Video: Activists Arrested in Gay Marr...

Video: Activists Arrested in Gay Marriage Protest at San Diego County Clerk's Office

There are 14 comments on the Towleroad story from Aug 21, 2010, titled Video: Activists Arrested in Gay Marriage Protest at San Diego County Clerk's Office. In it, Towleroad reports that:

"Remember these are gay people, they are very docile"-- go gays! Posted by: rob Aug 20, 2010 11:01:31 AM Is this a protest or an exercise in narcissism? People yesterday in the comments here on an earlier TR story compared this activity to Rosa Parks.

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Since: May 09

Marin County, CA

#1 Aug 21, 2010
I am SO PROUD of these folks. WOW!
Richie Haven

San Francisco, CA

#2 Aug 21, 2010
This should be repeated in EVERY city in California.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#3 Aug 21, 2010
The police look really bored and unenthusiastic about doing this. Considering the apparent age and waistlines of those in the video, my guess is that they pulled them away from flying desks to be the ones to have to process this paperwork. lol.

As if any of this will (or CAN) influence a decision in Federal Appeals Court.

I think there are places in this Country where this sort of direct action could be far more effective.

The officers looked like they really wanted to get back to their doughnuts. Whups! That's S.D. isn't it.(giggle) I mean bagels and mocha chai.

Since: Apr 07

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Aug 21, 2010
snyper wrote:
The police look really bored and unenthusiastic about doing this. Considering the apparent age and waistlines of those in the video, my guess is that they pulled them away from flying desks to be the ones to have to process this paperwork. lol.
As if any of this will (or CAN) influence a decision in Federal Appeals Court.
I think there are places in this Country where this sort of direct action could be far more effective.
The officers looked like they really wanted to get back to their doughnuts. Whups! That's S.D. isn't it.(giggle) I mean bagels and mocha chai.
Yeah, I wish people were using logic. This isn't going to *change the court's decision*. The objective would theoretically be to change the court's decision. That would take *widescale riots and violence* akin to the Los Angeles riots over the Rodney King thing -- and I wouldn't even advocate that, not in the slightest.

This could be effective in other places in other contexts, but I have begun to believe that the pro-gay SHOULD BE CALLING ON FAVORS FROM THEIR FRIENDS to start doing all sorts of things that can deliberately make the point. For instance, asking various groups to go on strike could cause problems *in a way not meant out of spite or to cause damage but to make a POINT*, and a strong one which will catch people's attention fast.

But this? It's symbolic. No one cares. They need to think and get allies involved and ask those allies to commit themselves to actions which will make the nation *materially* sit up and take notice.

Since: Apr 07

Philadelphia, PA

#5 Aug 21, 2010
Also, I am still, still to this day, against these public votes. I think the next one should be taken to court. I am vehemently against them *even if the pro-gay would win, even if gay rights would win*. HOWEVER, I do not think the pro-gay should be above using such a vote for purposes of "getting their way" ... however contradictory and blatantly hypocritical this might be. Why? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ANTI-GAY ARE DOING, and so you fight fire with fire,*specifically since* the virulently anti-gay are never, never going to quit for any reason.

Since: Apr 07

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Aug 21, 2010
The anti-gay and the pro-gay have *BOTH* said that if the u.s. supreme court rules against them, they'll simply start court case after court case meant to chip away at the verdict. These are two groups so at loggerheads that only a *MAJOR CHANGE* is going to stop the endless fighting. This is going to drag out for decades. I have to chuckle at the idea that *anyone* pro-gay thinks it's going to be a cake walk. Extreme, vicious determination and a refusal to take no for an answer should be an INHERENT part of the process. Moreover, trying to be "nice" to these people will get you nowhere. Be nice to the fence-sitters or the undecided. To people like NOM, there is no room for kindness.

They hate you.

And that's all you need to know.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#7 Aug 21, 2010
Poor California:

Yes on 8 supporter Meg Whitman has stepped up her anti-marriage equality campaign.

Late yesterday, she joined Attorney General Candidate Steve Cooley by saying that, if elected, she will use the state’s vast resources to defend Prop. 8 in court.

Since: Apr 07

Philadelphia, PA

#8 Aug 21, 2010
snyper wrote:
Poor California:
Yes on 8 supporter Meg Whitman has stepped up her anti-marriage equality campaign.
Late yesterday, she joined Attorney General Candidate Steve Cooley by saying that, if elected, she will use the state’s vast resources to defend Prop. 8 in court.
To this very day, I think this is going to get uglier than it is now.

In Mexico, some cardinal or religious figure (I didn't pay close attention; I'm ***king sick of them) is repeatedly, vehemently and vocally criticizing the gay marriage ruling, and ostensibly *SPREADING LIES* about how it came to pass. He's being hit with a lawsuit now.

