Ryan Skipper's gay-hate killer convicted

Ryan Skipper's gay-hate killer convicted

There are 31 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from Feb 28, 2009, titled Ryan Skipper's gay-hate killer convicted. In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

Hate crimes are directed at groups of people. They are intended to make an entire community afraid simply because of whom they are.

On March 15, 2007, Ryan Skipper was stabbed 19 times and left to die on a dirt road in Polk County, Florida. Skipper, who was openly gay, was attacked in his own car. His body was found on the side of a road. His throat had been slashed and there were multiple stab wounds covering his torso.

Yesterday, after nearly two days of deliberation, jurors returned a verdict of guilty of second-degree murder against Joseph Bearden, a known methamphetamine addict, and sentenced him to life behind bars for his part in the killing of Skipper in 2007.

Bearden’s defense attorney called the verdict a partial victory because the death penalty is now off the table.

One has to wonder… had Ryan Skipper not been gay… would Bearden now be sitting on Florida’s Death Row?

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“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#22 Mar 2, 2009
Mike wrote:
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McMike, believe me, I understand that being gay can make you a target for assault, but I also understand that being a homeowner can also make you a target. But at the end of the day, crime is crime, and it should be appropriately punished. The fact that the victim is gay, straight, female, etc, should never be an issue. The fact that someone caused harm to another human being for no justifiable reason is the only fact in the case that should matter.
Does anyone think that there should be special sentencing guidelines that give harsher sentences to burglars who rob people who own their homes, since they are a more likely target than those who rent? I doubt it. We can classify just about everyone into a special category and give them some privilege no one else has.
You're forgetting one important factor: intent. Maybe if the homeowner was always beaten with a bat and then left in a bloody pulp to die you might have a valid comparison. It's of no use trying to convey the importance of hate crimes law when you're going to compare a homeowner somehow getting the crap beaten out of him to what happens with gay bashings. They aren't the same, you know it, I know it, everyone else knows it and until you understand what it's like to be a target due to who you are then there's no use in discussing this issue. Next time someone tries to "steal your wallet" but instead bashes your head in until your unrecognizable and then leaves your wallet intact let me know.

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#23 Mar 2, 2009
McMike wrote:
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You're forgetting one important factor: intent. Maybe if the homeowner was always beaten with a bat and then left in a bloody pulp to die you might have a valid comparison. It's of no use trying to convey the importance of hate crimes law when you're going to compare a homeowner somehow getting the crap beaten out of him to what happens with gay bashings. They aren't the same, you know it, I know it, everyone else knows it and until you understand what it's like to be a target due to who you are then there's no use in discussing this issue. Next time someone tries to "steal your wallet" but instead bashes your head in until your unrecognizable and then leaves your wallet intact let me know.
I am not prejudice,,, I have (A) gay friend...I have the same odds of being killed in a plane crash that you do!!! Why do you want a special law??
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I'm not prejudice,, I don't hate people,, Jesus says to love the sinner and hate the sin,,, It would be a sin for me to want a law passed that would help enable you to sin...
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Hmmmmmm

“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#24 Mar 3, 2009
Annaleigh wrote:
<quoted text>I am not prejudice,,, I have (A) gay friend...I have the same odds of being killed in a plane crash that you do!!! Why do you want a special law??
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I'm not prejudice,, I don't hate people,, Jesus says to love the sinner and hate the sin,,, It would be a sin for me to want a law passed that would help enable you to sin...
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Hmmmmmm
Thank you for pinpointing why people like yourself are against hate-crime laws. You're not actually against hate-crime laws due to any reason except for them dealing specifically with gay issues. It's so "Christian" of you, and your kind, to "have a gay friend" but yet want every right to hate and discriminate and to make sure gay people are treated as 2nd class citizens and to make sure no one is punished beyond a minimal means when doing harm against the LGBT community. How hypocritical of you to not want to support any laws which would keep gays and lesbians safe yet you see no harm in the divorce rate yet the Bible clearly points this sin out as being much more severe (ie, it's in the Top Ten).
Mike

Lilburn, GA

#25 Mar 3, 2009
WeTheSheeple wrote:
I'll state it as plainly as I can:
Until I can legally discriminate against someone based on their religion, I will continue to fight for equal "special protection" for my minority group- hate crimes, employment, housing, military service, etc....
Two wrongs may not make a right, but 3 lefts do...
I thought it WAS perfectly legal to discriminate against someone's religion in this country...so long as they're a Christian or a Jew? <= obvious sarcasm....
Jenny

Bakersfield, CA

#26 Mar 5, 2009
They should just kill everyone convicted of murder and rape. So then we could have more room for all these other criminals. Also, it is a waste of our tax dollars. Why do honest and hardworking people have to pay for other people's mistakes?!

Daniel P from Long Island

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#27 Mar 6, 2009
Jenny wrote:
They should just kill everyone convicted of murder and rape. So then we could have more room for all these other criminals. Also, it is a waste of our tax dollars. Why do honest and hardworking people have to pay for other people's mistakes?!
I agree.
Mia

Cohasset, MA

#28 Mar 6, 2009
butt sex?
your gullible..

Since: Aug 08

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#29 Jan 5, 2010
McMike wrote:
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Exactly. If the victim hasn't been gay the guy would be on death row. It's insane the justice system seems to give gay bashers a shoulder to cry on and a pat on the back.
Not just insane but SCARY to think that our law enforcement and court systems could have any type of sympathy or empathy for those who hate and kill gays instead of for the victim. Do away with the so called Gay Panic Defense!

Since: Aug 08

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#30 Jan 5, 2010
Florida has a hate crime law protecting gays but do they EVER USE IT?

Since: Aug 08

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#31 Jan 5, 2010
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I sited religion as an example of another protected class under hate crimes laws. I was pointing out the typical hypocrisy of (mainly) religious groups who are against including sexual orientation in hate crimes protections, when they are not willing to give up their own special protections under current hate crimes laws. This hypocrisy also is evident in the religious groups opposing employment & housing protections for homosexuals, while again refusing to give up their "special protections".
They are that way because they are hypocrites. Religious people want special rights because they want rights they don't want to allow others to have. Religion is a chosen lifestyle choice. They can CHOOSE to serve God or Satan.

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#32 Jan 6, 2010
McMike wrote:
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Thank you for pinpointing why people like yourself are against hate-crime laws. You're not actually against hate-crime laws due to any reason except for them dealing specifically with gay issues. It's so "Christian" of you, and your kind, to "have a gay friend" but yet want every right to hate and discriminate and to make sure gay people are treated as 2nd class citizens and to make sure no one is punished beyond a minimal means when doing harm against the LGBT community. How hypocritical of you to not want to support any laws which would keep gays and lesbians safe yet you see no harm in the divorce rate yet the Bible clearly points this sin out as being much more severe (ie, it's in the Top Ten).
Oh my McMike,,, I was never notified that there was a reply to this post...

I am not Christian, I am transsexual,,, and I thought you knew that because I have posted in threads you have been before..

I was being pointing out the ridiculous type of comments many people use who don't see a need for a hate crimes law...

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