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A certain group of drivers is refusing to pay dozens of $40 fines issued by Montgomery County's new speed cameras -- the county's police officers. Full Story
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BobD

Stafford, VA

#1 Mar 9, 2008
Surprise surprise. The laws are coming home to roost. Montgomery County only enforce laws they feel good about. The council refuses to enforce laws about Illegals so the Police feel they do not have to self enforce. Only locals get the law down their throat as the police and council do their own things.
anonymous

Frederick, MD

#2 Mar 9, 2008
How typical. No one should be above the law, including policy officers.
Minister Dizzy

Bethesda, MD

#3 Mar 9, 2008
Yah. The cops are above the law. Speed, beat, smoke dope. They do it all.
Fred Butz

Woodbridge, VA

#4 Mar 9, 2008
If they aren't responding to a call, they should pay. So should the county council. I bet they ain't paying either.
no one should have to pay until those who make and enforce the laws pay.

Since: Mar 08

Clarksburg

#5 Mar 9, 2008
Does this surprise anyone?
Far Q

Tampa, FL

#6 Mar 9, 2008
So with logic such as this, county School Buses, Ride-On Buses, Public Work Trucks, and anything with the county seal, dont have to pay, because they are owned by the county?

County workers, INCLUDING police officers, should not be ABOVE the LAW. All county workers, should be held to a higher standard.
Ask More Questions

Silver Spring, MD

#7 Mar 9, 2008
This is the department's way to make police look like the bad guys. Apparently making money is more important than allowing officers to do their jobs. Ask other departments in the region that have speed cameras in their jurisdiction what their policy is. Arlington's policy is not to issue officers tickets. Officers are not allowed to use their lights and siren for whatever they want. This creates the double edge sword for officers. In the few rants that I have read the citizens want officers to be held to task and be issued the citations. But then when it comes to them being the person in need, you can never get there fast enough. The fact is that the county is not dismissing all tickets issued to officers enroute to a call, or backing up another officer. Another thing the county is not telling you is that they are not issuing citations to bus drivers. Before they want to blow the whistle on us they should hold all public service employees to task. And to the citizens out there that are unhappy with the speed cameras out there. SO ARE OFFICERS!!! We all know that they are not solving any problems. Red light cameras have proven to save lives. Speed cameras have proven to slow vehicles in one spot and generate MONEY.
I know officers that have written parking tickets to the mobile speed camera vans for parking on sidewalks. Other officers have talked about sitting near speed cameras with their lights on to warn people, and drive down the county's revenue. Just recently Phil Andrews, a non police supporter, recently stated that officer should realize that working for Montgomery County is a privilege. This is the problem with our county; they are more concerned with taking money from officers versus allowing officers to do their job. And with comments like the one from Phil Andrews does anyone get why your county police officers don't have allegiance to this county. They don't have the support from their bosses and patrons in addition to not being paid enough to live here. If more officers were residents they might have greater stake in the community.

Since: Mar 08

Baltimore, MD

#8 Mar 9, 2008
In a POV you can not tell who was driving but in a police car you not only have the plate number but you have the squad number as well and that with the time the photo was taken you can tell who was on shift at that time and for that reason the officer should be responsible for the ticket. Not only do they get "Special Privileges" but their family members do as well due to the FOP plates on their cars. It's time for the police to stop hiding behind their badges and answer to the same laws that they inforce!

Since: Mar 08

Baltimore, MD

#9 Mar 9, 2008
Ask More Questions wrote:
This is the department's way to make police look like the bad guys. Apparently making money is more important than allowing officers to do their jobs. Ask other departments in the region that have speed cameras in their jurisdiction what their policy is. Arlington's policy is not to issue officers tickets. Officers are not allowed to use their lights and siren for whatever they want. This creates the double edge sword for officers. In the few rants that I have read the citizens want officers to be held to task and be issued the citations. But then when it comes to them being the person in need, you can never get there fast enough. The fact is that the county is not dismissing all tickets issued to officers enroute to a call, or backing up another officer. Another thing the county is not telling you is that they are not issuing citations to bus drivers. Before they want to blow the whistle on us they should hold all public service employees to task. And to the citizens out there that are unhappy with the speed cameras out there. SO ARE OFFICERS!!! We all know that they are not solving any problems. Red light cameras have proven to save lives. Speed cameras have proven to slow vehicles in one spot and generate MONEY.
I know officers that have written parking tickets to the mobile speed camera vans for parking on sidewalks. Other officers have talked about sitting near speed cameras with their lights on to warn people, and drive down the county's revenue. Just recently Phil Andrews, a non police supporter, recently stated that officer should realize that working for Montgomery County is a privilege. This is the problem with our county; they are more concerned with taking money from officers versus allowing officers to do their job. And with comments like the one from Phil Andrews does anyone get why your county police officers don't have allegiance to this county. They don't have the support from their bosses and patrons in addition to not being paid enough to live here. If more officers were residents they might have greater stake in the community.
You are wrong, We know that there are times where the officer is resopnding to a call but what we are complaining about is this "In the last eight months of 2007, the department's cameras recorded 224 cases in which police vehicles were recorded traveling more than 10 miles per hour over the speed limit. "Supervisors dismissed 76 of those citations after they determined the officers were responding to calls or had valid reasons to break the speed limit."
This leaves 148 police cars that were speeding FOR NO REASON AT ALL!

