Anti-ethanol group raising funds

Aug 7, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Virginia/North Carolina News

“The Board of Supervisors has the ultimate say. We need to let the Board know, in no uncertain terms, that they are responsible for the people, and if they don't do their job, they'll be out of a job. If they vote for this, we won't vote for them”

Staff report CHASE CITY - The Association to Preserve Mecklenburg met Wednesday to discuss its plans - including raising funds and writing letters - for opposing the proposed Osage Bio Energy's ethanol plant. via Virginia/North Carolina News

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Not Nieve

Birmingham, AL

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Aug 7, 2007
 
Seems the outsiders like to attack the elderly and retired people to take their side for their bennifit. This is not the first time or the first southern town they have tried to stop progress for their personal bennifit or take over approach. Lets face it,most of them retired on a higher income than us locals,worked in smog smothered cities, and are still kicking and raising cane at a ripe old age. It is obvious they are not looking for jobs and have plenty of time to complain.

Since: Aug 07

Chase City, Va

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Aug 7, 2007
 
Met me do some quick calculations here. Hmmmm, 30 thousand residents in Mecklenburg County. 900 petitions signed by represent .03 percent of the population. Dang! The Board is in dire circumstances!!!!!! C'mon. 900 people signing means 29,100 haven't signed. How many signitures does CCP have????? The answer: for everyone who doesn't sign with APC's that's how many. You have to look at it politically.

Since: Aug 07

Danville, VA

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Aug 8, 2007
 
Let me begin by saying that I have lived in the South Central Virginia region all my life. No one loves the natural beauty of the area any more than I do. That said, however, let me point out that the national unemployment rate is around 4.6% while the unemployment rate for this region is 9-10%. WE NEED JOBS!!!! It seems that most of the opposition to the Osage ethanol plant comes from people not native to this area. This is not the South of the Reconstruction. We did not need the Northern carpetbaggers coming into the South to take advantage of the people and the land then; and we do not need a group of Northern, retiree transplants to dictate what our land use plans should be now. We need to welcome the Osage plant with open arms and hopefully other industries will follow.

Since: Aug 07

Chase City, Va

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Aug 10, 2007
 
Welcome to the forum cisj. I agree we need the jobs badly. Most don't realize eiter the per cap of people in Case City is $13,500.00 while Clarksville and South Hill are both above $20,000.00 Also, Victora VA is almost identicle to Chase City. The fact that most all industry is gone from both Chase City and Victoria are determining facts. CCP provides documental facts, APC provides sceculation and incomplete data. And THAT'S a fact.
ccr

Gloucester, VA

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Sep 30, 2007
 
It seems that the only things you are writing about are negative comments about people you don't know. What facts are you presenting that apply to the ethanol plant? Isn't that what this is really about?

Since: Jul 07

Crewe, VA

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Sep 30, 2007
 
I agree with you CSLJ on your post completely. Glad to have you on board. CCR the facts have been posted in some of the previous post. However since it has been a while and we have gotten a little side tracked here are some of them. They are but are not limited to.

This area needs jobs. All you need to do to confirm this is look at the unemployment rate.

That if these plants were as dangerous as they would have all of us believe then why can people work there in the first place.

Why are we going to worry about a plant "BLOWING UP AND LEVELING" Chase city when we have 3 Propane and fuel storage facillities that are with in town limits. One right at the intersection there at Hardees

The plant is dangerous because it will release toxic fumes if it catches fire according to the apm. However there is an agriculture supply warehouse less than 50 yards from a nursing home and a 100 yards from the elementary school. We have had no problems with that because they have a fire safty plan just like everyone else

That one of its most vocal members has a automotive body repair supply house. He has all kinds of flamable and toxic chemicals or compounds just because of the nature of his business. Yet he runs his business right beside a bunch of house. And he has been a good neighbor and has a fire safty plan to

That there will be the same amount of truck traffic in the town that has been through it back when we had 2 truck terminals and the mulch processing plant in skipwith. THE ROADS ARE BUILT TO AND WILL SUPPORT THE TRUCKS!!!

