Officer shoots, kills armed teenager

Apr 3, 2007 Full story: Dayton Daily News 85

A Dayton police officer who shot and killed an 18-year-old during a confrontation early Monday will remain on paid administrative as homicide and internal affairs detectives investigate what happened. via Dayton Daily News

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Dinah

Monkton, MD

#22 Apr 17, 2008
Tomek wrote:
just what we need. more trigger happy pigs.
You're in Britain; home of BIG BROTHER cameras on the street. Who gives a DANG what you think.
Dinah

Monkton, MD

#23 Apr 17, 2008
ashley wrote:
you all are ignorant and you need to shut up talking about my best friend like that! you don't bother to ask what really happened. well i will tell you i was there that night that nolan was MURDERED. nolan is the one who called the police to get this drunken man out of his house. we tried to make this man leave for an hour! that man said he was going to get his gun. nolan was not "running around shooting at people". he was protecting his home. nolan did not want to hurt that man. if he did, he would have let us throw the boiling water on him. but he told me not to, saying if we threw it and he rushed at us, he would have to shoot him (and this was in his own home.)another thing, if that pig would have said FREEZE or PUT THE GUN DOWN, nolan would have listened. but gregory orrick did not announce himself. instead, he crept around the side of the building like the trigger-happy cop home from war that he is, and he SHOT TO KILL, not to stop the threat. if he actually saw what happened, he wouldn't have shot nolan. nolan ran into the house holding his neck. he said "HE SHOT ME, HE SHOT ME! CALL THE POLICE! I NEED HELP" he didn't even know the police were there. even after he was shot, he thought that man shot him and he looked to the police for help, but they didn't help him. i know there is an active cover up on nolan's murder. i don't mind to talk about it either because if i lose my life by a trigger happy cop, at least i will die knowing i gave my life for my best friend. i gave all that i could. this is not about color. this is about justice. Gregory Orick, i wish they would have murdered you in Iraq so that people living in the 5th district would really be safe. how many others are out there like you. i can't even leave my house because i am so afraid of the police and if you ever read this, you stole my future, my will to live and do good, you stole the light out of my life and you ruined my life. my friend lost his life and you got a paid vacation while he is laying there so cold. you don't deserve to be a cop. you only make the streets more dangerous for us all and i pray for anyone who has the misfortune to cross your path. i hate you. i hope you go to bed every night knowing that nolan needed your help, and you murdered him.
You may have known and loved that person, but sorry that is no excuse to point a gun at or shoot a police officer. Times are NOT what they were.

If you are going to pack heat you'd better be able to use it responsibly.

What is more, folks like us are getting sick and tired of law enforcement officers having to get admin leave, or fired because some DIPWAD doesn't know better than to resist law enforcement. I don't feel a BIT sorry for your little friend; 18 or no. My kin has a license to pack too, but he doesn't go pointing his tool at everyone he feels like. If you can't cool it; don't tool it.

I don't know about YOUR cops; but with MS 13 in our area WE need our "pigs". Dipwad.
Dinah

Monkton, MD

#24 Apr 17, 2008
dangerousdave wrote:
the police are not obligated by law to protect you from violent crimes, they can sit back and watch one if they please... thats why the right to bear arms is in the constitution... so everyone should carry a gun if they are smart. idk the details of this story but you really cant blame him for having the gun.
I agree. I don't blame the young man one bit for having a gun to protect himself. In these times, you can not be sure. I think it was just a tragic accident from what it sounds like.

By the way, WHY is it taking so long for the cops to arrive? Around here it usually takes about 10-15 minutes. But then we're not big city either.

At any rate, if there is an intruder in your home, waiting THAT long is too long.
Dinah

Monkton, MD

#25 Apr 17, 2008
pamela hunter wrote:
this is some what true dave but, we really just sorra got the rights to carry guns back...and then, thats so many rules . you can be a ccw holder one day ,then a felone the next, because how you should carry your weapon...then laws changa from county to county,city to city,state to state...for example, u can leave my appartment, lets say and get on salem,drive 5 mins, now you are in harrison township, now you are in a new law zone...it's wasn't like that when the constitution was written...pam
That's scary. Sounds like you have too many laws governing firearms. Too bad there isn't just small set of state laws; then you wouldn't have to worry about it.
Dinah

Monkton, MD

#26 Apr 17, 2008
The Media wrote:
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Ever noticed that when the police have to fight with someone and that person gets hurt, it's a "beating", but if the officer gets hurt, it's just a "scuffle"? More media spin for ya.
You got that right. It's like the Rodney King incident in L.A.(?). The media made it look like Rodney was just getting the tar beat out of him. NO. What they DON'T tell you is that King was high on PCP and was busy trying to toss the officers like rag dolls. The media ALSO didn't show the WHOLE video where King had assaulted the officers first.

