Inspection prevents Habitat for Humanity from opening re-store

Aug 22, 2013 Full story: KOB-TV New Mexico 40

Organizers were planning to open a re-store to sell gently used furniture and items that can be used for homes.

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Atomic Cafe

Farmington, NM

#1 Aug 22, 2013
The government will halt progress any way it can. Even if it means putting a charity out of business.
I guess

Pasadena, CA

#2 Aug 22, 2013
Atomic Cafe wrote:
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Cary prefers Bangladesh fire code enforcement.
Ben Dover

Farmington, NM

#3 Aug 22, 2013
I guess wrote:
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Cary prefers Bangladesh fire code enforcement.
You liberals are all alike. You talk about helping people, and then cheer the government on when they shut down charity. They probably closed the place because it didn't have wheelchair access in the bathroom.

You are all a bunch of lying hypocrites. Ever been the Goodwill Store in Santa Fe? How about Habitat for Humanity in Durango, Colorado? Do you even support charity? Probably not. We all know liberals don't help charities, you expect the government to do it all.
Atomic Cafe

Farmington, NM

#4 Aug 22, 2013
Ben Dover wrote:
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You liberals are all alike. You talk about helping people, and then cheer the government on when they shut down charity. They probably closed the place because it didn't have wheelchair access in the bathroom.
You are all a bunch of lying hypocrites. Ever been the Goodwill Store in Santa Fe? How about Habitat for Humanity in Durango, Colorado? Do you even support charity? Probably not. We all know liberals don't help charities, you expect the government to do it all.
You've got that right. To a liberal/progressive, nothing is legitimate unless it's government-approved, or actually run by the government. Liberals just can't understand people being able to take of anything WITHOUT government help, or interference.
More

Santa Fe, NM

#5 Aug 22, 2013
Ben Dover wrote:
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lies and BS nonsense BS from AC/BD.

Nobody is cheering anything. Charities are supported by everyone. Obviously anybody involved in the building trades knows you need to do your homework, get permits and required inspections and know what you are doing before committing resources.
Ben Dover

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Aug 22, 2013
More wrote:
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lies and BS nonsense BS from AC/BD.
Nobody is cheering anything. Charities are supported by everyone. Obviously anybody involved in the building trades knows you need to do your homework, get permits and required inspections and know what you are doing before committing resources.
Sorry dear, the folks who run the Habitat for Humanity Stores are in the thrift store business, not "in the building trades". Ever hear of Jimmy Carter? Is he "in the building trades" because he helps build houses for Habitat for Humanity? Do you expect Tom Udall to be able to build his office just because he sits in one?

The building for the thrift store was already built, and was rented by Habitat for Humanity for the thrift store. They weren't building it themselves, you idiot. I'm sure if they were going to be using it for a wedding chapel for gay marriages, you'd be crying about what bigots the Farmington authorities are, because that's what hypocritical jerks like you do.
Why Dat

Farmington, NM

#7 Aug 22, 2013
THE STORY SAYS:
But after an inspection with the fire marshal, they found out the building wasn't up to code.

They also found out it didn't fit Habitat for Humanity's standards for a re-store.

Builders, Owners, people who lease buildings commonly have a pre-walk thru with inspection team to see if the old beat-up neglected building,(ready to collapse) will conform to their use requirements. Most of the time building owners will invest money to bring these old beat up buildings to current safety codes. We do this all the time. People seem to think that just because a building is for lease, that it is structurally sound and will work for any business. Some building owners could care less, all they want is money. They will find some unsuspecting RUBE to lease it and convince them they are doing them a favor. See it all the time.

