Baggy ban proposals pit cost vs. cleanliness - News

There are 102 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Feb 11, 2009, titled Baggy ban proposals pit cost vs. cleanliness - News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Hawaii's merchants want lawmakers to bag several proposals they say would cost their customers dearly.

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Chang

Aiea, HI

#81 Feb 11, 2009
I would agree that there should not be a law put in place. If anything is done it should be done by the retailers. They can choose not to have plastic bags. It's a luxury that they provide for the consumers. One that they don't have to. If people don't want stores to use plastic bags then they should ask the stores not to have them, we should not ask the government to step in on this. If some stores want to be more "green" the choice should be up to them. Plus it will save them money for not having to purchase bags. On the other hand it may lose them some business as people still may want the bags.
Earl

Thoreau, NM

#82 Feb 11, 2009
Just rememeber the next time you go shopping to bring an old bag with you !
LadyNinja

Honolulu, HI

#83 Feb 11, 2009
Does anyone else have a suggestion to keep our aina clean?

I believe that the discontinuance of bags would greatly benefit the people of Hawaii and impact our future generations for many years to follow.

Moreover, there is much to much waste in stores bagging items. Auwe to the folks who continually ask for double bags.
pali

Minneapolis, MN

#84 Feb 11, 2009
alice wrote:
I use my UH back pack to put stuff in. No need for any plastic bags.
alice, you know that warning they put on the plastic bags? Pay no attention, trust me, giggle.
alice

Maunaloa, HI

#85 Feb 11, 2009
what warning?

Since: Oct 08

San Jose, CA

#86 Feb 11, 2009
Loco Moco wrote:
It isn't that hard to bring your own bags to the grocery store - yes, even when you need 10 to 12 of them. They come in nylon, canvas, cotton, whatever. Bringing a plastic bag back to reuse even counts. You don't have to buy one though trendy these days...A lot of times the stores give you one when you really don't need it say, for a pack of batteries. Just say, no thanks! Stop the excuses...
I agree, bring your own bag or don't grab one if it's an item you can carry out. On the mainland its automatic and we don't think twice about walking into a store without a canvas, nylon or canvas bag for groceries. Is this something like the old days...collect all the plastic containers, you never know when you might need them? Collect all the plastic bags because you might run out?
alice

Maunaloa, HI

#87 Feb 11, 2009
leek is right
Maxima

Ewa Beach, HI

#88 Feb 11, 2009
There should be a statewide ban on stupid politicans.
They are bad for the envirornment, won't dispose in the landfills with all their kukai but they like to pass idiotic legislation over and over again. Auwe!
Larry

Honolulu, HI

#89 Feb 11, 2009
Earl wrote:
Just rememeber the next time you go shopping to bring an old bag with you !
Hey Alice, I'm going shopping, can I borrow you for a while?
A Fish Out of H2O

AOL

#90 Feb 11, 2009
Ban Botti!!!!!!!!
Bag It

Waianae, HI

#91 Feb 11, 2009
Use Biodegradable Bags wrote:
The plastic bag is the most convenient and flexible bag so why not just make them of a biodegradable material ?.... Maybe the Hippies will ;)
I think plastic bags ARE biodegradable in landfills, thanks to environmental activists like the Hippies and the Greens. The problem is that plastic doesn't biodegrade in the same way when it's in the ocean. Plastic on our roadways, in streambeds and on beaches can find it's way to the sea, endangering ocean life. Most of the plastic that washes up on our beaches comes from other places and washes here on the currents and tides. Banning plastic bags is the wrong measure; enforcing littering laws and cleaning up streams, beaches and roadways would be a better move. Stores are helping by offering cloth bag alternatives, and discounts to those who recycle.
Wash First Please

Waianae, HI

#92 Feb 12, 2009
Loco Moco wrote:
It isn't that hard to bring your own bags to the grocery store - yes, even when you need 10 to 12 of them. They come in nylon, canvas, cotton, whatever. Bringing a plastic bag back to reuse even counts. You don't have to buy one though trendy these days......
Fine if you want to reuse bags with smears of decayed food and other germs on them. I think it's unsanitary.
george

Kalaheo, HI

#93 Feb 12, 2009
One way or another this is inevitable we cannot have plastic bags that don't bio-degrade filling our landfills, and polluting our oceans and Aina.

