Suspect in brutal death of Cave Creek...

Suspect in brutal death of Cave Creek woman arrested

There are 1049 comments on the KTVK Phoenix story from Jul 15, 2008, titled Suspect in brutal death of Cave Creek woman arrested. In it, KTVK Phoenix reports that:

Late Monday night, Maricopa County Sheriff's detectives went to the Cave Creek home of Justin Wade Lunsford, 26, and arrested him in the first degree murder of Mary Elisabeth Polgar.

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Since: Jul 08

Mesa, AZ

#537 Sep 4, 2008
According to the MCSO report, the homeowner said Liz called him that evening to report that the back door was open when she returned. She must have been concerned about that to make such a phone call. So that's either a very strange coincidence or otherwise it suggests that someone else had been in her house. I never understood why this fact was dismissed?
KEM

Concord, CA

#538 Sep 4, 2008
yeah i've heard you guys mention that a few times....so if he or anyone is found guilty he may be given death penalty? or will be?
Fenris wrote:
It could. That will depend ultimately on the strength of the evidence presented by the prosection, as well as the level of defense activity. It seems to be moving fairly quickly as these things go, which is generally an indicator of the strength of said evidence on the prosecution's side (having the "reasonable doubt" issue to satisfy). Mr Lunsford has pled "not guilty" to all charges presently, although he has already confessed to the arson, evidence tampering, and theft charges (admission to all of which is crucial to his stated alibi). Under that scenario, a lengthy prison term is already a given. The light at the end of the tunnel is (of course) avoiding the gas chamber/lethal injection.....
Fenris

United States

#539 Sep 4, 2008
KEM wrote:
yeah i've heard you guys mention that a few times....so if he or anyone is found guilty he may be given death penalty? or will be?
<quoted text>
Ultimatly up to the discretion of the court, I would imagine. Dont know if there are mandatory sentencing guidelines here, but the penalty phase deals with all mitigating circumstances in the event of a guilty plea/convictionL i.e., childhood abuse, alcohol/drug history, cruel and depraved methods used in the murder, etc etc. I think generally it (capital punishment)is applied in cases as heinous as this one.

In any event, only the evidence that's been released to this point is the current gospel. What comes up at trial (assuming it GOES to trial and a plea bargain is not offerred/accepted)could be a different matter. It will be interesting.........
Fenris

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#540 Sep 4, 2008
azj85262 wrote:
Hi KEM! To recap, there were a couple of postings some time ago regarding a Hells Angels murder of a young woman several years ago in Mesa, that has many similarities to this tragedy. Also there was a news article about the Paul guy that Fenris referenced, and that Hells Angel member is believed to be connected to the Mesa murder and is currently on the run.(A Hells Angels ATF informant in Tucson just had his house burned down a couple weeks ago, so sounds like they are active around here.)
Sam may be a different story...his name was in the MCSO report (Justin said he crashed on his porch) and his name keeps popping up here and everyone is calling him a bad-ass. But no one has said he's a Hell's Angel.
BTW, dont know about him being a "badass" (and even so, doubt that title will carry over in prison), but he certainly is a MORON. Good crooks definitely dont get caught as much as this brain surgeon. This is less than a week ago, and he was supposed to be sentenced downtown on probation violations/drug charges today (stay tuned to see if he showed or not). Cave Creek Municipal Court has let a lot of bad actors like this guy walk before. Let's see if they actually do their jobs this time, now that it seems he is charged with a violent crime....

CASE DETAIL

Case Number: M-0768-CR-20080151
Case Category: Criminal Case Title:
ST OF AZ VS SAMUEL J PARKER
Court: Cave Creek Municipal Judge: None
Filing Date: 08/29/2008
Disposition Date:

Party Name: SAMUEL J PARKER
Party Type:
D 1 - DEFNDT/RESPNDT Date of Birth: 12/24/1982
Citation: Count 1:
THREAT-INTIM W/INJ-DMGE PROP
Disposition Date: Disposition:

NEVER LEFT CAVE CREEK

Mesa, AZ

#541 Sep 6, 2008
Old Cave Creeker wrote:
Its just amazing to me that any of you come up here at all. I was told by another "old Creeker" to come up here and read this. WOW!. It just shows the changes in times. Yes, the times have changed Cave Creek and it is not what it used to be...
I have moved away but still have lots of ties - and it will always be the place I grew up.
There were murders then too...Unsavory characters and the like... also lots of people that hung in the bars cause there was nothing else to do.
Yes, I know the Lunsfords, grew up with them, did 4-H with them, They are a great family.
And no I do NOT know Brit and have never met her. My advice to her would be to get the hell off this sight and clam up because she is not helping anybody.
I really feel for Liz's family - Nobody deserves this and my condolences and prayers go out to them as I'm sure they are great family to.
If Justin did this, that will come to light in the courts and he will get whats due. The arson is already a done deal right?
The "families" on either side of this do not deserve or need the level of CRAP that is being doled out here from anybody and everybody.
Godspeed Liz.
YOU ARE THE FIRST PERSON TO COME ON THIS POST AND SAY IN NOT SO MANY WORDS DON'T JUDGE THE FAMILIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS HORRIBLE EVENT. THE FAMILY OF JUSTIN WADE LUNSFORD HAD NO PART IN THIS. IT IS OUR PLACE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF HIM. IF WE DO NOT SHOW SUPPORT, IT IS AS GOOD AS SAYING WE BELIEVE THAT HE DID IT AND THAT HE IS CAPABLE OF DOING THIS. WE ARE A FAMILY THAT HAS ALWAYS STOOD TOGETHER AND FOR ANY OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME KNOW THIS IS TRUE. WE ARE ALL LUNSFORDS. WE ARE ALL PROUD TO BE LUNSFORDS AND THIS WILL NEVER CHANGE. I AM A LUNSFORD.
One Who Knows

United States

#542 Sep 7, 2008
NEVER LEFT CAVE CREEK wrote:
<quoted text>YOU ARE THE FIRST PERSON TO COME ON THIS POST AND SAY IN NOT SO MANY WORDS DON'T JUDGE THE FAMILIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS HORRIBLE EVENT. THE FAMILY OF JUSTIN WADE LUNSFORD HAD NO PART IN THIS. IT IS OUR PLACE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF HIM. IF WE DO NOT SHOW SUPPORT, IT IS AS GOOD AS SAYING WE BELIEVE THAT HE DID IT AND THAT HE IS CAPABLE OF DOING THIS. WE ARE A FAMILY THAT HAS ALWAYS STOOD TOGETHER AND FOR ANY OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME KNOW THIS IS TRUE. WE ARE ALL LUNSFORDS. WE ARE ALL PROUD TO BE LUNSFORDS AND THIS WILL NEVER CHANGE. I AM A LUNSFORD.
It's fine to say you didn't do this; WE KNOW YOU DIDN'T..that you are proud to be a lunsford and it is understood you will stand behind your son;IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DIGEST THAT YOUR CHILD COULD BE SUCH A MONSTER...but for god sakes;HE ADMITTED TO TORCHING LIZ'S TRUCK AND HER HOME AFTER SHE LAID DEAD FOR HOURS...THAT IS A FACT. JUST WITH THAT FACT ALONE MOST PEOPLE THAT HANG AT LIZ'S BAR "THE CHIP" FEEL IT IS EXTREMELY DISTASTEFUL THAT THE PARENTS WERE IN THE BAR THAT LIZ AND HER FRIENDS WORK AT THE VERY NEXT DAY JUSTIN WAS ARRESTED AND EVERYONE WAS HORRIFIED BY THE BRUTALITY AND BY HIS MINIMAL CONFESSION OF TORCHING HER PROPERTY...MANY PEOPLE WERE DISTURBED BY THE CALLOUSNESS OF HIS PARENTS WITH THERE IMMEDIATE VISIT TO THE CHIP WHILE THIS HORRIFIC MURDER OF THEIR FRIEND LIZ WAS BEING DISCLOSED AND DIGESTED....THAT IS THE WORST CASE OF POOR JUDGMENT AND INCONSIDERATION. IT IS A DISILLUSIONMENT IN HUMAN COMPASSION. HIS PARENTS I AM SURE IS GOING THROUGH THEIR OWN HELL BUT THEIR ACTIONS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THEIR SONS ARREST DEMONSTRATED TO MANY A LACK OF CONSIDERATION TO THE FRIENDS OF LIZ WHO WERE GRIEVING AND PROCESSING THE HORROR OF THIS SLAUGHTER THAT THEIR SON WAS CHARGED WITH. THOSE VERY ACTIONS HAVE MANY PEOPLE LOOKING AT THE LUNSFORD WITH DISDAIN. THEIR SON IS CONNECTED TO THIS HORRIFIC MURDER OF SWEET LIZ. WHO GOES DRINKING AT THE VICTIMS PLACE OF WORK IMMEDIATELY AFTER THEIR SONS ARREST!
Old Cave Creeker

Camp Verde, AZ

#543 Sep 7, 2008
WOW!

I come on here and show basic support for both families and get ripped!!!