Read the second line, they (the charity)were looking at a existing building that did not even meet their own standards.
Has nothing to do with "The Evil Government"

Take all your anti government crap and fear mongering and stuff it. YOU ARE THE GOVERMENT.
Why Dat

Farmington, NM

#8 Aug 22, 2013
And I am sure the current building owner that leased it to the charity told them quite a story, promised them the world that any type of business could open is his beat up piece of crap building.
Just for money.
I think I have been in that building, isn't that a old apple shed that they polished just the skin? Should have been torn down 20 years ago.
quit

Santa Fe, NM

#9 Aug 22, 2013
Ben Dover wrote:
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lying. Habitat builds houses. They know that you can't build without permits and inspections.
Ben Dover

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Aug 22, 2013
Why Dat wrote:
And I am sure the current building owner that leased it to the charity told them quite a story, promised them the world that any type of business could open is his beat up piece of crap building.
Just for money.
I think I have been in that building, isn't that a old apple shed that they polished just the skin? Should have been torn down 20 years ago.
Sure, like all liberals, you make out the big bad landlord as the money grubbing businessman bad guy. Ever been to the Habitat for Humanity store in Durango, Colorado? It's in an industrial warehouse, and a lot of their stuff is outside. Charities cannot afford Wal-Mart like digs..in fact, for most charity thrift stores, that would be a waste of money. You leftist jackasses talk a good game, like you want to help people, but when it comes down to it, you always want the other guy to help people, and the government has the final word, and you non-thinking morons support it. I not only read the article, but watched the video..it's word for word the same thing as the article. The Farmington director of Habitat for Humanity sez that it's frustrating for charities without much money to have have to jump through the same hoops as any other business. it's a thrift store. And I don't care if they open it in an apple shed, an old house, or whatever. Sorry we're not all as stuck-up and self important as you lefties. I'm not too good to shop in an old apple shed.
Ben Dover

Albuquerque, NM

#11 Aug 22, 2013
quit wrote:
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lying. Habitat builds houses. They know that you can't build without permits and inspections.
Quit lying, you know retail store managers don't need to know construction codes. Neither do the managers of charities.

Your just covering your big-government supporting ass. Ironic that you are standing up for the conservative Republicans who run Farmington and San Juan County. Maybe your reaction is knee jerk? Bwaaaahaaahaaahaaahaa!
Why Dat

Farmington, NM

#12 Aug 22, 2013
As building inspection keeps telling me, government does not make codes that they enforce for compliance, codes are adopted and voted by the people.

Building codes are created by past peoples deaths.
if a situation kills to many people, codes are modified.

Now I am sure that BD and AC have removed all the safety features (code compliance) from their homes and business's that have been required by the EVIL GOVERMENT.

Matter of fact you guys can remove them.

I will help you be totally free from big government regulation.

I will help you regain you lost liberty.

Its real easy. You can sell them.

I will help you. for free.

But, we must remove all of them to be truly free and not lose our liberty.

I'm ready. I will make a list and have all my tools ready. When we are done we can watch FOX news.

I do not have a license, but we don't need that kind of crap either.

And the best part is, after we are done nobody can make you put them back, code is working for you.

P.S. Durango Habitat building meets code for that building classification. That's why it is open. Same basic code adoption by same kind of people.

What

Santa Fe, NM

#13 Aug 22, 2013
Ben Dover wrote:
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a dope. Meeting fire codes or other basic requirements for safe occupancy is not a hoop, it is a necessity. Everybody knows that - especially a group that builds houses!

Don't be such an ideological dick and just use your noodle for once. Our Habitat store here in Santa Fe (that I have donated building materials to and bought doors from) is clean, safe and well-run and presumably up-to-code. If in Farmington they got screwed by their landlord or did not do their due diligence, that is a local matter and has nothing to do with anything else.
Ben Dover

