Man accused of hacking into county computers speaks in Santa Cruz, says he's innocent

There are 16 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Oct 1, 2011, titled Man accused of hacking into county computers speaks in Santa Cruz, says he's innocent. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

A homeless activist facing federal charges for allegedly hacking Santa Cruz County computers in December is out of custody.

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Line Drawing

Santa Cruz, CA

#23 Oct 14, 2011
Becky Johnson wrote:
DONNY B WRITES: "you say the DDOS attack "was a warning shot across the bow". You say that like you participated in the planning and execution of the event."
BECKY: Actually, that is what CHRIS DOYON said at his press conference.
DONNY B WRITES: "IN ANOTHER FORUM, YOU SAID: "No one needed to intervene or act at all."
OH really???? The County systems are attacked...
BECKY: I don't call it an "attack". I call it a cyber-incident. What HAPPENED is that for 30 minutes, the County's website had so many hits that it was temporarily disabled. Sometimes VISA goes down just before Christmas for the same reason: too many hits all at once. Is that illegal? I don't think so.
DONNY B WRITES: "... and no one needs to react at all??? That's like saying that if you were being physically attacked by an assailant, there would be no need for anyone to intervene."
BECKY: Except that no one DID "need to intervene." And no PERSON was harmed.
DONNY B WRITES: "IN ANOTHER FORUM, YOU SAID: "All systems returned to normal on their own." And how would you know that????
BECKY: Information Services Director Kevin Bowling said it in the SENTINEL the next day. see: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_16881435...
DONNY B WRITES: IN ANOTHER FORUM, YOU SAID: "Hence, the "damage" was so minimal it didn't COST any money, didn't DAMAGE any software or hardware."
Again, how would you know that???
BECKY: "They're not causing any damage." --Kevin Bowling Dec 17 2010-SC SENTINEL
How idiotic. Would you like to be spam attacked, disabling your email and internet access? Please.

It was VANDALISM. He took the bows for it. Are you justifying cyber vandalism as political strategy in Santa Cruz?

What was the political accomplishment? Were more endeared to your cause? Please explain how you justify this act.
Craig

New York, NY

#24 Oct 14, 2011
Becky Johnson wrote:
BECKY: I don't call it an "attack". I call it a cyber-incident.
Nobody cares what YOU call it, BECKY.

As far as the Federal Government is concerned that act is classified as cyber terrorism.

If someone is pulled over for speeding they can't say to the officer "I don't call it speeding. I call it being in a hurry. And besides, no one was injured and nothing was damaged. So don't give me the ticket". That person would still get the ticket.
Craig

New York, NY

#25 Oct 14, 2011
Becky Johnson wrote:
BECKY: What HAPPENED is that for 30 minutes, the County's website had so many hits that it was temporarily disabled. Sometimes VISA goes down just before Christmas for the same reason: too many hits all at once. Is that illegal? I don't think so.
Twisting the truth again, BECKY.

The two situations are not remotely the same. If Visa goes down at Christmas it is because too many people are trying to use the system at the same time FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES. Those people are also paying fees to use that service. They are not trying to crash the system on purpose, causing delays and possible financial loss. If it was up to them they would prefer that the system NOT go down.

Doyon, on the other hand, purposefully tried to crash the county system with the intention of causing delays and inconvenience. It wasn't something that just happened by coincidence. And he went to a lot of trouble to make that happen.

The Visa scenario is not illegal. The Doyon incident is illegal.
another_voice

Foster City, CA

#26 Oct 14, 2011
Becky Johnson wrote:
DONNY B WRITES: "you say the DDOS attack "was a warning shot across the bow". You say that like you participated in the planning and execution of the event."
BECKY: Actually, that is what CHRIS DOYON said at his press conference.
DONNY B WRITES: "IN ANOTHER FORUM, YOU SAID: "No one needed to intervene or act at all."
OH really???? The County systems are attacked...
BECKY: I don't call it an "attack". I call it a cyber-incident. What HAPPENED is that for 30 minutes, the County's website had so many hits that it was temporarily disabled. Sometimes VISA goes down just before Christmas for the same reason: too many hits all at once. Is that illegal? I don't think so.
DONNY B WRITES: "... and no one needs to react at all??? That's like saying that if you were being physically attacked by an assailant, there would be no need for anyone to intervene."
BECKY: Except that no one DID "need to intervene." And no PERSON was harmed.
DONNY B WRITES: "IN ANOTHER FORUM, YOU SAID: "All systems returned to normal on their own." And how would you know that????
BECKY: Information Services Director Kevin Bowling said it in the SENTINEL the next day. see: http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_16881435...
DONNY B WRITES: IN ANOTHER FORUM, YOU SAID: "Hence, the "damage" was so minimal it didn't COST any money, didn't DAMAGE any software or hardware."
Again, how would you know that???
BECKY: "They're not causing any damage." --Kevin Bowling Dec 17 2010-SC SENTINEL
So what you're really saying is that Doyon's DDOS attack was a complete and utter failure. After all, according to you, it had no lasting impact on the current state of affairs in Santa Cruz.

