Molokai gets 90-day water extension

The state Department of Health ordered Molokai Properties Ltd. and its subsidiary utilities yesterday to continue providing drinking water and waste-water services on the Friendly Island for at least 90 days. Read more
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Molokaiwahine

Honolulu, HI

#1 Jul 22, 2008
Does it seem like Molokai Properties is skating away from it responsibilities? Has the Governor stop short of calling for a State of Emergency? Is this catch 22?
willie

Farmington, MI

#2 Jul 22, 2008
Molokaiwahine wrote:
Does it seem like Molokai Properties is skating away from it responsibilities? Has the Governor stop short of calling for a State of Emergency? Is this catch 22?
Huh? It is a privatly owned corporation. What the DoH is doing would be like the state ordering you to drive all your neighbors anywhere they want to go and NOT pay you to do it. Molokai Properties is well within their rights to shut off the systems anytime they want, they own them period.
Waimea Cowboy

Honolulu, HI

#3 Jul 22, 2008
If the County had met its responsibilities in the first place it would have created a public water system. However, it was willing to let a private concern take over its public mandate. Now the private party is broke. Good grief, this is not rocket science.
manini

Honolulu, HI

#4 Jul 22, 2008
First the PUC required Mololkai Properties to continue to provide service. Now DOH adds another 3 months. Which agency will next step up and tack another 3 months on when the DOH order expires.
BTW, For Mayor Tavares to say her people couldn't take over on such short notice (3 months) demonstrates a true lack of leadership on her part, or was she playing politics. Quit looking for excuses to not do it and start finding ways to do it.
local boy from niu valley

Puunene, HI

#6 Jul 22, 2008
well somebody better do something because after 90 days not going get nothing.

“Too small to notice”

Since: Jun 08

Kahuku , Ka'U

#7 Jul 22, 2008
I presume that Molokai residents are tax-payers. Then they deserve state help. If they are on welfare , and living in substandard housing(no water , no sewer) than round 'em up and ship them to Maui. The state has every right to NOT subsidize their laid back country lifestyle.
Molokai Resident

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#8 Jul 22, 2008
A message for Mayor Tavares:

STOP WHINING AND GET IT DONE.

You're in charge, you take care of it. We're getting tired of hearing what you can't do.

A responsible mayor would say "yes, I can do that." Go do it.
ValleyIsleLaw

Honolulu, HI

#9 Jul 22, 2008
I just can't imagine that either the DOH or the PUC have any legal jurisdiction over Molokai Properties, Ltd - only its subsidiary which is the actual owner of the two utility systems. The subsidiary is probably an almost empty shell with the only major assets being the two utility systems. The answer to this is really very simple: The PUC needs to raise the customer's rates so that the utilities can make a modest profit even after the capital improvements are made to the plants. Do this and private companies in the business will trample over one another to buy the projects - which the owners will probably give away at this point. Will the customers have to pay a lot more for service ? Yes. They won't like it but I don't like paying $4.50 for gasoline. Life is just like that.

I am not sure whether 1200 residents are served by these utilities or 1200 homes. In either case, that is a lot of votes for the Maui County Counsel and Mayor Tavares to consider.
Kahaluu-Kaneohe

Honolulu, HI

#10 Jul 22, 2008
Walter ...

Walter ...

Where is Walter when you need him?

This is what you get when you don't try reasonable negotiations!!
Tutu Said

United States

#11 Jul 22, 2008
willie wrote:
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Huh? It is a privatly owned corporation. What the DoH is doing would be like the state ordering you to drive all your neighbors anywhere they want to go and NOT pay you to do it. Molokai Properties is well within their rights to shut off the systems anytime they want, they own them period.
Molokai Properties Ltd accepted the rights to provide water & wastewater services to its customers. Legally and ethnically they can not abandon these services.
Tutu Said

United States

#12 Jul 22, 2008
manini wrote:
First the PUC required Mololkai Properties to continue to provide service. Now DOH adds another 3 months. Which agency will next step up and tack another 3 months on when the DOH order expires.
BTW, For Mayor Tavares to say her people couldn't take over on such short notice (3 months) demonstrates a true lack of leadership on her part, or was she playing politics. Quit looking for excuses to not do it and start finding ways to do it.
For this "rocket scientist" to say quit making excuses. FACTS: Molokai Properties refuse to allow the State and County access to its facilites and documents (records of maintenance/expenses/income/et c). So, you are saying...i.e., it is like someone buying a house and land for a huge amount of money without getting to see how it looks like. It could be a shack on a former landfill. The Governor is allowing MPL to get off FREE, and dump it onto the County and the taxpayers; while the parent company Guoco Leisure continue to earn billions every year!
Westside Wind