That the winds typicaly come from the west and that this plant is to the west of the town. Therefore MOST of the time the smell will be blown outside of town. South hill would have more to worry about the smell then Chase city will.

The waste treatment facility for chase city release its treated water back into the lake. This place will most likely have to have containment berems around it like every thing else so that its lost chemicals can not get to the water supply.

That down the road 3 miles is going to be the new land fill that has creeks on it. This means that all of its run off that if not handled propertly (WHICH IT WILL!) will run into the lake and be far more dangerous then what the ethanol plant is.

That ethanol is the same thing as everclear in the ABC store. If ethanol is so dangerous then maybe you should try and start prohabition back up and stop the consupmtion of acohol.

Since: Jul 07

Crewe, VA

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Sep 30, 2007
 
The fact is that these people only have there personal intrest in mind and not the people around them. This can be proven by the fact that the man that started the apm Mr. David Frazier was from out of town but had the esquine center he is trying to sell. Then he backed out and Mrs. Mass stepped to the plate. Now she is going to sell her place before she even knows if the plant is going to come. Please see http://www.oldhouseproperties.com/properties/...
Now true she may have other reason and they are her own. but it is suspicious.

That ethanol is going to be the replacement fuel in the short term regardless if it is the answer to the problem or not and we need to allow our area to be in that fore front.

That the APM has yet to back up any of there propaganda with facts. Only opinions and fear tactics.

That we have invited them to name a place on neutral grounds on there terms in which we can come together around the table and discuss both sides BUT THEY WONT!

That the clover power plant to the west of town and the Mecklenburg cogen in Clarksville releases a lot more pollutatnts then this plant. Please see the DEQ Website for the facts.

That the APM has interrupted some peoples worship to force the organizations propaganda. They have gone into a few churches and tried to talk there crap during Sunday worship services. This is not only wrong but immoral. My understanding is that tere were not invited and had to be escorted off the property.

There will be a both at the Fair this year and i think both sides will be in the same building. Perhaps anyone that is undecided or knows just one side of this which ever side it is needs to come and talk to both organizations and then you decide. The Concerned Citizens for Progress (CCP) will not force its ideas upon you. We will give you the facts that we have found then it is your decision as to what you feel and believe. You will not hear anyone from the Association to Preserve Mecklenburg say this. As they think that they are the only ones that have the right idea. We just want to the people to be informed of all the facts before they make a final decision. If your decision is still against our cause then so be and thank you for you time to listen. All I ask is please come by and listen to what we have to say

Since: Jul 07

Crewe, VA

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Sep 30, 2007
 
I am hopping this came up right. I had to do it in two different post. If you dont see two post wahit a day and ill repost

Since: Aug 07

Chase City, Va

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Sep 30, 2007
 
Negative comments? Yea, I suppose most of my comments are negative when it comes to replies to the anti-ethanol folks. The reason most of my comments are negative towards them however is due to the relentless misinformtion they put out. They have talked about LULUs, but not told the ENTIRE meaning. They have talked about the lake like it was given us by God for recreational purposes rather than the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for flood control and power generation. They didn't mention 1000's of people had to leave homes, farms and lands for the creation of the lake. They have talked about massive traffic would terrorize Chase City, they imply long time residents aren't capable of telling if the ethanol plant is good or bad. They just don't tell the truth. I firmly beieve they don't understand it's as though they are talking down to people. I talk to lots of people on the streets and in the county and they say the same thing. Why do they talk down to people? They all but threaten to vote out council members who don't do what they are TOLD based on 1(one) decision the council may or may not make. My gosh! is THAT American? As for not presenting facts, where and when did APM present any documentation to back up what they write? On their website? Well, how can a person believe the website, or APM members, when their very own disclaimer states the information they use may be inaccurate, incomplete or used out of context. Doesn't that tell you they don't claim responsibility for misinformation? And why doesn't APM have an open meeting to discuss their views? The president of APM hs been invited to attend the CCP meetings. CCP held an open meeting and APM members were welcomed. APM could do the same thing. And yes, I don't know most of the people I write about, I'm sure most of them are really nice folks. I just don't agree with the tactics they use to get out their message. If being upfront and confrontational is what it takes to get my point across, so be it. It must be working, you replied. And you think I'M more negatve than APM?