Albuquerque, NM

#14 Aug 22, 2013
Why Dat wrote:
As building inspection keeps telling me, government does not make codes that they enforce for compliance, codes are adopted and voted by the people.
Building codes are created by past peoples deaths.
if a situation kills to many people, codes are modified.
Now I am sure that BD and AC have removed all the safety features (code compliance) from their homes and business's that have been required by the EVIL GOVERMENT.
Matter of fact you guys can remove them.
I will help you be totally free from big government regulation.
I will help you regain you lost liberty.
Its real easy. You can sell them.
I will help you. for free.
But, we must remove all of them to be truly free and not lose our liberty.
I'm ready. I will make a list and have all my tools ready. When we are done we can watch FOX news.
I do not have a license, but we don't need that kind of crap either.
And the best part is, after we are done nobody can make you put them back, code is working for you.
P.S. Durango Habitat building meets code for that building classification. That's why it is open. Same basic code adoption by same kind of people.
It's always all or nothing with you libs, ain't it? When you run out of sensible argument, you always resort to ridicule. First, building codes are NOT voted on by the people. You are just lying about that. Building codes are created by insurance companies to limit liability, and are then adopted by building departments, usually without a word of input from the local population. Glad you hear you libs are standing with big insurance companies for a change. No problem with that, jackass. But unless you are a total idiot, you and I both know that buildings get violated for nonsense like non-wheelchair accessible restrooms, no ramps, windows too small for people to climb through, not enough windows, floors not covered with government approved non-slip flooring, doors that don't open fast enough or aren't wide enough, blah blah blah. The building can be perfect from a fire prevention standpoint, and still fail a fire inspection because someone decided there weren't enough exits, or something like that. Stuff that can be fixed over time, but no matter to the government, they hold authority over you, just the way you libs like it, because we all know you cannot be trusted to take care of yourselves, you NEED someone from the government to change your diapers. I don't have a problem with resonable and sensible building codes like you would like to think, that's YOUR illusion, and you are welcome to it, but to not give variances for minor things that can be fixed later so that the store can start making money for charity is merely blocking progress. But you libs are all about getting together and talking about progress..when it comes to actually doing it, will that's a different story. In that case, your nanny, big government, tells you to jump, and you say "how high".
Why Dat

Farmington, NM

#15 Aug 22, 2013
Ben Dover wrote:
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Sure, like all liberals, you make out the big bad landlord as the money grubbing businessman bad guy. Ever been to the Habitat for Humanity store in Durango, Colorado? It's in an industrial warehouse, and a lot of their stuff is outside. Charities cannot afford Wal-Mart like digs..in fact, for most charity thrift stores, that would be a waste of money. You leftist jackasses talk a good game, like you want to help people, but when it comes down to it, you always want the other guy to help people, and the government has the final word, and you non-thinking morons support it. I not only read the article, but watched the video..it's word for word the same thing as the article. The Farmington director of Habitat for Humanity sez that it's frustrating for charities without much money to have have to jump through the same hoops as any other business. it's a thrift store. And I don't care if they open it in an apple shed, an old house, or whatever. Sorry we're not all as stuck-up and self important as you lefties. I'm not too good to shop in an old apple shed.
I would not mind shopping at a old apple shed, does not bother me either.
Its my choice based on my education of buildings.

Its not my liability either.

To many people do not realize certain dangers.

To force a danger on people who are tricked into believing its safe is a crime.

People that are aware of their own liability, usually support building codes.

Most others just lie about it to their insurance company.

I love to hear the owners squeal when they are caught.

Why Dat

Farmington, NM

#17 Aug 22, 2013
Ben Dover wrote:
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Sure, like all liberals, you make out the big bad landlord as the money grubbing businessman bad guy. Ever been to the Habitat for Humanity store in Durango, Colorado? It's in an industrial warehouse, and a lot of their stuff is outside. Charities cannot afford Wal-Mart like digs..in fact, for most charity thrift stores, that would be a waste of money. You leftist jackasses talk a good game, like you want to help people, but when it comes down to it, you always want the other guy to help people, and the government has the final word, and you non-thinking morons support it. I not only read the article, but watched the video..it's word for word the same thing as the article. The Farmington director of Habitat for Humanity sez that it's frustrating for charities without much money to have have to jump through the same hoops as any other business. it's a thrift store. And I don't care if they open it in an apple shed, an old house, or whatever. Sorry we're not all as stuck-up and self important as you lefties. I'm not too good to shop in an old apple shed.
DUMB A** the building did not meet Habitats standards either !!!!! Why blame EVIL GOVERMENT !!!!!!!!
Atomic Cafe

