McDonnell's Budget Cuts Draw Reaction

Everyone from students to state employees is fired up about Governor McDonnell's proposed budget cuts, cuts that could mean mandatory furloughs and slash financial aid for thousands of people. Full Story
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Republican Leadership

Rocky Mount, VA

#69 Feb 20, 2010
Finally someone with the leadership to refuse to raise taxes, and who is cutting at least a tine fraction of the fat and waste of education and health care!
BET

Charlottesville, VA

#71 Feb 21, 2010
Down with Bell and McDummy
Chuck Bartowski

Charlottesville, VA

#72 Feb 21, 2010
Im Ya Huckleberry wrote:
<quoted text> Chuck, the only people on this forum that have voiced an opinion as to the Governor’s plan to fund more charter schools have identified themselves as teachers or retired teachers. Why do you think this is?
Not sure the posters on a local news blog constitute a statistically reliable sample of the community, but I'll humor you. It could be because teachers are in a uniquely well-informed position to speak to the issues involved.
Im Ya Huckleberry wrote:
<quoted text> It is not a funding issue as it costs essentially the same to provide the student an education whether he is enrolled in a conventional school or a charter school. Could it be they are afraid of the competition charter schools bring to the table? Are they afraid that charter schools will succeed where they have failed with at-risk students?
Heck no! As I said before (read the article!), charter schools do a worse job at educating kids - including at-risk students - than public schools. Why on earth should we give money to a bunch of semi-private institutions who have not shown to be any better than what we already have, and who are not bound by many of the safeguards and standards that apply to public schools?
Im Ya Huckleberry wrote:
<quoted text> Secondly, as for modest tax increases, that would seem to be the solution IF you believed education was underfunded. Since the cost per student has doubled since 1970 (2007 constant dollars) without a concurrent rise in educational achievement, that dog just don’t hunt.
I'll agree with you that educational spending does not result in a one-to-one increase in achievement (it never will, and it is absurd to expect as much). However, public education funds, well-spent, do result in improved outcomes. See:
http://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/PICWMM.... .

So that dog might hunt... if his class-size is small enough.
Im Ya Huckleberry wrote:
<quoted text> The United States spends more per student than 99% of the world’s countries, once again without the concurrent achievement. I just hate seeing our jobs going to those students from the rest of the world because we don’t insist that we get our money’s worth from education.
Tell you what - If the American public schools adopted the approach of most other nations and stopped insisting on an education for EVERY child, I bet our outcomes would look pretty good next to your 99%.
Im Ya Huckleberry wrote:
<quoted text> If the educational community really had the best interests of students at heart, they would be advocating a tax CUT to stimulate the economy so that the huge deficits this country has piled up can be paid off. Instead we continue to mortgage their future by increasing taxes.
Not sure it's really fair to indict an entire community based on something like tax policy (as if the "educational community's" views on the topic were so monolithically uniform as to even be assessed). If it helps you, I love tax cuts (so do most teachers I know). I just have a different sense than you of when they are appropriate and when they are not.

Peace.
Paul

Barnesville, OH

#76 Feb 22, 2010
Half the clowns, graduating from high school, can't read their diploma's. I can't see dumping in anymore money for the teachers union (who are all democrats). I pay property taxes and property taxes (80%), go to education.Some Renters have 5 to 6 kids (all on welfare) and load up the schools with their brood. They pay zip and my taxes are going off the chart.The Problem with socialism is you quickly run out of other peoples money. P.S. If there are any renters out there, who pay taxes for education. Sorry!!
Lester Patel

Charlottesville, VA

#77 Feb 22, 2010
Paul wrote:
Half the clowns, graduating from high school, can't read their diploma's. I can't see dumping in anymore money for the teachers union (who are all democrats). I pay property taxes and property taxes (80%), go to education.Some Renters have 5 to 6 kids (all on welfare) and load up the schools with their brood. They pay zip and my taxes are going off the chart.The Problem with socialism is you quickly run out of other peoples money. P.S. If there are any renters out there, who pay taxes for education. Sorry!!
Let me fix that for you (since I can read my diploma)...