Sounds a lot like every other HUFF activity.
Buzz

Capitola, CA

#27 Oct 14, 2011
Craig wrote:
<quoted text>
Twisting the truth again, BECKY.
The two situations are not remotely the same. If Visa goes down at Christmas it is because too many people are trying to use the system at the same time FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES. Those people are also paying fees to use that service. They are not trying to crash the system on purpose, causing delays and possible financial loss. If it was up to them they would prefer that the system NOT go down.
Doyon, on the other hand, purposefully tried to crash the county system with the intention of causing delays and inconvenience. It wasn't something that just happened by coincidence. And he went to a lot of trouble to make that happen.
The Visa scenario is not illegal. The Doyon incident is illegal.
By any chance was BJ's degree at UCSC in the History of Cluelessness? If so, it goes a long way to explain her lack of success in the workplace and inability to find a job with a living wage.
ITR

Santa Cruz, CA

#28 Oct 14, 2011
Criminals are adept at rationalizing their crimes.

“Pearls before swine”

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA.

#29 Oct 30, 2011
LINE DRAWING WRITES: "How idiotic. Would you like to be spam attacked, disabling your email and internet access? Please. It was VANDALISM. He took the bows for it. Are you justifying cyber vandalism as political strategy in Santa Cruz?"

BECKY: I'm not sure that any "crime" has actually occurred. Is it illegal if too many people show up for all the chairs in a restaurant? Did I support this tactic? No. I didn't. And I said so at the time.

LINE DRAWING WRITES: What was the political accomplishment? Were more endeared to your cause? Please explain how you justify this act.

BECKY: On the plus side, it caused/will cause national publicity about our anti-sleeping laws. It also gives County admin. pause as it might escalate to a wikileaks-type situation, which I doubt they want. Power never concedes anything without a demand.

On the negative side, there was no democratic process used before launching this tactic that I am aware of, and it tends to undermine support for the hearts and minds of the community, something Peace Camp 2010 always sought to win.

“Pearls before swine”

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA.

#30 Oct 30, 2011
ANOTHER VOICE WRITES: "So what you're really saying is that Doyon's DDOS attack was a complete and utter failure. After all, according to you, it had no lasting impact on the current state of affairs in Santa Cruz.
Sounds a lot like every other HUFF activity."

BECKY: It wasn't a HUFF activity. It was ANONYMOUS. HUFF's involvement with the internet is a badly-maintained website. And I described it as " a shot across the bow" rather than an attack. No damage. No expense. No damage to County data. No individual person harmed.

“Pearls before swine”

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA.

#31 Oct 30, 2011
CRAIG WRITES: "The two situations are not remotely the same. If Visa goes down at Christmas it is because too many people are trying to use the system at the same time FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES. Those people are also paying fees to use that service. They are not trying to crash the system on purpose, causing delays and possible financial loss. If it was up to them they would prefer that the system NOT go down."

BECKY: Sure. But is it CRIMINAL for people to log onto a PUBLIC website for the wrong reasons? What a can of worms you are trying to open! A crime for THINKING "I'll make this site crash. I'll make this site crash." That is totally unenforceable and falls into the realm of arresting to prevent future crime. And the PUBLIC does pay for the site, with taxes paid for by the same people. So I don't get your point.

CRAIG WRITES: Doyon, on the other hand, purposefully tried to crash the county system with the intention of causing delays and inconvenience. It wasn't something that just happened by coincidence. And he went to a lot of trouble to make that happen.The Visa scenario is not illegal. The Doyon incident is illegal.

