Slated for closure, Mission Santa Cru...

Slated for closure, Mission Santa Cruz to stay open under new deal

There are 8 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Apr 14, 2012, titled Slated for closure, Mission Santa Cruz to stay open under new deal. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

State and local officials announced a deal Saturday to keep the historic Mission Santa Cruz open for the next three years, saving the county's oldest building from becoming a casualty of the state budget.

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DBS

Sunol, CA

#1 Apr 14, 2012
The Mission is one of my favorite places to visit! SO inspirational, and the perfect place for an educational picnic!! I feel at one with this sacred space.
native Californian

United States

#2 Apr 15, 2012
Historic space, yes. Sacred space? I don't think so. This mission, like all the rest, was built by slave labor. The Spanish enslaved the Natives and worked them almost to extinction under the guise of "saving their souls".
DBS

Sunol, CA

#3 Apr 15, 2012
native Californian wrote:
Historic space, yes. Sacred space? I don't think so. This mission, like all the rest, was built by slave labor. The Spanish enslaved the Natives and worked them almost to extinction under the guise of "saving their souls".
I was drunk when I typed that.
Shuddup Colbykook

San Jose, CA

#4 Apr 15, 2012
DBS wrote:
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I was drunk when I typed that.
Wrong again creep!
far beyond the sun

Santa Cruz, CA

#5 Apr 15, 2012
native Californian wrote:
Historic space, yes. Sacred space? I don't think so. This mission, like all the rest, was built by slave labor. The Spanish enslaved the Natives and worked them almost to extinction under the guise of "saving their souls".
A real "native Californian" would also understand that under the original Franciscan order as installed by Spain, the mission and the lands around it was to become property of the neophytes, administered by the church but belonging to the natives. Mexico's secularization of the mission system and its sale as private property stripped the natives of any rights they previously were accorded, along with evicting them from mission housing and eliminating the sustenance and employment that many of them since had since become dependent on after having their natural resources altered and way of life changed for the worse.

Spanish enslavement gave way to an equal, if not worse Mexican theft of their then-acknowledged rights and property. A misguided and terrible attempt to "save their souls" beginning in the 1700s was replaced by outright theft and greed as ordered by Mexico in the mid 1830s.
Dave

San Jose, CA

#6 Apr 15, 2012
far beyond the sun wrote:
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A real "native Californian" would also understand that under the original Franciscan order as installed by Spain, the mission and the lands around it was to become property of the neophytes, administered by the church but belonging to the natives. Mexico's secularization of the mission system and its sale as private property stripped the natives of any rights they previously were accorded, along with evicting them from mission housing and eliminating the sustenance and employment that many of them since had since become dependent on after having their natural resources altered and way of life changed for the worse.
Spanish enslavement gave way to an equal, if not worse Mexican theft of their then-acknowledged rights and property. A misguided and terrible attempt to "save their souls" beginning in the 1700s was replaced by outright theft and greed as ordered by Mexico in the mid 1830s.
Then why have all the Mexicans(who aren't supposed to be in the US) decided that we stole California from them?
John Colby- PhDud

Palo Alto, CA

#7 Apr 15, 2012
DBS wrote:
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I was drunk when I typed that.
I was overwhelmed by meth fumes. I'm OK now. A couple of hits from my kitty litter bong and I'll get back to stalking DBS.
far beyond the sun

Santa Cruz, CA

#8 Apr 15, 2012
Dave wrote:
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Then why have all the Mexicans(who aren't supposed to be in the US) decided that we stole California from them?
They are largely ignorant of facts, namely that California was only "governed" by Mexico for 25 years, barely at that, and historical revisionists teach them that Aztecs were indigenous to California instead of a place hundreds if not thousands of miles away.

Every time someone spouts the old "b-bub-but California used to be Mexico!" line, tell them, "yes, but only before a brief period of time, and before that it was ruled by the Spanish, had been claimed by the English, in places had colonial settlements left by the Russians, and was originally settled by its own native groups, not those native to what we know know as Mexico proper."

Mexicans can claim a birthright to California only when they let the English, Spanish, and Russians do the same, and only after they understand that California's own native Americans, not the Aztec or Mayans were here long before any of the other groups were.

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