Since: Aug 07

Chase City, Va

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Sep 30, 2007
 
Oh, and Stephen, on the moving away list you can add the Van Engans. Thier house was for sale before the ethanol debates ever got going. The house is sold and they have moved now. I guess we can take 2 more names off the 902 they tout. Let's see, Frazier is gone, Bert and his wife, that's 3. We know for sure others have rescinded their position and joined us, APM just don't know it.
Atlanta rez

Marietta, GA

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Nov 15, 2007
 
I am thinking of relocating to your community and the ethanol plant issue is a concern. I was hoping this forum would produce more real information about the emissions etc of the plant. Since Chase City has a lot of springs, doesn't that make the aquifer very susceptible to pollution? Wouldn't any pollution in the ground water render Chase City real estate worthless? I understand the plant has sealed piping, but what if it breaks? What if someone turns the wrong valve? Just asking...seems to me the community could make money from it's historical nature as a destination.

Since: Aug 07

Chase City, Va

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Nov 15, 2007
 
Atlanta, anything COULD happen. Right now we have 2 oil companies with oil storage facilities located inside the town limits. We have 2 LP companies with storage ficilities in town. We have a fertilizer storage business located next to a school and rail way. What if there was a wrong valve turned at one of those? We can't live in a what if world. The fact is it's as safe and modern designed facility as is built today. The Chase City area is ripe for this plant. We need the industry and the industry wants us. CC is the poorest per cap town in this area, we have the highest rate of elderly poverty in Mecklenburg County and are only a few years away from not being able to sustain a low town tax base. These are facts redily available through the cencus. For more ethanol facts, both pro and con, you can use this website. www.ccprogress.com
Stephen Hatcher Jr

Taylor, PA

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Nov 15, 2007
 
to go further with this. The water in this area is some of the best. But like CCrez said even if this did or didnt leak there are things that could happen anytime to cause the same effect. I live about 2 miles from where this will be. I dont see an issue with it. The DEQ will enforce the clean up of any spills if any. I think you moving here would be just fine plant or not. The emmisions form this plant are far less then the clover power plant that is due west of the town. the plant is owned by old dominion power if you would like to research that. I would be more concerned of that plant then i would the ethanol plant. ABoubt were in or community are you planning to locate. if you give us the general area then we could tell you more baout some of the risk already in the area
Atlanta rez

Marietta, GA

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Nov 24, 2007
 
Thanks for your replies. I appreciate your information. Too bad you couldn't get a boutique hotel to come in and put up another springs oriented resort. That would provide more jobs from what I have read so far. The area is so beautiful...What happened to close down the beautiful old hotel CC had years ago?

Since: Aug 07

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Nov 25, 2007
 
The hotel burned in the early 1900's. In all the years since there has been no interest in building another one. Possibly because we are too far off of the tourists's beaten paths.

Thank you for your compliment! We think the area is beautiful, too!
Wayne Byerly

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Dec 28, 2007
 
Above all else, please remember that the ethanol industry exists ONLY because of the ethanol subsidy. Why was the subsidy passed? Because the ethanol lobby lied about the efficiency of ethanol production. They claim an Energy Ratio of 1.67 or 67% more energy in ethanol than were put into it. Can't be. A fundamental law of chemistry says it is impossible for more energy to be obtained by a process than were put into the process. It actually requires approximately 3 tmes as much energy to make ethanol as ethanol contains. Take out the buckets of money the ethanol industry pays to politicians, and the politicians might tell the truth that the true
Energy Ratio is about 33%, not 167%, and the voters might not be so inclined to support the politicians. Just follow the money!