BECKY: Yet, in both cases, the behavior was the same. Here is what I think: Call a cop when someone is ACTUALLY harmed. Until then...welcome to the new millennium.
Donny B

Fairfax, VA

#32 Oct 30, 2011
Becky the FRAUD Johnson wrote:
BJ SPEWS:...Here is what I think: Call a cop when someone is ACTUALLY harmed. Until then...welcome to the new millennium.
So, BJ.... you're saying that in the case of the fruiting of your tailpipe you shouldn't have called police? After all, nobody was actually harmed.
Craig

New York, NY

#33 Oct 30, 2011
Becky Johnson wrote:
CRAIG WRITES: "The two situations are not remotely the same. If Visa goes down at Christmas it is because too many people are trying to use the system at the same time FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES. Those people are also paying fees to use that service. They are not trying to crash the system on purpose, causing delays and possible financial loss. If it was up to them they would prefer that the system NOT go down."
BECKY: Sure. But is it CRIMINAL for people to log onto a PUBLIC website for the wrong reasons? What a can of worms you are trying to open! A crime for THINKING "I'll make this site crash. I'll make this site crash." That is totally unenforceable and falls into the realm of arresting to prevent future crime. And the PUBLIC does pay for the site, with taxes paid for by the same people. So I don't get your point.
CRAIG WRITES: Doyon, on the other hand, purposefully tried to crash the county system with the intention of causing delays and inconvenience. It wasn't something that just happened by coincidence. And he went to a lot of trouble to make that happen.The Visa scenario is not illegal. The Doyon incident is illegal.
BECKY: Yet, in both cases, the behavior was the same. Here is what I think: Call a cop when someone is ACTUALLY harmed. Until then...welcome to the new millennium.
Please be honest, BECKY.

Did you "medicate" before writing that?
Donny B

Fairfax, VA

#34 Oct 30, 2011
Craig wrote:
<quoted text>
Please be honest, BECKY.
Did you "medicate" before writing that?
"Medicated" or not, it's just standard BJ BS.
Donny B

Fairfax, VA

#35 Oct 30, 2011
Becky Johnson wrote:
LINE DRAWING WRITES: "How idiotic. Would you like to be spam attacked, disabling your email and internet access? Please. It was VANDALISM. He took the bows for it. Are you justifying cyber vandalism as political strategy in Santa Cruz?"
BECKY: I'm not sure that any "crime" has actually occurred. Is it illegal if too many people show up for all the chairs in a restaurant? Did I support this tactic? No. I didn't. And I said so at the time.
LINE DRAWING WRITES: What was the political accomplishment? Were more endeared to your cause? Please explain how you justify this act.
BECKY: On the plus side, it caused/will cause national publicity about our anti-sleeping laws. It also gives County admin. pause as it might escalate to a wikileaks-type situation, which I doubt they want. Power never concedes anything without a demand.
On the negative side, there was no democratic process used before launching this tactic that I am aware of, and it tends to undermine support for the hearts and minds of the community, something Peace Camp 2010 always sought to win.
See post 28 above.
Donny B

Fairfax, VA

#36 Oct 30, 2011
Becky Johnson wrote:
ANOTHER VOICE WRITES: "So what you're really saying is that Doyon's DDOS attack was a complete and utter failure. After all, according to you, it had no lasting impact on the current state of affairs in Santa Cruz.
Sounds a lot like every other HUFF activity."
BECKY: It wasn't a HUFF activity. It was ANONYMOUS. HUFF's involvement with the internet is a badly-maintained website. And I described it as " a shot across the bow" rather than an attack. No damage. No expense. No damage to County data. No individual person harmed.
See post 28 above.
Donny B

Fairfax, VA

#37 Oct 30, 2011
Becky Johnson wrote:
CRAIG WRITES: "The two situations are not remotely the same. If Visa goes down at Christmas it is because too many people are trying to use the system at the same time FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES. Those people are also paying fees to use that service. They are not trying to crash the system on purpose, causing delays and possible financial loss. If it was up to them they would prefer that the system NOT go down."
BECKY: Sure. But is it CRIMINAL for people to log onto a PUBLIC website for the wrong reasons? What a can of worms you are trying to open! A crime for THINKING "I'll make this site crash. I'll make this site crash." That is totally unenforceable and falls into the realm of arresting to prevent future crime. And the PUBLIC does pay for the site, with taxes paid for by the same people. So I don't get your point.
CRAIG WRITES: Doyon, on the other hand, purposefully tried to crash the county system with the intention of causing delays and inconvenience. It wasn't something that just happened by coincidence. And he went to a lot of trouble to make that happen.The Visa scenario is not illegal. The Doyon incident is illegal.
BECKY: Yet, in both cases, the behavior was the same. Here is what I think: Call a cop when someone is ACTUALLY harmed. Until then...welcome to the new millennium.
See post 28 above.
Done and Done

Davis, CA

#38 Oct 31, 2011
Becky Johnson wrote:
BECKY:Here is what I think: Call a cop when someone is ACTUALLY harmed. Until then...welcome to the new millennium.
So, you admit that shoving a pear in your car's tailpipe shouldn't yield a call to law enforcement. Or, wait, it's now pieces of pear, no? Per the course of your usual discourse, that story has now changed.

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