Baggy ban proposals pit cost vs. clea...

Baggy ban proposals pit cost vs. cleanliness - News

There are 102 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Feb 11, 2009, titled Baggy ban proposals pit cost vs. cleanliness - News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Hawaii's merchants want lawmakers to bag several proposals they say would cost their customers dearly.

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Big J-Hawaii Kai

United States

#1 Feb 11, 2009
Come on Legislators! The economy is in the toilet,job losses continue to climb, unemployment is at an all time high, foreclosures-10 to 14 a day in the papers, our educational system has and is failing, and you're worried about plastic shopping bags??? Just can't deal with the hard problems facing the State, now can you? So you waste valuable session time on plastic bags. OUTSTANDING!
pali

Laurel, MD

#2 Feb 11, 2009
When I read the headline I was hoping someone was proposing a bill banning kids from wearing their pants around their knees.
LogJam

Troy, MI

#3 Feb 11, 2009
How will the dog owner's clean up the doo-doo.
Blackpope808

San Diego, CA

#4 Feb 11, 2009
Everybody carry your own damn bag when you go to the market..the rest of the world does it, why can't we?
barry

Roswell, GA

#5 Feb 11, 2009
pali wrote:
When I read the headline I was hoping someone was proposing a bill banning kids from wearing their pants around their knees.
Yea, same here.
Homeless In Hawaii

United States

#6 Feb 11, 2009
Blackpope808 wrote:
Everybody carry your own damn bag when you go to the market..the rest of the world does it, why can't we?
Please don't allow this ban on plastic bags to pass. They won't allow me to purchase a cloth shopping bag with my EBT crad, and paper bags provide no protection for my personal belongings in my stolen shopping cart.
realmerv

Honolulu, HI

#7 Feb 11, 2009
I can just imagine shopping at the supermarkets with my recyclable bags and I'm in a long line with 10 people waiting behind me, then going to the checkout counter and oops, I didn't bring enough recyclable bags ... guess I have to reverse the charges and return certain items so that what I end up with will fit into the bags I brought. And while I'm doing all this, three people in the back of me with the ice cream sees their ice cream melting before their eyes.

Repeat this scenario multiple times per day and you can see how ridiculous this idea is.

Here in Hilo, we went through this fight on whether to ban plastic bags or not. It seems that the same people who want to ban plastic bags are now trying to ban it statewide.

Many people depend on the plastic bags to line trash cans, store items from the elements, dust, moisture, etc, pick up after their dogs, carry items with the convenient handles built into the plastic bags, keep their groceries protected from the rain as they run to their cars after shopping at the stores, and numerous other ways.

One of the important uses for the plastic bag is to protect your purchase when you shop for a gift and want it protected from the rain, soil, grease, or even moist hands. Imagine buying a nice shirt or blouse as a gift, putting it into your recyclable bag that has grease or blood from the pork or beef that you bought earlier that day and you didn't realize that the residue was in the bottom of the bag. Going home and finding the the item has been ruined by the pork blood, you can't return the item to the store for a refund and it may have been the only one of that particular size and color. After spending hours at numerous stores, your gift item is lost and now you have to spend hours more searching for another replacement gift.

Many politicians probably don't do any food shopping and very much shopping at all and leave it to their spouses, so why not ask your spouse whether the plastic bags are indispensable or not.

How many politicians do any of you see in the supermarkets? I've never seen one in my life and that's a very long time. Sometimes, I wonder if they only eat in restaurants and never shop for food.
ahgung

Irvine, CA

#8 Feb 11, 2009
I reside in California since my retirement in 1996. The grocery stores offer non-plastic recycled bags for 99 cents. It is an option for the consumers. The stores also have bins for the consumers to return their plastic bags instead of putting them in thier garbage bins.
Several of the larger grocery chains also provide services for recycling of plastic containers and glass containers. Yes, you are reimbursed. Check your soda cans and plastic containers for the states that will reimburse. Of course, you are assessed a 'fee' at the check out counter when you purchase the products.
As I recall, Hawai'i also have similar recycle policies.
Aloha Kakou
Lani

Los Angeles, CA

#9 Feb 11, 2009
Walking, bicycling, bus, dog poop? Plastic yes, paper no. Groceries rolling around in the back of your Hummer? Paper yes, reusable yes, plastic no. Save the planet; buy a Hummer.
willie

Plymouth, MI

#10 Feb 11, 2009
ahgung wrote:
I reside in California since my retirement in 1996. The grocery stores offer non-plastic recycled bags for 99 cents. It is an option for the consumers. The stores also have bins for the consumers to return their plastic bags instead of putting them in thier garbage bins.
Several of the larger grocery chains also provide services for recycling of plastic containers and glass containers. Yes, you are reimbursed. Check your soda cans and plastic containers for the states that will reimburse. Of course, you are assessed a 'fee' at the check out counter when you purchase the products.
As I recall, Hawai'i also have similar recycle policies.
Aloha Kakou
I have also seen stores offer 3 cents for each bag that is reused and 5 cents for each canvas bag used.
realmerv

Honolulu, HI

#11 Feb 11, 2009
I have those bags but I only use the ones with the insulated linings to keep my cold items cold and my hot items hot. I keep them in the car and place the appropriate item in the plastic bag that I just got from the supermarket and place the item along with the protective plastic bag in it so that the inside of my recyclable bag doesn't become wet or soiled.

