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There are 75 comments on the NBC 4 Washington, DC story from Mar 9, 2008, titled Union: Officers Won't Pay Speed Camera Fines - News Story - WRC.... In it, NBC 4 Washington, DC reports that:

A certain group of drivers is refusing to pay dozens of $40 fines issued by Montgomery County's new speed cameras -- the county's police officers.

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Walk a mile

Walkersville, MD

#61 Mar 14, 2008
This is what the county is reporting. They have kicked back some tickets from officers, even though they were responding to a call. If the officer was responding to your house, and the county didn't determine it to be an emergency, you would want him to speed. Sometimes the officers respond to suspicious situations that fellow officers engage in that aren't technically a call. Not every time the police are driving without lights doesn't mean that they aren't doing something important. Live a mile in their shoes.
just_my_opinion wrote:
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You are wrong, We know that there are times where the officer is resopnding to a call but what we are complaining about is this "In the last eight months of 2007, the department's cameras recorded 224 cases in which police vehicles were recorded traveling more than 10 miles per hour over the speed limit. "Supervisors dismissed 76 of those citations after they determined the officers were responding to calls or had valid reasons to break the speed limit."
This leaves 148 police cars that were speeding FOR NO REASON AT ALL!
The departments have logs and they know if an officer is responding to a call or not and if they are not responding to a call then they need to answer to the same laws that we do.
Walk a mile

Walkersville, MD

#62 Mar 14, 2008
Sounds like you have more of a problem with cops in general than the issue at hand. He makes some good points. Make sure you put your Montgomery county address down when you say that....lets see how fast the police respond to your house.
rbt wrote:
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Your'e nothing more than one more crybaby cop we don't need. Get another job if you are so unhappy in Mont. Co. There is no shortage of good people waiting to take your job when you quit. Your idle threats mean nothing. Sounds to me like you guys are all "Moose" trained
MCPofc

Cockeysville, MD

#63 Mar 14, 2008
just_my_opinion wrote:
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I can understand where you are coming from but you can not honestly tell me that every police car that I see speeding is as you put it.....
"- Backing up another officer, but we are not on a dispatched call!
- Trying to catch up to a stolen car, but we are not on a dispatched call!
- Trying to catch up to a car with stolen tags, but we are not on a dispatched call!
- Trying to catch up to a violator we are trying to stop for speeding, running a red light, stop sign, etc. etc., but we are not on a dispatched call!
- Just observed a wanted person up the block, and we are going back around to make contact with him/her, but we are not on a dispatched call!
- Just observed a runaway that we have been searching for weeks, and he/she is running away, but we are not on a dispatched call!
- Responding to a location to meet a supervisor"
Take the PG officer that slammed into a car while speeding because he was running late for court. Are you going to tell me that he had a valid reason for speeding? How about the officers that use their cars off duty and have family members in the car with the but are speeding down the road, are they justified as well? Like I said before, I know there are numerous valid reasons for you guys to speed but you need to admit that not all of them are justified.
Yes, You are right, not every officer speeding is on a call.

BUT! There are plenty of people here, on this blog, that are saying that "we" should be either FIRED or have to pay EVERY fine and that the police are speeding around "just because we can".

Yes, there are some that speed "just because they can" but of the tickets received, they need to be investigated to see if that's the case, or on duty of off, or justified or not.

The bloggers here are basically saying that the police officers should pay EVERY ticket they get.

We know that we are responsible for the ones that just plain caught us speeding...as are you. But Montgomery County reported that "we" are not paying ANY of them, EVER.

Some officers have been asked to pay tickets WITH their lights and siren on. Is that fair?

So our FOP is requiring this to be bargained out, for protection from that.

In the end, we will be responsible for the tickets that just plain caught us speeding for no reason, but it must go through these steps first.

The law is actually written in such a manner that the officer is not breaking the law. If you read the law, it says that the owner of the vehicle - Montgomery County DPWT - needs to notify the "court" of the actual driver. Well, DPWT isn't doing that, they just send the violation letter to the police department and they in turn bring it to the officer. Technically, DPWT needs to notify the court first.

