Shift in power production will be exp...

Shift in power production will be expensive but necessary - Edi...

There are 10 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Oct 23, 2008, titled Shift in power production will be expensive but necessary - Edi.... In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

The state and Hawaiian Electric have worked out a plan to increase renewable energy production.

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Cat Manapua

Saint George, UT

#1 Oct 23, 2008
"There is little vacant space on Oahu for wind farms and previous proposals to raise windmills on the most populated island have met strong opposition. The same resistance can be expected on Maui and Molokai, particularly because the power will flow to Oahu."
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Never happen in our lifetime. It will be tied up in court for years.

Build a nuke plant.
BozoNemesis

AOL

#2 Oct 23, 2008
Why are the taxpayers of the USA being tapped for this obvious boondoggle? If the state wants to mandate something, the state should come up with (1) a workable plan and (2) the financing without confiscating money from the rest of the nation to pay for it. It's too easy for the politicians who have never designed or constructed anything that had to work and not cost an arm and a leg to pay for it to foist off any boondoggle on the dumber than a box of rocks voter!'Nuff said...

Since: Sep 08

Honolulu, HI

#3 Oct 23, 2008
This is a step in the right direction, but we need to see the details. If we the State is really committed to the investment, they should raise the GET, for a few years, by half percent to collect the $1 billion cost to lay the undersea cables. This way we won't see it so much in our rates, and we encourage more private investment.
manini

Honolulu, HI

#4 Oct 23, 2008
Funny, the SB thinks federal money may not be forthcoming for this project but yet believes a much larger amount will be available for rail.
That aside, I would hope the PUC looks out for the rate payers in this deal. Up until now, the PUC seems to be in HECOs pocket, rubber stamping just about everything HECO wants and getting no benefit for rate payers in return. You know, the stuff like buried power lines. They don't have to do the whole island at once but a measurable amount every year would be nice. Then those pesky poles wouldn't fall over everytime we have high winds.
TomTom

Honolulu, HI

#5 Oct 23, 2008
I know it's been mentioned on this subject before: but why not put the windfarm in Kahuku where it was before? Gotta be cheaper than laying a cable to the highest consumer. HECO's been strangely silent on this.
Photovoltaic

Honolulu, HI

#6 Oct 23, 2008
"HECO officials have acknowledged that electricity, whether generated by oil or alternative fuels, and the transitional infrastructure will be costly, and that customers shouldn't expect to see lower bills"

This is more the reason to increase the rebate on residential PV systems. With a PV net metering system, residential electricity bills would practically be eliminated! With a battery PV system, residents can go off the grid completely! Every roof in Hawaii should have a solar water heater and a PV system on the roof. Cloudy Germany is No. 1 in the world for solar, sunny Hawaii could at least be no. 2!
Jimmy

Kaneohe, HI

#7 Oct 23, 2008
Hawaii must have nuclear power generation on the table to allow for a comprehensive plan to move away from fossil fuels. No individual power alternative or even a combination of power alternatives without nuclear will fully work to move Hawaii into the 21st Century. Current research and technology has move nuclear into a safe zone. Fear tactics must be backed by current facts, or Hawaii will always be paying some $0.45/kwh in lieu of $0.08/kwh.
non believer in HECO

Hilo, HI

#8 Oct 23, 2008
Every time there is a high wind warning, there is a caution that the highest winds are on the down slope side of the mountain. Given that warning is true, then the best place to locate a wind farm is on the down slope side of the Koolaus. I would welcome an engineer or meteorologist to respond to this theory.
Heco is a profit center for a conglomerate. Trusting HECO to act in the best interest of the state and citizens is like trusting the mortgage brokers to look out for the borrowers. HECO should be developing the power generation or should get out of the business altogether. Acting as a middle man to issue contracts for private developers adds to many profit centers into the process. If HECO can contract to build and then run the plant then there is only one profit center.
non believer in HECO

Hilo, HI

#9 Oct 23, 2008
Sorry for the double entry, TOPIX locked up the first time I submitted.
Happily Divorced Dad

Honolulu, HI

#10 Oct 23, 2008
Jimmy go home if you want nuclear power. There is not enough fissile material in the world to power the worlds energy needs, so even that is a dead end project. We certainly don't want the nuclear dump that it would require if we can't even find a place for our normal trash.

Personally I think they should do a partnership between Ag and Wind on THIS island. Wind turbines can be lifted higher to be out of reach of any farm equipment (should be anyways to get the best wind) and can get double duty out of the same space. The land can stay rural, no neighbors to worry about complaining and wouldn't affect the agricultural efforts. Sure, a bit of land would be used, but the pedistal of the turbines only takes a tiny percentage of the space and the cables could be buried way below ground to avoid getting dug up. The farmers might even benefit by getting the electrical grid out to their pumping stations so they could swap from diesel to electric pumps if they desired. Taken correctly with the correct attitude, there are benefits for all involved.

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