Boy, 14, charged with murder in shooting

Boy, 14, charged with murder in shooting

There are 22 comments on the Salina Journal story from Jun 2, 2010, titled Boy, 14, charged with murder in shooting. In it, Salina Journal reports that:

Salina Journal A 14-year-old Saline County boy was arrested for first-degree murder, accused of shooting his 9-year-old stepbrother to death Tuesday.

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Fedup

Kirkland, WA

#1 Jun 3, 2010
Wow...So, now any 14 year old can be treated EXACTLY like 'terrorists' do without any due process or rights read to them or even being interrogated WITHOUT a parent or lawyer present?

So, this is what has resulted from our men and women dying for this country? Is this CHINA because it is looking like it is more and more every day.

Sad..my heart goes out to the boy who is 14 whose life has been destroyed because of this accident and his parents who have to deal with the fall out from our inept system. My the boy who died rest in peace.
The Genius Theist

Phoenix, AZ

#2 Jun 9, 2010
Fedup wrote:
Wow...So, now any 14 year old can be treated EXACTLY like 'terrorists' do without any due process or rights read to them or even being interrogated WITHOUT a parent or lawyer present?
So, this is what has resulted from our men and women dying for this country? Is this CHINA because it is looking like it is more and more every day.
Sad..my heart goes out to the boy who is 14 whose life has been destroyed because of this accident and his parents who have to deal with the fall out from our inept system. My the boy who died rest in peace.
I guess you didn't read the whole story. The 14 year old boy called the police after he shot his 9 year old half brother to death. When police arrived, they asked him what happened and he told them he shot his brother on purpose and he showed them the weapon. He said he was angry at his brother for something.

The police had probable cause and an admission of guilt, so he was arrested and taken into custody. After being read his rights and consulting with his parents, he again made a full confession of murder. The boy obviously has anger management issues, but taking them out on his brother was not the right way to handle things.

What do YOU suggest his punishment should be? Should we give him a butcher knife or a handgun and send him over to YOUR house for YOU to counsel him? LOL
Door King

Moundridge, KS

#3 Jul 9, 2010
Surreal.
No connection

United States

#4 Jul 9, 2010
Fedup wrote:
Wow...So, now any 14 year old can be treated EXACTLY like 'terrorists' do without any due process or rights read to them or even being interrogated WITHOUT a parent or lawyer present?
So, this is what has resulted from our men and women dying for this country? Is this CHINA because it is looking like it is more and more every day.
Sad..my heart goes out to the boy who is 14 whose life has been destroyed because of this accident and his parents who have to deal with the fall out from our inept system. My the boy who died rest in peace.
You did a crappy job of trying to get people stirred up on this one.
LOST

Lahaina, HI

#5 Jul 28, 2010
Why aren't the parents being held responsible for any of this?
WTH

Abilene, KS

#6 Jul 29, 2010
LOST wrote:
Why aren't the parents being held responsible for any of this?
They didn't do it?!?! DUH!
LOST

Lahaina, HI

#7 Jul 30, 2010
WTH wrote:
<quoted text>They didn't do it?!?! DUH!
Oh right. They didn't do it.

Let's see. Parents leave two minor children at home alone. The children are known not to get along, because they aren't really related, just live in the same house. You know, not his daddy, just a guy his mom married. So, police finds two loaded handguns, left unattended, unsecured, easily accessible to the minors.

In many states, this would be enough for the state to press charges for child neglect and child endangerment. In several cases, the parents have been held responsible for this sort of thing in the past, even when the victim didn't die.

So, if the firearms weren't left unsecured, and the children weren't left home alone, then this wouldn't have happened.
LOST

Lahaina, HI

#8 Jul 30, 2010
Child Access Protection Laws

Some states have laws which hold parents liable when children gain access to a firearms. At least nine states hold adults criminally responsible for storing a loaded firearm in such a way as to allow a minor to gain access. Some of these provisions include an enhanced PENALTY if the minor causes injury or death and create exceptions for parental liability when the minor gains access to a weapon by unlawful entry into the home or place of storage or if the firearm is used in SELF-DEFENSE. In addition, several states have provisions that create criminal liability when a custodial adult or parent is aware that his or her child possesses a firearm unlawfully and does not take it away. A number of jurisdictions have enacted laws making it a crime to leave a loaded firearm where it is accessible by children. Typically, these laws apply, and parents can be charged, only if the minor gains access to the gun. There are usually exceptions if the firearm is stored in a locked box, secured with a trigger lock, or obtained by a minor through unlawful entry. In most states, the penalty for unlawful access is a MISDEMEANOR unless the minor injures someone else, in which case the parent can be charged with a FELONY.
LOST

Lahaina, HI

#9 Jul 30, 2010
WTH wrote:
<quoted text>They didn't do it?!?! DUH!
ILLINOIS: It is illegal for a person to store or leave any loaded firearm in a way that allows a minor to gain access to the firearm without permission from a parent or guardian and use it to injure or kill. A firearm is properly stored if it is secured by a trigger lock, placed in a securely locked box, or placed in some other location that a reasonable person would believe to be secured from a minor.