And as for the officers who just speed around just because they can. Civillians do it all the time too. And most of the time, we don't catch them. We are all human, we can't be perfect.
mak

Newark, NJ

#64 Mar 14, 2008
please- cops shouldnt have to pay the fine while they're working! if they do- that should be the only revenue the county gets from tickets!!!!

Since: Mar 08

Baltimore, MD

#65 Mar 14, 2008
MCPofc wrote:
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Yes, You are right, not every officer speeding is on a call.
BUT! There are plenty of people here, on this blog, that are saying that "we" should be either FIRED or have to pay EVERY fine and that the police are speeding around "just because we can".
Yes, there are some that speed "just because they can" but of the tickets received, they need to be investigated to see if that's the case, or on duty of off, or justified or not.
The bloggers here are basically saying that the police officers should pay EVERY ticket they get.
We know that we are responsible for the ones that just plain caught us speeding...as are you. But Montgomery County reported that "we" are not paying ANY of them, EVER.
Some officers have been asked to pay tickets WITH their lights and siren on. Is that fair?
So our FOP is requiring this to be bargained out, for protection from that.
In the end, we will be responsible for the tickets that just plain caught us speeding for no reason, but it must go through these steps first.
The law is actually written in such a manner that the officer is not breaking the law. If you read the law, it says that the owner of the vehicle - Montgomery County DPWT - needs to notify the "court" of the actual driver. Well, DPWT isn't doing that, they just send the violation letter to the police department and they in turn bring it to the officer. Technically, DPWT needs to notify the court first.
And as for the officers who just speed around just because they can. Civillians do it all the time too. And most of the time, we don't catch them. We are all human, we can't be perfect.
You are right it is not a perfect system and that is something that needs to be tweaked to make it a fair system for everyone. Yes civilians do speed and I admit that I do not always adhere to the speed limit. I also know that when we do get caught we are expected to pay any fines as result of our actions.
I am not one of these people that is out for blood just looking for some honest answers and a good debate and you have given me both.
BadKarma

United States

#66 Mar 14, 2008
You guys are such big cry babies. Some of you guys need to start using spell check, some just dont know what the heck they are talking about. BOTTOM line is there are many cop haters in the metropolitain area. There are also many people that are jealous, if you wanna speed like the POLICE, then put your application in and complete the academy.....oh wait you guys cant cause of whatever reason...scared....prior drug use....credit problems....etc. Yes these are the true cop haters. These are also the metro areas biggiest cry babies that call for their neighbors dog barks to loud, kids are making to much noise when they play in the hallways, when you hear suspicious noises in your backyard or in your garage......etc...
GOD bless our MEN and WOMEN that wear blue and do the deed everyday, and try to make sure we make it home back to our love ones. And you people want us to worry about what you say about us, or to pay a speeding ticket...yeah ok
Concerned Citizen

Newton, NJ

#67 Mar 15, 2008
These cameras are the ultimate violation of the rights of our citizens. They accuse individuals who are not the driver's (violator) of the vehicle and there is no accuser to face in court. The Constitution Protects the people of this great nation from such violations of our rights and they are being ignored in the height of laziness by our lawmakers and police officers. What happened to the days when Officers had discretion in issuing summons. When there was an understanding that there are sometimes extenuating circumstances that cause people to speed and commit other minor traffic infractions. How much worse do things need to get for the people to stand up and protest these violations of our rights.
And now we are issuing Police Officers who are responding to emergencies, come on. How about when an Officer is attempting to catch up to a perpetrator or motor vehicle violator they have to travel at the speed limit to catch up to a driver who is exceeding the posted speed limit, explain how that will happen.
Michelle

New York, NY

#68 Mar 17, 2008
cops suck- they should pay when they are off work-anything they owe they should pay
FatCatDesigner