Farmington, NM

#18 Aug 22, 2013
Ben Dover wrote:
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It's always all or nothing with you libs, ain't it? When you run out of sensible argument, you always resort to ridicule. First, building codes are NOT voted on by the people. You are just lying about that. Building codes are created by insurance companies to limit liability, and are then adopted by building departments, usually without a word of input from the local population. Glad you hear you libs are standing with big insurance companies for a change. No problem with that, jackass. But unless you are a total idiot, you and I both know that buildings get violated for nonsense like non-wheelchair accessible restrooms, no ramps, windows too small for people to climb through, not enough windows, floors not covered with government approved non-slip flooring, doors that don't open fast enough or aren't wide enough, blah blah blah. The building can be perfect from a fire prevention standpoint, and still fail a fire inspection because someone decided there weren't enough exits, or something like that. Stuff that can be fixed over time, but no matter to the government, they hold authority over you, just the way you libs like it, because we all know you cannot be trusted to take care of yourselves, you NEED someone from the government to change your diapers. I don't have a problem with resonable and sensible building codes like you would like to think, that's YOUR illusion, and you are welcome to it, but to not give variances for minor things that can be fixed later so that the store can start making money for charity is merely blocking progress. But you libs are all about getting together and talking about progress..when it comes to actually doing it, will that's a different story. In that case, your nanny, big government, tells you to jump, and you say "how high".
Arguing with the liberals around here is fun, isn't it? These are the ones who want garage sales and yard sales to be licensed and meet codes too. There are liberal busybodies like this everywhere, and the more you back them into a corner, the more they squirm, and their arguments just get more wild and outlandish. Imagine, the liberal from Santa Fe supporting the Republican stronghold of San Juan County against Jimmy Carter's favorite charity! It's the perfect case of reactionary thinking. Liberals only know that they don't like conservatives, so they will automatically fight conservatives out of habit, without even realizing what they are saying. Then, when they realize they can't do a u-turn, they have to come up with lame excuses like retail managers having to know commercial building codes. Priceless!
You obviously

Santa Fe, NM

#19 Aug 22, 2013
Ben Dover wrote:
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have mental health issues. Please get a checkup.
Why Dat

Farmington, NM

#20 Aug 22, 2013
Ben Dover wrote:
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It's always all or nothing with you libs, ain't it? When you run out of sensible argument, you always resort to ridicule. First, building codes are NOT voted on by the people. You are just lying about that. Building codes are created by insurance companies to limit liability, and are then adopted by building departments, usually without a word of input from the local population. Glad you hear you libs are standing with big insurance companies for a change. No problem with that, jackass. But unless you are a total idiot, you and I both know that buildings get violated for nonsense like non-wheelchair accessible restrooms, no ramps, windows too small for people to climb through, not enough windows, floors not covered with government approved non-slip flooring, doors that don't open fast enough or aren't wide enough, blah blah blah. The building can be perfect from a fire prevention standpoint, and still fail a fire inspection because someone decided there weren't enough exits, or something like that. Stuff that can be fixed over time, but no matter to the government, they hold authority over you, just the way you libs like it, because we all know you cannot be trusted to take care of yourselves, you NEED someone from the government to change your diapers. I don't have a problem with resonable and sensible building codes like you would like to think, that's YOUR illusion, and you are welcome to it, but to not give variances for minor things that can be fixed later so that the store can start making money for charity is merely blocking progress. But you libs are all about getting together and talking about progress..when it comes to actually doing it, will that's a different story. In that case, your nanny, big government, tells you to jump, and you say "how high".
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No, we challenge the code on a daily basis. That is part of the process.
And the local "EVIL GOVERMENT" does not get very heavy handed as it could. They are very reasonable people. People just like you.
We ask and receive temp inspections all the time, to keep the business owner open.

Variances for things that can be fixed at a later date, rarely get done. Human nature.

Not enough exits and BLAH, BLAH, BLAH has killed plenty of people.

Government is you.

You would be surprised to hear how many people do more than just complain about code compliance.

Wheel chair codes, or what people believe to be codes just for our wheeled friends, are more beneficial to the rest of us than you think. Wait till you need that space, and you not in a chair!

Wait till you in a chair, you my friend will scream the loudest!!!!

Is it just the idea that someone may tell you what to do, is what's irritating you the most, isn't it ?

Codes keep people like you from opening a gasoline storage compound next to my house.

Ramps are not just for our wheeled friends, lots of old people use the heck out of them.

Yes the codes can become a irritating with the attempt to standardize,
but you take them all away and we would have, you know.

No liberty.
Ted Nugent

Farmington, NM

#21 Aug 22, 2013
Hey Atomic, you never answered a question from another post.
I'm thinking someone asked you if your pit-bull dog,(who is tied to the tree in the front yard)has more than a two foot leash ?

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