Honolulu, HI

#13 Jul 22, 2008
Tutu Said wrote:
<quoted text>Molokai Properties Ltd accepted the rights to provide water & wastewater services to its customers. Legally and ethnically they can not abandon these services.
Really????
It has always been my understanding that such services are the responsibility of the county and state governments.
It sure sounds like Mayor Tavares and Governor Lingle are abandoning the Molokai residents.
At least appropriate the money and pay this private company to keep the services running in the short term.
For the long term Maui County needs to take care of it's own. IMO.
Tutu Said

United States

#14 Jul 22, 2008
Molokai Resident wrote:
A message for Mayor Tavares:
STOP WHINING AND GET IT DONE.
You're in charge, you take care of it. We're getting tired of hearing what you can't do.
A responsible mayor would say "yes, I can do that." Go do it.
Apparently you weren't at any of the recents meetings on Moloka'i, then you would have known what is happening! Been to both meetings with Mayor Tavares and Councilman Mateo; and State PUC. What the Mayor said was the same thing PUC echoed the following week. MPL refusing to allow both County & State access to their facilities and documents. How do you expect the County to take over a system they can't get access to? That's why she asked the Governor to declare a State Of Emergency, so it would allow the Governor (and its State and County representatives) power to gain the access they require.
Tutu Said

United States

#15 Jul 22, 2008
Westside Wind wrote:
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Really????
It has always been my understanding that such services are the responsibility of the county and state governments.
It sure sounds like Mayor Tavares and Governor Lingle are abandoning the Molokai residents.
At least appropriate the money and pay this private company to keep the services running in the short term.
For the long term Maui County needs to take care of it's own. IMO.
Through out the State of Hawaii there are many privately owned and operated water & wastewater service providers; not owned or operated by County or State. And they are all regulated by the State Public Utilities Commission. They are on Kauai, Oahu, Molokai, Maui, Lanai and Hawaii. Really!
Tutu Said

United States

#16 Jul 22, 2008
ValleyIsleLaw wrote:
The answer to this is really very simple: The PUC needs to raise the customer's rates so that the utilities can make a modest profit even after the capital improvements are made to the plants.
Okay taxpayers of Hawaii let's bail-out this foreign owned company that earns BILLIONS a year; then pay about $50 MILLION dollars to update these systems to comply with DOH & EPA standards. Then when all is done, MPL going like these systems back. MPL lost their suit to remain on the State Molokai Irrigation System and was ordered to cease. They don't want to spend money to transfer their water from Well 17.
Westside Wind

Honolulu, HI

#17 Jul 22, 2008
Tutu Said wrote:
<quoted text>Through out the State of Hawaii there are many privately owned and operated water & wastewater service providers; not owned or operated by County or State. And they are all regulated by the State Public Utilities Commission. They are on Kauai, Oahu, Molokai, Maui, Lanai and Hawaii. Really!
So when a privately owned company no longer choses to do business in Hawaii; how would those services continue?
You seem to have this vendetta against Molokai Ranch & subsidiary; and spout out allegations of conspiracy with Governor Lingle.
You Maui people whether it's with the HSF or Molokai, have made it a personal issue. And in so doing still have no long term solution to the issue. Who will be the next "privately owned" company to be stupid enough to take over the water and wastewater responsibilities???
Oh and while you're at it; don't water your lawn because soon enough you won't have enough water on Maui.
Paper Crane

Fpo, AP

#18 Jul 22, 2008
Lets face it people;.....the foremost necessity for human life form is water. Sound and regulated sewage treatment is also a just priority to prevent any wide spread of disease and contamination. We don't need to conflict on both this issues;...it should be a automatic developers priority.
Tutu Said

United States

#19 Jul 22, 2008
Westside Wind wrote:
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So when a privately owned company no longer choses to do business in Hawaii; how would those services continue?
You seem to have this vendetta against Molokai Ranch & subsidiary; and spout out allegations of conspiracy with Governor Lingle.
You Maui people whether it's with the HSF or Molokai, have made it a personal issue.
I am from Molokai (Don't know why it displayed "Wailuku, HI")! I am not directly affected by the abandonment of MPL services. I have a lot Ohana & friends, that are affected. Attended and/or reviewed video tapes of meetings held about the issues that affect Moloka'i, especially MPL's desire to sell & develope La'au Point and its subsequent demise. I don't have a vendetta against MPL, HSF, Walter Ritte, Governor Lingle, Mayor Tavares, etc. Just attempting to reveal the truth of their business dealings. Guoco Leisure is a huge player in the Global Economic Market. Bottom line is...money.
Tutu Said

United States

#20 Jul 22, 2008
Paper Crane wrote:
Lets face it people;.....the foremost necessity for human life form is water. Sound and regulated sewage treatment is also a just priority to prevent any wide spread of disease and contamination. We don't need to conflict on both this issues;...it should be a automatic developers priority.
Mahalo for your insight. Very true...water is the key to life.
alice

Honolulu, HI

#21 Jul 22, 2008
Why on earth was a private company allowed to provide vital public services? makes no sense, especially such a lousy company as the Ranch.

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