Half of the clowns graduating from high school can't read their diplomas. I can't see dumping any more money for the teachers union (who are all Democrats). I pay property taxes, and property taxes (80%) go to education. Some renters have five to six kids (all on welfare) and load up the schools with their broods. They pay zip, and my taxes are going off the chart. The problem with socialism is that you quickly run out of other peoples' money.

P.S. If there are any renters out there who pay taxes for education,sorry!!

There you go...
Appreciative

Charlottesville, VA

#78 Feb 22, 2010
Charlottesville wrote:
He did not propose a pay raise for State employees but rather a ONE TIME BONUS of 3%.[The news needs to get this straight - it's not the same!!!] In addition, he proposed 10 days of unpaid furlough days over the next 2 FY's which equals about 4%, so in all our salaries will be cut. In 20 years of employment with the State I've gone 8 years without a salary increase!
UVA staff are state employees. They have had a hiring freeze in place for quite awhile which means all of the staff are doing more work as people leave for one reason or another. And if memory serves, they have not had a pay raise in 4 years. Meanwhile the faculty are only required to teach one class and some don't teach at all. What's wrong with this picture.

My advice to the guv is to have a study made of state departments by an outside group and start getting rid of agencies that are redundant. Believe me they are there.
Appreciative

Charlottesville, VA

#79 Feb 22, 2010
ohplease wrote:
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How about an extra 500 per year for all of you who have the little heathens but want us to pay for their education then pay for their welfare?
I think you must have put a little whiskey in your tea at the last tea party.
Paul

Barnesville, OH

#80 Feb 22, 2010
Lester Patel wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me fix that for you (since I can read my diploma)...
Half of the clowns graduating from high school can't read their diplomas. I can't see dumping any more money for the teachers union (who are all Democrats). I pay property taxes, and property taxes (80%) go to education. Some renters have five to six kids (all on welfare) and load up the schools with their broods. They pay zip, and my taxes are going off the chart. The problem with socialism is that you quickly run out of other peoples' money.
P.S. If there are any renters out there who pay taxes for education,sorry!!
There you go...
Thank You Lester! You can read your diploma . Good job!! I still don't know where you stand on the renter issue and taxes? Once again thank you!! Pablo
Lester Patel

Charlottesville, VA

#81 Feb 22, 2010
Paul wrote:
<quoted text> Thank You Lester! You can read your diploma . Good job!! I still don't know where you stand on the renter issue and taxes? Once again thank you!! Pablo
Where do I stand? I believe that people in glass houses should not throw stones.
Paul

Barnesville, OH

#82 Feb 22, 2010
Lester Patel wrote:
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Where do I stand? I believe that people in glass houses should not throw stones.
Tsk! Tsk! Have you stop taking your medication? No Glass house, just a hard working taxpayer Lester. Be well and don't sweat the small stuff Good Buddy!!! P.S. Feel free to insult me anytime. I love verbal grab ass! Pablo

“Don't Drink The Obama Kool-Aid”

Since: Aug 09

You don't need to know, Va.

#83 Feb 22, 2010
Chuck Bartowski wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure the posters on a local news blog constitute a statistically reliable sample of the community, but I'll humor you. It could be because teachers are in a uniquely well-informed position to speak to the issues involved.
<quoted text>
Heck no! As I said before (read the article!), charter schools do a worse job at educating kids - including at-risk students - than public schools. Why on earth should we give money to a bunch of semi-private institutions who have not shown to be any better than what we already have, and who are not bound by many of the safeguards and standards that apply to public schools?
<quoted text>
I'll agree with you that educational spending does not result in a one-to-one increase in achievement (it never will, and it is absurd to expect as much). However, public education funds, well-spent, do result in improved outcomes. See:
http://www.ets.org/Media/Research/pdf/PICWMM.... .
So that dog might hunt... if his class-size is small enough.
<quoted text>
Tell you what - If the American public schools adopted the approach of most other nations and stopped insisting on an education for EVERY child, I bet our outcomes would look pretty good next to your 99%.
<quoted text>
Not sure it's really fair to indict an entire community based on something like tax policy (as if the "educational community's" views on the topic were so monolithically uniform as to even be assessed). If it helps you, I love tax cuts (so do most teachers I know). I just have a different sense than you of when they are appropriate and when they are not.
Peace.
Chuck, I guess the best we can hope for is to agree to disagree.
Peace be with you as well.
HellRaised