MASSACHUSETTS: It is unlawful to store or keep any firearm, rifle, or shotgun including, but not limited to, large capacity weapons or machine guns in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user.

TEXAS: It is a misdemeanor offense when a child gains access to a firearm because an adult fails to secure a readily dischargeable firearm or left the firearm in a place to which the person knew or should have known that a child could gain access. It also requires firearms dealers to post a sign with this warning: "It is unlawful to store, transport, or abandon an unsecured firearm in a place where children are likely to be and can obtain access to the firearm."

VIRGINIA: It is a misdemeanor to recklessly leave a loaded firearm so as to endanger the LIFE OR LIMB of any child under the age of fifteen.

SO THEY MIGHT AS WELL HAVE DONE IT.
WTH

Abilene, KS

#10 Jul 31, 2010
LOST wrote:
<quoted text>
ILLINOIS: It is illegal for a person to store or leave any loaded firearm in a way that allows a minor to gain access to the firearm without permission from a parent or guardian and use it to injure or kill. A firearm is properly stored if it is secured by a trigger lock, placed in a securely locked box, or placed in some other location that a reasonable person would believe to be secured from a minor.
MASSACHUSETTS: It is unlawful to store or keep any firearm, rifle, or shotgun including, but not limited to, large capacity weapons or machine guns in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user.
TEXAS: It is a misdemeanor offense when a child gains access to a firearm because an adult fails to secure a readily dischargeable firearm or left the firearm in a place to which the person knew or should have known that a child could gain access. It also requires firearms dealers to post a sign with this warning: "It is unlawful to store, transport, or abandon an unsecured firearm in a place where children are likely to be and can obtain access to the firearm."
VIRGINIA: It is a misdemeanor to recklessly leave a loaded firearm so as to endanger the LIFE OR LIMB of any child under the age of fifteen.
SO THEY MIGHT AS WELL HAVE DONE IT.
Having read all 3 of your boring posts, I didn't see Kansas mentioned once.......

“I like it here!”

Since: Dec 08

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#11 Jul 31, 2010
I did a bit of research into the Child Access Protection Laws and found a wide range of irregularities. Let's take Hawaii for example:[134-10.5] Storage of firearm; responsibility with respect to minors. No person shall store or keep any firearm on any premises under the person's control if the person knows or reasonably should know that a minor is likely to gain access to the firearm, unless they are Jack Lord, or without the permission of the parent or guardian of the minor, unless the person:
(1) Keeps the firearm in a securely locked box or other container or in a location that a reasonable person would believe to be secure; or

(2) Carries the firearm on the person while wearing a flower print shirt or within such close proximity thereto that the person readily can retrieve and use it as if it were carried on the person.

For purposes of this section, "minor" means any person under the age of sixteen years.[L 1992, c 288,

“I like it here!”

Since: Dec 08

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#12 Jul 31, 2010
So interesting that there is no Federal mandate, I'm sure that it would be an infringement upon our constitutional rights to bear arms. It is also important to see that apparel and movie stars are a very important part of the Hawaii statutes!

“I like it here!”

Since: Dec 08

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#13 Jul 31, 2010
LOST wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh right. They didn't do it.
Let's see. Parents leave two minor children at home alone. The children are known not to get along, because they aren't really related, just live in the same house. You know, not his daddy, just a guy his mom married. So, police finds two loaded handguns, left unattended, unsecured, easily accessible to the minors.
In many states, this would be enough for the state to press charges for child neglect and child endangerment. In several cases, the parents have been held responsible for this sort of thing in the past, even when the victim didn't die.
So, if the firearms weren't left unsecured, and the children weren't left home alone, then this wouldn't have happened.
How can you be so insightful? You have a lot of details that haven't officially been released. What did the brothers eat for breakfast that morning?

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Since: Dec 08

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#14 Jul 31, 2010
Fedup wrote:
Wow...So, now any 14 year old can be treated EXACTLY like 'terrorists' do without any due process or rights read to them or even being interrogated WITHOUT a parent or lawyer present?
So, this is what has resulted from our men and women dying for this country? Is this CHINA because it is looking like it is more and more every day.
Sad..my heart goes out to the boy who is 14 whose life has been destroyed because of this accident and his parents who have to deal with the fall out from our inept system. My the boy who died rest in peace.
I talked to the lead detective and they didn't waterboard him!
LOST

Lahaina, HI

#15 Jul 31, 2010
Antoine G wrote:
<quoted text>How can you be so insightful? You have a lot of details that haven't officially been released. What did the brothers eat for breakfast that morning?
Kaden had a bowl of Lucky Charms (his favorite cereal), while Ryan had Eggo Waffles with a glass of milk.

GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS JACKASS. THIS IS A SERIOUS CHARGE PRESSED ON A CHILD, WHILE YOU ARE GOING AROUND MAKING STUPID JOKES ABOUT GUN LAWS.
LOST

Lahaina, HI

#16 Jul 31, 2010
WTH wrote:
<quoted text>Having read all 3 of your boring posts, I didn't see Kansas mentioned once.......
Child Endangerment is Child Endangerment, no matter what state you are in. From leaving your toddler unattended in the bathroom in a tub full of water while you are talking on the phone, to leaving a loaded firearm in a nightstand drawer or under your pillow where it is readily available to anyone, especially a child.

I've seen articles where parents were sent to jail because their son accidentally stabbed his friend with a katana that was used for decoration over the fireplace. The sword was a heirloom left by the child's grandfather, a veteran of WWII.

I've seen articles where a single mother was sent to jail because she was baking for her teen's football team fundraiser, pulled out the cupcakes and left the oven open while she placed the pan on the counter to cool off. Her toddler, wanting to be like mommy, stuck her hands in the oven and suffered 3rd degree burns to both of her hands. The mother served 2 years in prison.

Then you have your usual idiot driving after a few beers with a baby seat in the back. Your idiot speeding 20 miles over the limit with a child in the back with no seat belt on. And let's not forget the idiot vacationing parents who checked into their hotel room and left their 7th floor balcony door open while unpacking, and their 5 year old fell and the parents didn't know until security knocked on their door.

The fact that an adult kept multiple firearms loaded in the house without safety concerns, makes them guilty of child endangerment, even if there is no firearm safety law in the state.

So, I guess you are right. There was no mention of Kansas in my previous post, because I guess people like you worry more about having guns than good parenting and the safety of your children.

Since: Jul 10

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#17 Jul 31, 2010
LOST wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh right. They didn't do it.
Let's see. Parents leave two minor children at home alone. The children are known not to get along, because they aren't really related, just live in the same house. You know, not his daddy, just a guy his mom married. So, police finds two loaded handguns, left unattended, unsecured, easily accessible to the minors.
In many states, this would be enough for the state to press charges for child neglect and child endangerment. In several cases, the parents have been held responsible for this sort of thing in the past, even when the victim didn't die.
So, if the firearms weren't left unsecured, and the children weren't left home alone, then this wouldn't have happened.
@ LOST: We don't need more gun laws. We just need more responsible gun owners.
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I just want to know, what is a National Guardsman so afraid of that he has to keep loaded firearms in the house? It's not like Al Qaeda is gonna come knocking at his door.

Unless, the husband and the ex-husband didn't get along due to the ongoing custody battle over the children from the mother's previous marriage.

Sorry, none of my business, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

“I like it here!”

Since: Dec 08

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#18 Aug 1, 2010
0mni wrote:
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@ LOST: We don't need more gun laws. We just need more responsible gun owners.
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I just want to know, what is a National Guardsman so afraid of that he has to keep loaded firearms in the house? It's not like Al Qaeda is gonna come knocking at his door.
Unless, the husband and the ex-husband didn't get along due to the ongoing custody battle over the children from the mother's previous marriage.
Sorry, none of my business, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.
You think the only threats that homeowners face are from Al Qaeda? Are you a complete window licker or what?

Since: Jul 10

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#19 Aug 2, 2010
Antoine G wrote:
<quoted text>You think the only threats that homeowners face are from Al Qaeda? Are you a complete window licker or what?
No no no, not the only threat. You have your rabid raccoon, your random back from the dead zombies, and your planned communist invasion from China. Oh, let's not forget, that since it's Kansas, your perverted Uncle Tommy sneaking a peak.

Dude, you really need to get a life. As a homeowner, I for one don't feel the need to keep my 1911 or 9mm loaded in the house around my children. I've lived in some really bad neighborhoods in my life, and never have I felt the need to keep a loaded gun in the house.
Delbert Johnson

Roca, NE

#20 Aug 2, 2010
0mni wrote:
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No no no, not the only threat. You have your rabid raccoon, your random back from the dead zombies, and your planned communist invasion from China. Oh, let's not forget, that since it's Kansas, your perverted Uncle Tommy sneaking a peak.
Dude, you really need to get a life. As a homeowner, I for one don't feel the need to keep my 1911 or 9mm loaded in the house around my children. I've lived in some really bad neighborhoods in my life, and never have I felt the need to keep a loaded gun in the house.
I do understand the concept of keeping a loaded gun in the house. Two years ago, my father had two men invade his house in rural Nebraska. They thought he was a hapless old man, unable to defend himself. Well, the first shot caught the first young upstanding citizen right square in the chest, killing him instantly. The next shot caught the second pillar of the community in the upper thigh, putting him down. My father calmly dialed 911 and told the local S.O. the story. After a brief investigation, the sheriff commended my father for his quick thinking and told him how lucky he was. Apparently these young men had done this several times before and left their victims severely beaten. So 0mni, there is a need for it but I agree that the firearms need to be kept responsibly. Most of the time they are kept without incident until there is a tragedy. My thoughts and prayers are with the family.

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