NOTHING, not the criticism in opposition, not the lawsuit, will make him shut up. He apparently feels it is his "sworn duty" in the face of any and all adversity to keep spreading these lies and making this criticism.

That is complete goddamn off-the-rocker clinical obsession: nothing more, nothing less.

THAT is what the pro-gay are up against. BELIEVE ME, the Americans are going to act the same way and are not going to leave this alone forever and ever.

I laugh and laugh at the pro-gay who think you have to wait for some "more favorable time." IT IS NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GOING TO BE; those who believe in this should be fighting nonstop for it now, no matter what, fighting even the legislatures, fighting even the supreme court. A supreme court ruling should be a *tiny road bump* as people continue tirelessly and obsessively to fight.

You'll win by being as obsessive as they are, by simply and literally exhausting them. I hope this issue is so nonstop and so perpetual that the anti-gay *really start crying in private* over how sick of it they are. I really could not hope more savagely that that comes to pass. I haven't lost ONE JOT of energy in my opposition to them and (based on experience) I doubt I will.

Since: Apr 07

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Aug 21, 2010
Also, the "worse" things get (if the anti-gay make any further wins), the exponentially more vocal I'm going to get in repeatedly, obsessively encouraging people to *be whoever they want to be in any private or public way they see fit*, IGNORING *ALL* and any "religious" criticism nonstop, metaphorically spitting into the faces of the "religious" before they continue rabidly and determinedly to be WHOEVER they want to be, and 100.0%*i-g-n-o-r-i-n-g* any and all condemnations that it is "immoral." And ya know what?

That's going to be *the easiest thing of all to do*, and is going to turn their world into a living hell.

They need to back the ***k off. I won't hesitate and I'm already laying the first seeds of it now, and am ready at the drop of a hat to encourage others to do the same.

They want a culture war, they can watch America turn right the ***k upside-down. And that's a promise.
Donate2NOM

Roy, WA

#10 Aug 22, 2010
Donate to NOM. I did. It's a great way to fight back!

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#11 Aug 22, 2010
snyper wrote:
As if any of this will (or CAN) influence a decision in Federal Appeals Court.
I think there are places in this Country where this sort of direct action could be far more effective.
We have every reason to continue to make our case visible in California and every other state. We have a small portion of the California electorate who needs to rethink their position so we can succeed at the ballot box if the Prop 8 case loses or drags on.

As for the rest of the country, it may not matter where the protests occur. As long as people hear and read about it then think about it.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#12 Aug 22, 2010
CA doesn't HAVE "vast resources"; it's pretty near complete bankruptcy. And all any opponent has to do is point out that such a use of their waning resources would be a huge and unjustified waste of time and money.

I can't really blame the police in all this; any spontaneous gathering is bound to make government workers nervous. What I find really disturbing is the camera operator telling the cops to "remember these are gay people; we're very docile". The hell we are. I must've missed that memo.
snyper wrote:
Poor California:
Yes on 8 supporter Meg Whitman has stepped up her anti-marriage equality campaign.
Late yesterday, she joined Attorney General Candidate Steve Cooley by saying that, if elected, she will use the state’s vast resources to defend Prop. 8 in court.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#13 Aug 22, 2010
Don't actually spit in their faces; that's assault. Never give'em a legal basis to fight back.

Otherwise, have at it!
rdg1234 wrote:
Also, the "worse" things get (if the anti-gay make any further wins), the exponentially more vocal I'm going to get in repeatedly, obsessively encouraging people to *be whoever they want to be in any private or public way they see fit*, IGNORING *ALL* and any "religious" criticism nonstop, metaphorically spitting into the faces of the "religious" before they continue rabidly and determinedly to be WHOEVER they want to be, and 100.0%*i-g-n-o-r-i-n-g* any and all condemnations that it is "immoral." And ya know what?
That's going to be *the easiest thing of all to do*, and is going to turn their world into a living hell.
They need to back the ***k off. I won't hesitate and I'm already laying the first seeds of it now, and am ready at the drop of a hat to encourage others to do the same.
They want a culture war, they can watch America turn right the ***k upside-down. And that's a promise.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#14 Aug 22, 2010
nhjeff wrote:
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We have every reason to continue to make our case visible in California and every other state. We have a small portion of the California electorate who needs to rethink their position so we can succeed at the ballot box if the Prop 8 case loses or drags on.
As for the rest of the country, it may not matter where the protests occur. As long as people hear and read about it then think about it.
I really think that carefully selected programs need to begin in other States, if only to minimize the right's program to lump our issues (along with many other meritorious subjects) into the ongoing campaign of "just more California crazies".

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