N.C. Republican Pol Stands by Anti-Gay Remarks

Jan 3, 2011 Full story: EDGEchicago.com News Feed 29

For the second time in as many years, a GOP lawmaker of Mecklenburg County, N.C., has roiled his colleagues and constituents--and created a national furor--with comments about gays.

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“I am happy”

Since: Jul 08

St. Petersburg, FL

#21 Jan 5, 2011
Rick in Kansas wrote:
It's the "beauty" of our Democratic system, almost anyone can get elected if you play your cards right. Bill James is now and always will be a rabid and unrepentant anti-Gay bigot. There has to be a reason why people like James get elected and re-elected, but he is what he is. If we ever needed his vote in whatever office he was elected to hold, it would probably mean whatever we were doing was wrong to begin with, so ignore him. Accept the fact that any time that he has any "thoughts" regarding anything and anybody not heterosexual, they are going to be mean-spirited and bigoted and until the dead girl/live boy rule inevitably befalls him, he's going to keep his taxpayer funded job thanks to the "voters". Cover him when he doesn't have anything ugly to say, we'd hear a lot less of him...
He has been like that since the 90s. My lack of surprise on this should be telling to all my gay counterparts. Bill James has been and always will be the way he is. Not saying it is right, but I have learned to accept him for being the fat guy in the county that comes up with some real stupid stuff and this is no exception.

“I am happy”

Since: Jul 08

St. Petersburg, FL

#22 Jan 5, 2011
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> I'm all for the idiot to be defeated at the ballot box. I do have concerns with the idea that he should be "punished" for expressing an unpopular opinion. Some might say that GWB didn't represnt the US well at times. Some might say that Mr. Obama does not represent the US well. Should he be "punished" or otherwise santioned for expressing an opinion that some disagree with? Seems like he was put on notice by the results of the November mid-term elections.
And that's how it should be.
He won't be though. That is the point I am trying to make. He has been in this same position in the county commission since the 1990s. The man is going nowhere. If he tried to run for anything else, he would probably not win. He is only staying in the county commission because there is no where else for him to go. Again, I apologize for my lack of outrage and enthusiasm on this, but I did live in Mecklenburg County and Charlotte for almost 5 years. This guy does this every year and the portion of the county he is in always re-elects him.
Bareny Stinson

Decatur, IL

#23 Jan 5, 2011
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> I'm all for the idiot to be defeated at the ballot box. I do have concerns with the idea that he should be "punished" for expressing an unpopular opinion. Some might say that GWB didn't represnt the US well at times. Some might say that Mr. Obama does not represent the US well. Should he be "punished" or otherwise santioned for expressing an opinion that some disagree with? Seems like he was put on notice by the results of the November mid-term elections.
And that's how it should be.
the ballot box is only controled by those in the specific area that are able to vote for him.
like, i live in st louis, but if a rural missouri u.s. rep was making a fool of himself in congress saying stuff like "missouri doesn't want none of them gays in our state", i wouldn't be able to use the ballot to get ri of him. and maybe the rural voters that do have him on their ballots agree with him. so yeah, i would write to the missouri house, the governor, my own u.s. rep, and the 2 senators asking for something to be done about him.

just because he doesn't directly represent me, doesn't mean that he doesn't represent me.
BS Detector

Venice, CA

#24 Jan 5, 2011
Bareny Stinson wrote:
<quoted text>
the ballot box is only controled by those in the specific area that are able to vote for him.
like, i live in st louis, but if a rural missouri u.s. rep was making a fool of himself in congress saying stuff like "missouri doesn't want none of them gays in our state", i wouldn't be able to use the ballot to get ri of him. and maybe the rural voters that do have him on their ballots agree with him. so yeah, i would write to the missouri house, the governor, my own u.s. rep, and the 2 senators asking for something to be done about him.
just because he doesn't directly represent me, doesn't mean that he doesn't represent me.
I understand what you and StevenFL are saying. But per the First Amendment, he gets to be offensive and you cannot prohibit him from being offensive. You cannot "punish" him for being offensive.

Just as people like him can't prohibit you from expressing your outrage at his stupidity even if they consider you a pervert, ungodly, and maybe even unAmerican. It works both ways or it doesn't work at all.

But keep voicing your opinion and your protest. Do it right and maybe somebody will listen to you.