Saint Petersburg, FL

#84 Feb 23, 2010
are you kidding wrote:
<quoted text>
Cville Gordo, by calling him Barrack Hussein, you make we conservatives that actually have brains look bad. You don't have to like him, but using his middle name in a poorly-masked racist manner simply makes every stereotype about republicans seem true.
I'm no Obama fan, but the idiot that preceded him was not in any way, shape, or form a conservative. The federal government grew more during his leadership than it did during Clinton's.
That's his frikken middle name for chrissakes....maybe it should be "Bin"..as in "Obama Bin Spendin"
Granny G

Charlottesville, VA

#85 Feb 23, 2010
XD357_Sig wrote:
How about cutting back on paid holidays? Leave them as days off but don't pay. Then you don't need the furlough days. I wish I had 12 paid holidays each year.
I agree with the Holidays. We as State Employees receive an enourmous amount of benefits and we should be happy that we have a job. I would go without a paid holiday.

The money could be used for the schools. The children of this country are the ones that will suffer in the long run. We need to do whatever we can to make sure they have a world to live in. A safe one
radical housewife

Morgantown, WV

#86 Feb 24, 2010
Disillusioned wrote:
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From what I recall from his first speech as Governor, he is putting an emphasis on trying to market Virginia as a vacation location and to promote our state as a good location for movies to be made and industries to move here. Perhaps he feels that visitors who are driving our interstates as guests don't get a very good impression of our commonwealth when the rest areas are closed.
In addition, there is a huge safety concern for truckdrivers and travelers who need a place to pull off and rest.
We all have our opinions on how to balance the budget, and I may not like 100% of his choices, but I believe he is trying to get us back on track better than Tim Kaine did. At least we have a full time Governor who took a pay cut before even taking office.
Disillusioned, I understand your concern with road safety- perhaps I should have mentioned what i think should happen with these rest stops: privatization. Why not have a company pay to run them? Is this not the Republian/capitalist way? Many fast food chains already rented space in them before, and I a sure they would continue to let truckers rest in the parking lot just like the state does.
I have spent a lot of time driving all over America this past year and a half, and I never get angry if there is not a rest stop- I expect that it just means its time for me to get off the interstate, re-fuel, and get out and stretch my legs. I might even buy something, which BENEFITS whatever place I happen to be, as opposed to costing some taxpayer money if I use a Virginia rest stop.
While I do not miss public rest stops in other states, I DO get upset when there are potholes big enough to eat my car on the road going into Richmond; poor roads cause wear and tear and possble accidents. I also lament inadeqaute public transport for those that need it, and the fact that local schools, libraries and state parks are looking at closure, when rest stops are re-opening. It just does not make sense or cents. One example:
I do not think its possible to put a price tag on the economic impact of schools and libraries, but as far as State Parks, the five facing closure apparently will save us only an estimated "$500,000 a year, but will remove an estimated $5.6 million in economic impact by those visitors." (February 23, 2010 Farmville Herald) At the park nearest my house, 37 people will also lose their jobs- those people will now no longer pay income tax, may end up collecting unemployment an other services and it spirals from there- ditto for teachers, librarians, and other employees performing honest skilled work,as opposed to rest stops staffed by low paid/nonpaid inmates. More rationale needed.

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