The earlier we do this, the better.

As with everything the price will go down for biodegradable, compostable or whatever they decide. But they need to DECIDE quick!
A Fish Out of H2O

AOL

#94 Feb 12, 2009
It would not cost the consumer dearly!!!!!!!! What kind of crap is that???????? Just a scare tactic. Get in the ballgame HFIA and wakeup. Soon Hawaii will be compared to Mississippi, last place.
surfrider

Kailua Kona, HI

#95 Feb 12, 2009
Bag It wrote:
<quoted text>
I think plastic bags ARE biodegradable in landfills, thanks to environmental activists like the Hippies and the Greens. The problem is that plastic doesn't biodegrade in the same way when it's in the ocean. Plastic on our roadways, in streambeds and on beaches can find it's way to the sea, endangering ocean life. Most of the plastic that washes up on our beaches comes from other places and washes here on the currents and tides. Banning plastic bags is the wrong measure; enforcing littering laws and cleaning up streams, beaches and roadways would be a better move. Stores are helping by offering cloth bag alternatives, and discounts to those who recycle.
No plastic is biodegradable. There is no microorganism that eats plastic. Plastic is like diamonds - forever! You are right about about the plastic waste washing up on our windward shores, over 95% comes from the Pacific Rim countries, the fishing and aquaculture industries, military, and cruise ships. The Hawaiian islands are in the path of the North Pacific gyre which is a circular ocean current that going from asia to the West Coast and back. And then there's the Eastern Garbage Patch which is a vortex of plastic trash about 2x the size of Texas sitting about 800 miles NE of us. There's been research done by the Algalita Marine Research Foundation in that area and they're finding that 50% of the Lantern fish that they've cut open have ingested plastic. Lantern fish represents 90% of the biomass in the ocean meaning that all the bigger fish are eating them which works itself up the food chain until guess what...we're eating plastic. Plastics in the ocean soak up hydrophobic toxins such as PCB's and DDT up to a million times as in the surrounding sea water AND toxins from the plastic contaminate the fatty tissues of whatevers ingesting it. The only way to stop the polluting of the ocean is stopping it at the source and using a reusable bag is a simple way to start.

I agree that cleaning up streams, roadways and beaches should be standard practice and would help eliminate trash from entering the ocean.
Bag It

Waianae, HI

#96 Feb 12, 2009
Thanks for the info Surfrider! Evidently plastic bags used in grocery stores degrade faster than the old kind, but are still around for quite awhile. The EPA says paper bags are worse for the environment than plastic. Plastic bags require less energy to manufacture, ship and recycle, and because of this, they generate less greenhouse gas. Plastic bags cause less air and water pollution. They compress to a small size in landfills. Plastic bags can be incinerated in appropriate facilities for waste-to-energy.

I agree reusable bags are a good option, but I think it should be elective. Many stores now say "would you like a bag for that?" when only one or two items are bought. Encourage people to say "no bag thank you" more often; that could start a trend. New laws will mean more hassles and higher costs ultimately.
alice

Maunaloa, HI

#97 Feb 12, 2009
true..please ban plastic bags
Spanglish

Covina, CA

#98 Feb 12, 2009
A Fish Out of H2O wrote:
It would not cost the consumer dearly!!!!!!!! What kind of **** is that???????? Just a scare tactic. Get in the ballgame HFIA and wakeup. Soon Hawaii will be compared to Mississippi, last place.
It WILL cost the consumer dearly--it'll cost our freedom and choice. But you're right about Hawaii needing to wake up. We gotta stop this Socialism train.
Clear Perspective

Saint Louis, MO

#99 Feb 13, 2009
For information about plastic bags and the environment as well as links to studies on their impact; surveys on plastic bags knowledge; and environmental shopping strategies, please visit…

www.thetruthaboutplasticbags.com
Jack

Phoenix, AZ

#100 Apr 20, 2013
alice wrote:
true..please ban plastic bags
Hey did you get that wooden boner outta you arse yet? lmfao

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