I did.
BS Detector

Venice, CA

#25 Jan 5, 2011
StevenFL wrote:
<quoted text>
He won't be though. That is the point I am trying to make. He has been in this same position in the county commission since the 1990s. The man is going nowhere. If he tried to run for anything else, he would probably not win. He is only staying in the county commission because there is no where else for him to go. Again, I apologize for my lack of outrage and enthusiasm on this, but I did live in Mecklenburg County and Charlotte for almost 5 years. This guy does this every year and the portion of the county he is in always re-elects him.
Your point is noted and well-taken. Please see above.

But like you said, the man is going nowhere... which may be where he is best suited.
Bareny Stinson

Saint Louis, MO

#27 Jan 5, 2011
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> I understand what you and StevenFL are saying. But per the First Amendment, he gets to be offensive and you cannot prohibit him from being offensive. You cannot "punish" him for being offensive.
Just as people like him can't prohibit you from expressing your outrage at his stupidity even if they consider you a pervert, ungodly, and maybe even unAmerican. It works both ways or it doesn't work at all.
But keep voicing your opinion and your protest. Do it right and maybe somebody will listen to you.
I did.
Thanks for your support, but your assumptions are a little off. I'm not gay, just a straight ally, and i will continue to voice my opinion, as you say.

However, i'm still going to disagree with you about this being a first amendment issue. If Congress passed a law saying that you can't voice your opinion, it would be a first amendment issue. But that's not whats happening. The people in Charlotte or wherever are perfectly within their rights and the first amendment to ask the county/city council to fire or silence this guy because of his derogatory speech. You can be fired for unpopular speech, you just can't be jailed for it.
BS Detector

Venice, CA

#29 Jan 5, 2011
Bareny Stinson wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for your support, but your assumptions are a little off. I'm not gay, just a straight ally, and i will continue to voice my opinion, as you say.
Fair enough.
Bareny Stinson wrote:
<quoted text> However, i'm still going to disagree with you about this being a first amendment issue. If Congress passed a law saying that you can't voice your opinion, it would be a first amendment issue. But that's not whats happening. The people in Charlotte or wherever are perfectly within their rights and the first amendment to ask the county/city council to fire or silence this guy because of his derogatory speech. You can be fired for unpopular speech, you just can't be jailed for it.
You want to fire every public official who says something derogatory? Fine. Fire Nancy Pelosi. Fire Rachel Maddow. Fire Keith Olberman. Fire Sean Hannity. Fire me... except that I'm self-employed. And actually, the people in Charlotte are NOT within their rights to silence the idiot... except by voting him out and they seem unwilling to do that. How do you justify silencing him without violating his First Amendment rights? Nowhere in the Amendment is jail mentioned. What is mentioned is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech...." Jail is not mentioned. Punishmenty is not mentioned. What is mentioned is that "Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech...." That's the First Amendment. And I think you'd be hard pressed to find any legal support for firing a PUBLIC OFFICIAL for saying something you don't like, find derogatory, or anything. You have a case for the private sector taking such action, but not a public offical. No chance.

You do realize, however, this is threatening to be a reasoned and civil disagreement! That may be a violation of the Terms of Service for Topix.
BS Detector

Venice, CA

#30 Jan 5, 2011
Bareny Stinson wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for your support, but your assumptions are a little off. I'm not gay, just a straight ally, and i will continue to voice my opinion, as you say.
I know many a straight pervert.(At least I may have read about them in Reader's Digest. Uh... yeah, that's where I read about them. Reader's Digest.))

“I am happy”

Since: Jul 08

St. Petersburg, FL

#31 Jan 5, 2011
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> Your point is noted and well-taken. Please see above.
But like you said, the man is going nowhere... which may be where he is best suited.
He will never run for higher office and if he tries to, then he will be humilated. He looked into running for the state senate, but because the district lines were drawn through liberal parts of Charlotte, NC, he knew he would not win and that is why he pulled out. Glad you agree on this though. I know it is frustrating, but I lived there and the people of Mecklenburg County and the city of Charlotte know how to handle him and even though it may not be reported, people in area are not a reflection of him. People in the city of Charlotte respect people's private lives and even though it is in the Bible Belt south, it is a strong contradiction to the hate.

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