get involved and speak up our loved ones, who by the way are innocent until proven guilty, are susceptible to the whims of gang leaders, etc. These men are ruthless and anyone who says they don't run things in there, haven't lived long enough to know the truth. They have backing from unlikely sources. They get weapons from unlikely sources. And they get drugs through unlikely sources. Wake up. We are Americans. We need to take control away from the mobsters. And yes, many will get out of jail and prison and come back to live among us. Think about it. We can't afford to not think about the treatment prisoners are receiving. Let's not blame each other. It's the system and we've got to change it in order to get control and humane treatment for all God's children.
LHT

Dahlonega, GA

#11 Oct 12, 2008
Sam Atakra wrote:
The inmates do not run the facility, and that premise is laughable at best. One of the biggest problems at that containment center is the fact that a large minority of the people kept there are actually mentally ill. Yet the facility doesn't have the knowledgable staffing or expertise to keep these people in check enough to avoid major "accidents".

Mentally ill--yes, probably many who are behavior disordered, a type of mental illness. Knowlegeable staffing and expertise or adequate supervision and humane treatment. Building facilities that don't institutionalize and degrade, but allow for a certain amount of respect and dignity, rehabilitation, or at best, education. Visit some of the newer public schools around New Mexico and probably around the United States. They resemble detention centers in many ways. These so-called architects are "mass-producing facilities" to house vast numbers. Never mind the human aspect.
LHT

Dahlonega, GA

#12 Oct 12, 2008
peace wrote:
Nobody deserves to be stabbed! I have visited the jail, and most of the staff with some exceptions act worse then the inmates. This tells me they are no better off in God's eyes. How are weapons not found in a secure facility is what I want to know? This incident has opened up a can of worms, and a lawsuit is definitely in order!
Jail personnel claim they reacted quickly and had they not, more serious consequences may have occurred. The stabbing victim had time to get stabbed at least 6 times that we know of, walk down a flight of stairs on his own and collapse. Tell me, where were the guards and "how" did their reactions time prevent "more serious consequences?" I agree that a lawsuit is in order. Hopefully, it will permanently change supervision methods in order to prevent future occurrences.
arnulfo

Lubbock, TX

#13 Oct 13, 2008
it all smell's another way to cover it up or put it on someone else. but call it for what its worth. more will die and more will go to gain its our system. live with it.
BDK

Santa Fe, NM

#14 Oct 13, 2008
Hey COWBOY,I dont know who you are,but i would have your back as you would mine, to protect our loved ones. It seems like the nerve you struck is attached to the ones who are somehow attached to the "inside" not the outside. Is there a problem , yes, but the argument of human rights, for a violent crime individual,not the petty criminal is something I dont need to hear> Public lynching for a guilty Violent crime act, absolutely.
former employee

Albuquerque, NM

#15 Oct 14, 2008
As a former employee, I am the only one who can speak on these matters at hand providing facts. Everyone else just has opinons. The staff there are qualified to run the facility. Each jailer that I had the privilege to work with are qualified indiviuals that go through extensive training on a annual basis. Sure there have been questionable staff, but majority of them are great at what they do. For the criminals that are apprehended and booked, remember these are the same criminals that are habitual offenders. I would constantly watch time and time again why they would be incarcerated, and it's for the same reason why they were there the first time. So it's not the staff but rather the choices and behaviors of the offenders while they are in detention.
How does

Los Alamos, NM

#16 Oct 14, 2008
alcohol, heroin and weapons get past you "qualified workers?"

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