Since: Aug 07

Chase City, Va

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Dec 28, 2007
 
Wayne Byerly wrote:
Above all else, please remember that the ethanol industry exists ONLY because of the ethanol subsidy. Why was the subsidy passed? Because the ethanol lobby lied about the efficiency of ethanol production. They claim an Energy Ratio of 1.67 or 67% more energy in ethanol than were put into it. Can't be. A fundamental law of chemistry says it is impossible for more energy to be obtained by a process than were put into the process. It actually requires approximately 3 tmes as much energy to make ethanol as ethanol contains. Take out the buckets of money the ethanol industry pays to politicians, and the politicians might tell the truth that the true
Energy Ratio is about 33%, not 167%, and the voters might not be so inclined to support the politicians. Just follow the money!
I've stated this before but I'll do it again. If we take out the subsidy for ethanol why not do the same with patroleum. Why can't people get through their heads how much a gallon of gas would cost if ALL SUBSIDIES were taken away? Only then can you compare gas to ethanol. I've done the math, written about the math and preached about the math. Do yourself a favor and RESEARCH the OIL INDUSTRY before you kiss its fanny. Next, everyone with an ounce of sense knows ethanol is but a portion of what this country needs to focus on to achieve self relienance. And finally, if you are determined to rely on the Saudis to keep you and your family supplied with oil then I suggest you convert to Islam and move way, way East. The you can drive until the fields start drying up. Oil is non renewable.
sosueme

Annapolis, MD

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Dec 31, 2007
 
Right on Chasecityrez, I am really starting to beleive that they are a bunch of dumd----- fighting the progress of this country! I really don't like to get into political situiations and how much a human being takes advantage of the mind they were given but,where in the heck is their butts at now ? I can tell this much with just a little bit of common sense, we are padding the pockets of those we are so much opposed!
Now for you that are not looking foward, I suggest that you stop and think a little bit on your own, not what you read and see on the local NEGATIVE NEWS,just think with the capability GOD gave you to think with!
OK,you are lost. Meaning being, speak from the heart and not from the ass, and let us go foward and forget the past!!!!!!
I would rather pay more for anything that was made in the USA than I would for something that was made in a country that is determed to whip our ass!!!@
Halifax Facts

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Dec 31, 2007
 
Wayne, how long does it take you to tie that turbin (rag) on your head every morning?
Stephen Hatcher Jr

South Boston, VA

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Jan 2, 2008
 
LOL Halifax facts you nailed that one. Maybe we should mail wayne a copy of the Koran so he can start practicing looking to the east towards mecca. I guess he also is in total support of walmart and the complete empire of china since you cant buy anything that isnt made in china from wal fart. Oh well... What can we say. He is good at the math though. Maybe he is the next albert einstein that nows how to make a lot of energy from nothing. I mean come on, oil takes nothing to extract and refine in comparison to ethanol. Never mind that the average oil well is over 10,000 feet deep. How much fuel does that take alone to get a well that deep plus the fuel to haul the mud used to keep the bit cool and get the drilling gear to the well. Then lets consider the amount of fuel to get it to the tanker and the fuel to get the tanker overseas. Hope and pray that the tanker doesnt spring a leak and over 100 million gallons of oil contaminating the dellicate ocean enviroment. Then we have the cost in fuel to heat the oil and refine it. then the cost of fuel to get the final product to the consumer. Man that just dont seem to add up to ethanol does it?????? You know some people need to keep thier third grade educations to themselves! Now he does demonstrate that he at least has a high school education when he states there is a fundamental law of chemistry that says it is impossible to get out more energy then what is put in. this is a true statement. But then he demonstrates the thrid grade agian as he doesnt see that the fuel he uses fits the same law. But he wishes to continue to support the rag heads overseas. So unlees he can fart about 100 million barrels of methane gas a day to supply us then maybe he can provide us with a working solution. What do you have for us Wayne? Time to demonstrate your brilliance!!!!!!!!

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