If anybody knows anything about PCP, it's a TERRIBLE drug that can make your body walk like a frickin zombie even after all your internal organs are damaged beyond repair.
John

Cincinnati, OH

#27 Apr 17, 2008
Dinah wrote:
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I agree. I don't blame the young man one bit for having a gun to protect himself. In these times, you can not be sure. I think it was just a tragic accident from what it sounds like.
By the way, WHY is it taking so long for the cops to arrive? Around here it usually takes about 10-15 minutes. But then we're not big city either.
At any rate, if there is an intruder in your home, waiting THAT long is too long.
It depends what they told the 911 operator when they called. If they said "John, a friend won't leave", it could very easily take a few hours for the cops in Dayton to arrive. We have a lot of crime in this city, and sometimes, if something kicks off, the cops get backlogged.

Now, if this guy was inside the other guy's house, threatening violence, and he won't leave. That's one thing. He'd be justified shooting him. But, this shooting happened OUTSIDE. The dead guy followed him outside and was shooting at him, apparently as he was trying to leave.

Imagine, you're a cop who sees a man firing a gun at another man who is unarmed, and trying to flee. What would you do? I'd hate to live with myself knowing I let an innocent, unarmed person get shot to death, and all I did was watch.

Oh, and in a situation like that, the police don't need to yell "Drop the gun" before firing. In a situation where there is an active shooter, every second counts. The guy has already shown he doesn't mind shooting at innocent people. The next person he tries to shoot could be you.
Ashley

Long Beach, CA

#28 Apr 23, 2008
Extremely aggrivated wrote:
Wow! I would just like to say that you cop haters are nothing but uneducated black people from the armpits of the west side of Dayton trying to get a dollar. You do not know what you are talking about when you speak about that night. I feel bad that someone lost their life, but it is not the officers fault he is dead. Nolan picked up a gun and pointed it repeatedly at someone which implies he was going to shoot that man. Hence, never point your gun at something or someone unless you are prepared to shoot. Officer Orick saved a life that day, Nolan and his family chose to bring the violence that night by their actions. ALWAYS look over your shoulder in Dayton because a cop might catch ya doing something your not suppose to. Bad boys, Bad boys whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you!
i would just like to say that i am an educated white woman from the suburbs and race has nothing to do with this issue. nolan's family doesn't want money they want justice. true you need to look over your shoulder in dayton, but its only because you never know when the cops will unneccessarily use extreme force when it is not warranted. why are you making judgements when you know nothing of the truth? that sounds uneducated to me.
Ashley

Long Beach, CA

#29 Apr 23, 2008
Unknown wrote:
<quoted text>
And the empty .25 cal shell casing at the scene came from where?
he shot the gun in the air to scare that man away. nolan never shot at that man.
Ashley

Long Beach, CA

#30 Apr 23, 2008
John wrote:
You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
Why does no one ever talk about Nolan's criminal record? Apparently his OWN MOTHER didn't think he was such a good person, or she wouldn't have filed domestic violence charges against him in the past! Or, did the police make her do that too?
Its time to take some personal responsibility. It was a good shoot.
the domestic violence charges were against her jerk. she also told me from her own mouth that she lied on him and said he hit her. he would never hit his mother. know it all before you judge know it all.
Ashley