Annapolis, MD

#69 Mar 17, 2008
Excuse me, don't get your knickers is such a knot! I don't believe that each car ticketed is being driven by an officer who is clearly in violation, however, I certainly don't believe that none are. When pictures of the officers are taken as they speed past and the well known salute showing the raised middle finger is clearly evident, well then what do you say to that? Every driver has experienced the "attitude" of CERTAIN officers while they have been driving; i.e., the "very off duty" officer who comes up on a red light and suddenly, this "very off duty" officers has an immediate need to switch on his/her lights and blast through the light. It's especially interesting when you yourself pull up behind him/her at the bank drive-thru. So please, don't get all twisted up, there are good and bad everywhere, those that help, those that don't. Trouble is, you've chosen a profession that garners public scrutiny. It is YOU that needs to set the correct example, not flaunt it.
Michelle

New York, NY

#70 Mar 17, 2008
no matter- cops suck!
Michelle

New York, NY

#71 Mar 17, 2008
FatCatDesigner wrote:
Excuse me, don't get your knickers is such a knot! I don't believe that each car ticketed is being driven by an officer who is clearly in violation, however, I certainly don't believe that none are. When pictures of the officers are taken as they speed past and the well known salute showing the raised middle finger is clearly evident, well then what do you say to that? Every driver has experienced the "attitude" of CERTAIN officers while they have been driving; i.e., the "very off duty" officer who comes up on a red light and suddenly, this "very off duty" officers has an immediate need to switch on his/her lights and blast through the light. It's especially interesting when you yourself pull up behind him/her at the bank drive-thru. So please, don't get all twisted up, there are good and bad everywhere, those that help, those that don't. Trouble is, you've chosen a profession that garners public scrutiny. It is YOU that needs to set the correct example, not flaunt it.
the tickets they are speaking of as well are the ones accrued on are off hours to-- and they should pay..bottom line
Justme

United States

#72 Mar 21, 2008
Cops always speed for no reason but will ticket us for doing what they show us by example and it's bull. That is not fairness that is monarchy and a BIG missuse of authority. SInce when did a badge make them ABOVE THE LAW and better than the rest of us in this country. No wonder kids no days have no respect for law officers, they know they are speeders lying and hiding behind a badge. Evan ambulances and fire trucks have to do the limit with the lights and siren on.
Justme

United States

#73 Mar 21, 2008
I almost forgot, I AM an ex officer with 8 years in. I KNOW what goes on and it's all just a bunch of crap. ALL CALLS ARE RECORDED TIMES AND DISTANCE ARE RECORDED. MOst of the time cops speed because they can and nobody questions it till the are caught like now. Be fair to cops they have a hard job to do, but at the same time cops need to stop bsing the public about why they are speeding. You guys swore to serve and protect, this includes lying. Where is the honor in lying? Where is the trust we are supposed to have in you if you constantly are breaking the LAW yourselves? Stop the yapping and just fess up.......... your busted.
Kevin

United States

#74 Mar 21, 2008
MD driver wrote:
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Dozens and dozens huh?
Because they can, not because they need to? Can you tell me exactly where those dozens of officers were going when you saw them dodging in and out of lanes, and why were they going there?
No? You can't? Then perhaps you shouldn't assume that they weren't doing something important.
You really should sign up for a ride along, with any department. Even if you hate cops. Just to get an idea of the other side of what we see and know, that the public doesn't see and know. Seriously. Just don't tell them you hate cops.
I know for a fact that this happens, because I listen to all your radio transmissions and know if you are on a call and half the time you are NOT!! Don't sit here and think that the we are really going to buy this crap that you all don't break the laws that you enforce, it just shows how stupid cop's really are!
Small Violin

Shalimar, FL

#75 Jan 25, 2009
Wow,
Many of you "purported" MC peace officers seem to think of yourselves as the finger plugging the hole in the dam. I hate to inform you that you really are not that special. Yes you are here to enforce the laws, but the majority of citizens obey the laws not because threaten/cajole us into it, but because we have a vested interest in our neighborhood(s), counties, state, and country. Also, It would behoove you to remember that you are accountable to the citizens of this county and you serve at THEIR leisure. Keep that in the back of your mind as well as the fact that the world wouldn't end if you weren't around.

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