It is one thing if people acquire a lot of plastic bags and just throw them away when they get home. But I store all my plastic bags for reuse later.

Since: Nov 07

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#12 Feb 11, 2009
I forgot. Aside from taxing everything to death, our state legislature also enjoys banning things, left and right, in order to avoid the real reason they are there in the first place.

Making government limited, responsible and accountable while lowering those excessive taxes, fees and regulations, should be the priority, not worrying about stores selling plastic bags, having a "state insect" and creating another state holiday called "Barack Obama" day.

When one also believes certain members of our state legislature cannot be any more stupid, they turn around and surprise us again.

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#13 Feb 11, 2009
pali wrote:
When I read the headline I was hoping someone was proposing a bill banning kids from wearing their pants around their knees.
LOL, when I had initially read the headline, that's what I had thought too.

It just goes to show how low we hold our public servants in state government.
realmerv

Honolulu, HI

#14 Feb 11, 2009
I guess if this ban goes through, the State will ban stores from giving out free plastic bags but you can still buy trash can liners.

I don't know how it is on Maui or on Kauai but on the Big Island, most people don't have trash pickup unless you pay the few trash service companies to haul your trash for you. Most people just take their own trash to the Transfer Stations and dispose of their household trash on their own. So many people on Oahu probably can't envision what we do here on the Big Island since they have had City trash pickup all their lives.

Most people on the Big Island also don't have sewer service where you can just put your leftover food into your garbage disposal and run it into the sewer lines. I use milk and juice cartons to store my garbage and when it's full, I place it into a plastic bag, tie it and place it into a 33 gal. plastic bag that I buy for all my trash and take it to the Transfer Station once or twice a week. I'm sure that others do the same thing on the Big Island.

I also place those plastic trays that you get when you buy meats and fish from the supermarket into a plastic bag after rinsing the tray, then I store it in my freezer so that it doesn't stink up the place. So that's another essential use of the plastic bags that I get free from the supermarket.

Since: Nov 07

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#15 Feb 11, 2009
Blackpope808 wrote:
Everybody carry your own damn bag when you go to the market..the rest of the world does it, why can't we?
Why can't we what? Have government dictate to us and to the businesses how we run OUR own affairs?

Government should be more concerned with lowering taxes, bringing economic relief to the working men and women of Hawai'i, making government more accountable to the people it's supposed to serve, not be concerned with whether stores should use plastic bags or not.

And BTW, I have to take issue with your claim that "the rest of the world does it, why can't we?"

I've been living in Peru for the last 8 years and all the grocery stores use plastic bags. I've never seen anyone, regardless of economic status, carry paper bags or bring their own bags to shop.
Ummsuure

Hilo, HI

#16 Feb 11, 2009
RECYCLE? No. What industry do we have to convert these to something else? So we gonna pay to re-cycle and where will they end up anyway? HPOWER
RE-USE? Maybe
REDUCE? Maybe

Wake up folks. A lot of fees,and taxes goping to bwe up this year unless you voice yourselves to the leg. Even then, may not help.

Reduce gov't.
civics101

San Diego, CA

#17 Feb 11, 2009
civics101

politicians need to pass laws to feel important

they want to leave the earth thinking they changes the world

they fail to recognize that their purpose is to serve us

not to train us, dictate to us, or baby us
manini

Kapaau, HI

#18 Feb 11, 2009
Undoubtedly by the time the legislature is done with this, they will have created a "special fund for plastic bags". Even if they don't create a specical fund, they will find a way to raise our cost of living.
Most of the plastic bags on Oahu end up in H-Power, not the land fill as Gabbard and the Sierra Club would have us believe. Typical scare tactic on the part of government and special interest groups. Paint the worst possible picture so people will support their stupid ideas. Besides, management of landfills are the responsibility of the counties, not the state.
Come on folks, you have more important things to work on.
WhatsGoingOn

Kapaa, HI

#19 Feb 11, 2009
Eric Seabury wrote:
<quoted text>LOL, when I had initially read the headline, that's what I had thought too.
It just goes to show how low we hold our public servants in state government.
"Our" public servants? Here in Hawaii we all belong to the unions, through "our" public servants.
manini

Kapaau, HI

#20 Feb 11, 2009
I spoke too soon. I just read the news article about preschool funding and guess what, Senator Sakamoto wants to charge for plastic bags, that charge will go into a fund to pay for preschooling.

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