The departments have logs and they know if an officer is responding to a call or not and if they are not responding to a call then they need to answer to the same laws that we do.
Scott L

Fort Worth, TX

#10 Mar 9, 2008
Talk about a perk. I only get "free" cigarettes working for Shell.
DOODLE

AOL

#11 Mar 9, 2008
like our parents used to say --- DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO
Ask More Questions

Silver Spring, MD

#12 Mar 9, 2008
just_my_opinion wrote:
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You are wrong, We know that there are times where the officer is resopnding to a call but what we are complaining about is this "In the last eight months of 2007, the department's cameras recorded 224 cases in which police vehicles were recorded traveling more than 10 miles per hour over the speed limit. "Supervisors dismissed 76 of those citations after they determined the officers were responding to calls or had valid reasons to break the speed limit."
This leaves 148 police cars that were speeding FOR NO REASON AT ALL!
The departments have logs and they know if an officer is responding to a call or not and if they are not responding to a call then they need to answer to the same laws that we do.
Apparently you believe everything you read. Have you seen every letter submitted to the county from the officers that got their tickets upheld? Until you know the entire story which hasn't been reported anywhere I would advise people to refrain from passing judgement.
ex-MC cop-gf

Washington, DC

#13 Mar 9, 2008
They should have to abide by the same laws everyone else does. If they get a ticket, but have an excuse, fight it. If it's legit, they will be "set free" with a slap on the wrist. If it's BS, they should have to pay the ticket + court fees like everyone else does.
But that's not the way it works. They think they are above everyone else and should get special privledges for "putting their life in jeopardy" everyday! Majority of them are a bunch of arrogant bastards.(excuse my language) They think that badge gives them the power of god. Given the fact that I was threatend by my ex when things went south with his service weapon, both physically and mentally abused, the dept. turned their back on me like it didn't happen...I have no pity for any of them. This doesn't surprise me at all, and should surprise you either!
BubDC1220

Gaithersburg, MD

#14 Mar 9, 2008
So by that same logic, when I get a camera-issued ticket while speeding in a rental car I would not be liable since I am not the owner.

Just craziness. The cops think that they have a "do as I say" ability.
eed017

Washington, DC

#15 Mar 9, 2008
Oooh. Above the law and completely unaccountable. So these officers could be considered for jobs in the Bush Administration.
rbt

Upper Marlboro, MD

#16 Mar 9, 2008
Ask More Questions wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently you believe everything you read. Have you seen every letter submitted to the county from the officers that got their tickets upheld? Until you know the entire story which hasn't been reported anywhere I would advise people to refrain from passing judgement.
If you don't like your job..........get another one!!! We don't need abusive people like you in that position.Arrogance will get you guys nowhere.
MCPofc

Baltimore, MD

#17 Mar 9, 2008
Oh Boy. The majority of the public is buying into this propaganda. It's written into the MCGEO contract that all Ride-On bus drivers are NOT accountable for any red light tickets. Do we cops get that? NO.

Have you ever gotten a warning from a police officer? Isn't that the same thing? If we get a speed or red light ticket, we are notified and reprimanded for it, maybe verbally, maybe in writing. But that information never makes the news story, now does it? But isn't that the same thing as us giving you a warning?

The general public has NO idea what our job entails. We are not always running code 3 to every call, but you all want to know why it took us so long to get there? So, in order to assist other officers, or to get to YOUR house a little faster to fix YOUR problem, perhaps to thwart a crime and catch the guy that stole YOUR Ipod, we exceeded the speed limit. Now you are complaining that we exceeded the speed limit.

Guess what:

I WILL NEVER RESPOND FASTER THAN THE SPEED LIMIT TO SAVE YOUR LIFE ANYMORE.

MAYBE, when I operate my laser unit, YOU should now get a ticket for the full amount. Remember how you got stopped and the cop says, "I'm giving you a break and not writing you for the full amount..." NO MORE! You get EVERY ticket I can write.