Long Beach, CA

#31 Apr 23, 2008
Dinah wrote:
<quoted text>
You may have known and loved that person, but sorry that is no excuse to point a gun at or shoot a police officer. Times are NOT what they were.
If you are going to pack heat you'd better be able to use it responsibly.
What is more, folks like us are getting sick and tired of law enforcement officers having to get admin leave, or fired because some DIPWAD doesn't know better than to resist law enforcement. I don't feel a BIT sorry for your little friend; 18 or no. My kin has a license to pack too, but he doesn't go pointing his tool at everyone he feels like. If you can't cool it; don't tool it.
I don't know about YOUR cops; but with MS 13 in our area WE need our "pigs". Dipwad.
Nolan didn't point a gun or shoot at the cop. he didn't even know they were there. so how could he resist? if that cop said freeze or drop your weapon, nolan would have if given the chance because we were waiting on the police. nolan was protevting his home and his life from someont he thought had a gun. dipwad
Ashley

Long Beach, CA

#32 Apr 23, 2008
John wrote:
<quoted text>
It depends what they told the 911 operator when they called. If they said "John, a friend won't leave", it could very easily take a few hours for the cops in Dayton to arrive. We have a lot of crime in this city, and sometimes, if something kicks off, the cops get backlogged.
Now, if this guy was inside the other guy's house, threatening violence, and he won't leave. That's one thing. He'd be justified shooting him. But, this shooting happened OUTSIDE. The dead guy followed him outside and was shooting at him, apparently as he was trying to leave.
Imagine, you're a cop who sees a man firing a gun at another man who is unarmed, and trying to flee. What would you do? I'd hate to live with myself knowing I let an innocent, unarmed person get shot to death, and all I did was watch.
Oh, and in a situation like that, the police don't need to yell "Drop the gun" before firing. In a situation where there is an active shooter, every second counts. The guy has already shown he doesn't mind shooting at innocent people. The next person he tries to shoot could be you.
that man said he was leaving to get his gun. was he supposed to wait till the man shot through his fromt door. that man was drunk. he was not innocent and nolan didn't shoot at him.
Ashley

Long Beach, CA

#33 Apr 23, 2008
i'm sick of people judging nolan and this situation when they have no clue who he was or what happened. i have posted on here and people still have misconceptions of that night. i wish people would mind their own business or stop being so quick to judge him because he was a young black man with a gun. he had that gun for protection. he was scared for his life.
Ashley

Long Beach, CA

#34 Apr 23, 2008
John wrote:
<quoted text>
It depends what they told the 911 operator when they called. If they said "John, a friend won't leave", it could very easily take a few hours for the cops in Dayton to arrive. We have a lot of crime in this city, and sometimes, if something kicks off, the cops get backlogged.
Now, if this guy was inside the other guy's house, threatening violence, and he won't leave. That's one thing. He'd be justified shooting him. But, this shooting happened OUTSIDE. The dead guy followed him outside and was shooting at him, apparently as he was trying to leave.
Imagine, you're a cop who sees a man firing a gun at another man who is unarmed, and trying to flee. What would you do? I'd hate to live with myself knowing I let an innocent, unarmed person get shot to death, and all I did was watch.
Oh, and in a situation like that, the police don't need to yell "Drop the gun" before firing. In a situation where there is an active shooter, every second counts. The guy has already shown he doesn't mind shooting at innocent people. The next person he tries to shoot could be you.
antonio wasn't rtying to flee, he was calling nolan outside in the street saying he was gonna kill his girl when she was home and stuff like that. nolan thought antonio shot him.
John

Cincinnati, OH

#35 Apr 23, 2008
Ashley wrote:
<quoted text>
that man said he was leaving to get his gun. was he supposed to wait till the man shot through his fromt door. that man was drunk. he was not innocent and nolan didn't shoot at him.
So let me get this straight, according to you, he fired warning shots. Why would he follow him outside to fire warning shots? That's plain foolish.
John

Cincinnati, OH

#36 Apr 23, 2008
Ashley wrote:
<quoted text>antonio wasn't rtying to flee, he was calling nolan outside in the street saying he was gonna kill his girl when she was home and stuff like that. nolan thought antonio shot him.
But, according to you, Nolan only fired warning shots. Why did he go out into the street after him, just to fire warning shots? Warning for what? You don't do crap like that.