You say that I'm not above the law (which I never thought I was), then neither are YOU. NEITHER IS CHIEF MANGER OR PHIL ANDREWS OR THE SPEED CAMERA OPERATOR. You should all get every ticket for every law I observe you violating. NO MORE WARNINGS!

My FOP tags don't get my car out of a speed camera ticket. Who the hell thinks that? Idiot!
MCPofc

Baltimore, MD

#18 Mar 9, 2008
The public has to realize that a police officer's job entails doing things that go against what the general public must abide by. We are able to tell people to move along, to block intersections, to search peoples belongings, all based upon the situation. If you don't like that, complaint to the United States Supreme Court. And after you win, you will live in anarchy. Should we be given a traffic ticket for blocking an intersection with our cruiser? Well, why not? We are breaking a traffic law, right? Oh, I see, it only lawful when it's obvious to you why we are doing what we are doing, otherwise, we are maniacs who should be fired, "cause that cop just swerved past me for no reason"

You think your taxes pay my salary? The corporation that you work for gets such large tax breaks for whatever that I pay your salary too, because of higher income or property taxes to make up for it, just so your corporation can get a tax break...get it?

We aren't robots. We are human and make mistakes too. We do get reprimanded at work for them. Do you get fired, written up or fined every time you make a mistake at your work?

The union is necessary but is too strong. If we didn't have the FOP, we wouldn't have any officers because we couldn't live here earning $25,000/ year. But yes, there are bad apples that won't be fired, as they should be, because our union is too strong. If the union doesn't fight or question every change in our work environment, then we may end up losing precious benefits or pay down the road.

We should be held responsible for speeding and other laws when off duty or general patrol, but when we have a valid reason, we need not patrol scared. Because when we patrol scared, YOU the pubic loses.

"Just_my_opinion" stated that 148 police cars were speeding for "no reason at all". How many tickets are still under investigation, prior to being paid? Government investigations sometimes take time. Just because 148 tickets haven't been paid, doesn't mean that 148 tickets won't be paid, or that the officer did not get reprimanded. Again, that statement shows that the general public has no idea what officers are doing at any given time. I'd like to walk into your office, see you typing on the computer and pronounce to your boss that you are IM'ing people on Myspace. How about that? Not fair, right?

Give us a break, we give you a break all the time. Unless, of course...you don't want that anymore.

Since: Feb 08

Takoma Park, MD

#19 Mar 9, 2008
Since they get to take the vehicles home, I'd be interested in how many were officially off duty when the tickets were issued. If they were issued while on duty, that might be a little easier to swallow.
rbt

Upper Marlboro, MD

#20 Mar 9, 2008
MCPofc wrote:
The public has to realize that a police officer's job entails doing things that go against what the general public must abide by. We are able to tell people to move along, to block intersections, to search peoples belongings, all based upon the situation. If you don't like that, complaint to the United States Supreme Court. And after you win, you will live in anarchy. Should we be given a traffic ticket for blocking an intersection with our cruiser? Well, why not? We are breaking a traffic law, right? Oh, I see, it only lawful when it's obvious to you why we are doing what we are doing, otherwise, we are maniacs who should be fired, "cause that cop just swerved past me for no reason"
You think your taxes pay my salary? The corporation that you work for gets such large tax breaks for whatever that I pay your salary too, because of higher income or property taxes to make up for it, just so your corporation can get a tax break...get it?
We aren't robots. We are human and make mistakes too. We do get reprimanded at work for them. Do you get fired, written up or fined every time you make a mistake at your work?
The union is necessary but is too strong. If we didn't have the FOP, we wouldn't have any officers because we couldn't live here earning $25,000/ year. But yes, there are bad apples that won't be fired, as they should be, because our union is too strong. If the union doesn't fight or question every change in our work environment, then we may end up losing precious benefits or pay down the road.
We should be held responsible for speeding and other laws when off duty or general patrol, but when we have a valid reason, we need not patrol scared. Because when we patrol scared, YOU the pubic loses.
"Just_my_opinion" stated that 148 police cars were speeding for "no reason at all". How many tickets are still under investigation, prior to being paid? Government investigations sometimes take time. Just because 148 tickets haven't been paid, doesn't mean that 148 tickets won't be paid, or that the officer did not get reprimanded. Again, that statement shows that the general public has no idea what officers are doing at any given time. I'd like to walk into your office, see you typing on the computer and pronounce to your boss that you are IM'ing people on Myspace. How about that? Not fair, right?
Give us a break, we give you a break all the time. Unless, of course...you don't want that anymore.
Your'e nothing more than one more crybaby cop we don't need. Get another job if you are so unhappy in Mont. Co. There is no shortage of good people waiting to take your job when you quit. Your idle threats mean nothing. Sounds to me like you guys are all "Moose" trained

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