Honestly, even if what you say is true,(it might be), Officer Orick was justified in the shooting legally. A reasonable person under those circumstances would do what he did. When you believe someone is in the process of shooting at someone, you don't have time to yell "Drop the gun!". You have to stop the threat immediately.
John

Cincinnati, OH

#37 Apr 23, 2008
Ashley wrote:
<quoted text>the domestic violence charges were against her jerk. she also told me from her own mouth that she lied on him and said he hit her. he would never hit his mother. know it all before you judge know it all.
It takes a pretty evil person to falsely accuse their own child of domestic violence. Probably the same kind of evil person who would exploit their own child's death.
Ashley

Long Beach, CA

#38 Apr 26, 2008
what she did has nothing to do with this situation. no one is exploiting his death either. nolan fired those shots to scare that man away, not to shoot at him. if he was going to shoot him, he would have done it while that man was in his house. antonio said he was going to get his gun and 10 minutes later he was back again outside making threats. Nolan was trying to scare him away so no one would get hurt.
John

Cincinnati, OH

#39 Apr 26, 2008
Ok. We'll say he was simply trying to scare him away. If that's true, what happened was a tragedy, but that still doesn't mean Officer Orick did anything wrong. He dealt with the facts he observed, and had to make a split second decision. Everybody makes bad decisions sometimes. Some just have worse consequences.
sa bom

AOL

#40 May 24, 2008
John wrote:
Ok. We'll say he was simply trying to scare him away. If that's true, what happened was a tragedy, but that still doesn't mean Officer Orick did anything wrong. He dealt with the facts he observed, and had to make a split second decision. Everybody makes bad decisions sometimes. Some just have worse consequences.
by the way john it took the cops about one hr and 45 mins to get there after nolan called the cops yes sir nolan called the cops.really ,if anything nolan called them then thay killed him trying to avoid a problem. in a hr an 45, wut would do in that time if the shoe was on your foot. would you wait to see if the cops was comming. or would you think about the time thay get here " i'll be dead.your friend truly.me
UNKNOWN

Harrison, OH

#41 May 25, 2008
ashley wrote:
you all are ignorant and you need to shut up talking about my best friend like that! you don't bother to ask what really happened. well i will tell you i was there that night that nolan was MURDERED. nolan is the one who called the police to get this drunken man out of his house. we tried to make this man leave for an hour! that man said he was going to get his gun. nolan was not "running around shooting at people". he was protecting his home. nolan did not want to hurt that man. if he did, he would have let us throw the boiling water on him. but he told me not to, saying if we threw it and he rushed at us, he would have to shoot him (and this was in his own home.)another thing, if that pig would have said FREEZE or PUT THE GUN DOWN, nolan would have listened. but gregory orrick did not announce himself. instead, he crept around the side of the building like the trigger-happy cop home from war that he is, and he SHOT TO KILL, not to stop the threat. if he actually saw what happened, he wouldn't have shot nolan. nolan ran into the house holding his neck. he said "HE SHOT ME, HE SHOT ME! CALL THE POLICE! I NEED HELP" he didn't even know the police were there. even after he was shot, he thought that man shot him and he looked to the police for help, but they didn't help him. i know there is an active cover up on nolan's murder. i don't mind to talk about it either because if i lose my life by a trigger happy cop, at least i will die knowing i gave my life for my best friend. i gave all that i could. this is not about color. this is about justice. Gregory Orick, i wish they would have murdered you in Iraq so that people living in the 5th district would really be safe. how many others are out there like you. i can't even leave my house because i am so afraid of the police and if you ever read this, you stole my future, my will to live and do good, you stole the light out of my life and you ruined my life. my friend lost his life and you got a paid vacation while he is laying there so cold. you don't deserve to be a cop. you only make the streets more dangerous for us all and i pray for anyone who has the misfortune to cross your path. i hate you. i hope you go to bed every night knowing that nolan needed your help, and you murdered him.
NATHAN LEVI HOWARD was brutally murdered by a springfield police officer march 5, 2008... I know how you feel the police have the power to do anything they want and they can get away with it because they have a badge. They shot and killed Nathan on lost road the officer fired 11 shots. only 3 hit Nathan and he died there on lost road because a stupid trigger happy cop was on scene. Nathan had 2 children and a wonderful family... Trust me I know how you feel about this subject... Don't listen to the people who are bad mouthing they have nothing better to do than leave bad comments about things like this.. but let's see how they would act if it was their family. They would be doing the same thing that we are doing writing against the people who have done the wrong.

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