I never said anything about not supporting... I said the families dont need the crap being doled out here. Maybe you need to reread.
Fenris

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#544 Sep 7, 2008
NEVER LEFT CAVE CREEK wrote:
<quoted text>YOU ARE THE FIRST PERSON TO COME ON THIS POST AND SAY IN NOT SO MANY WORDS DON'T JUDGE THE FAMILIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS HORRIBLE EVENT. THE FAMILY OF JUSTIN WADE LUNSFORD HAD NO PART IN THIS. IT IS OUR PLACE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF HIM. IF WE DO NOT SHOW SUPPORT, IT IS AS GOOD AS SAYING WE BELIEVE THAT HE DID IT AND THAT HE IS CAPABLE OF DOING THIS. WE ARE A FAMILY THAT HAS ALWAYS STOOD TOGETHER AND FOR ANY OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME KNOW THIS IS TRUE. WE ARE ALL LUNSFORDS. WE ARE ALL PROUD TO BE LUNSFORDS AND THIS WILL NEVER CHANGE. I AM A LUNSFORD.
"THE FAMILY OF JUSTIN WADE LUNSFORD HAD NO PART IN THIS".

The hell they didnt. Looks like I need to post the family's court records again. While the Lunsford family are not the worst people in the world (and didnt make him pick up the knife), certainly exposure to alcoholism during his formative years helped him become the amoral person he is. Since I dont know who this is posting, that statement may or may not apply to you personally. But it CERTAINLY applies to the immediate family. Sad, but true.....

BTW, stay tuned in the next couple of days for some REAL juicy reading and a synopsis of this sad, sad situation folks. The deeper you get, the more pathetic it becomes.......
NEVER LEFT CAVE CREEK

Mesa, AZ

#545 Sep 7, 2008
One Who Knows wrote:
<quoted text>
It's fine to say you didn't do this; WE KNOW YOU DIDN'T..that you are proud to be a lunsford and it is understood you will stand behind your son;IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DIGEST THAT YOUR CHILD COULD BE SUCH A MONSTER...but for god sakes;HE ADMITTED TO TORCHING LIZ'S TRUCK AND HER HOME AFTER SHE LAID DEAD FOR HOURS...THAT IS A FACT. JUST WITH THAT FACT ALONE MOST PEOPLE THAT HANG AT LIZ'S BAR "THE CHIP" FEEL IT IS EXTREMELY DISTASTEFUL THAT THE PARENTS WERE IN THE BAR THAT LIZ AND HER FRIENDS WORK AT THE VERY NEXT DAY JUSTIN WAS ARRESTED AND EVERYONE WAS HORRIFIED BY THE BRUTALITY AND BY HIS MINIMAL CONFESSION OF TORCHING HER PROPERTY...MANY PEOPLE WERE DISTURBED BY THE CALLOUSNESS OF HIS PARENTS WITH THERE IMMEDIATE VISIT TO THE CHIP WHILE THIS HORRIFIC MURDER OF THEIR FRIEND LIZ WAS BEING DISCLOSED AND DIGESTED....THAT IS THE WORST CASE OF POOR JUDGMENT AND INCONSIDERATION. IT IS A DISILLUSIONMENT IN HUMAN COMPASSION. HIS PARENTS I AM SURE IS GOING THROUGH THEIR OWN HELL BUT THEIR ACTIONS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THEIR SONS ARREST DEMONSTRATED TO MANY A LACK OF CONSIDERATION TO THE FRIENDS OF LIZ WHO WERE GRIEVING AND PROCESSING THE HORROR OF THIS SLAUGHTER THAT THEIR SON WAS CHARGED WITH. THOSE VERY ACTIONS HAVE MANY PEOPLE LOOKING AT THE LUNSFORD WITH DISDAIN. THEIR SON IS CONNECTED TO THIS HORRIFIC MURDER OF SWEET LIZ. WHO GOES DRINKING AT THE VICTIMS PLACE OF WORK IMMEDIATELY AFTER THEIR SONS ARREST!
YOU ARE SO SMART TO ASSUME THIS IS HIS MOTHER. YOU HAD BETTER GET IT RIGHT. YOU CAN NOT JUDGE THE LUNSFORD FAMILY BY HER. SHE IS NOT A LUNSFORD. SHE ONLY MARRIED INTO THE FAMILY. HER ACTIONS HAVE NO REFLECTION ON THE LUNSFORD NAME SO YOU HAD BETTER STAND CORRECTED.
One Who Knows

Brentwood, CA

#546 Sep 7, 2008
NEVER LEFT CAVE CREEK wrote:
<quoted text>YOU ARE SO SMART TO ASSUME THIS IS HIS MOTHER. YOU HAD BETTER GET IT RIGHT. YOU CAN NOT JUDGE THE LUNSFORD FAMILY BY HER. SHE IS NOT A LUNSFORD. SHE ONLY MARRIED INTO THE FAMILY. HER ACTIONS HAVE NO REFLECTION ON THE LUNSFORD NAME SO YOU HAD BETTER STAND CORRECTED.
You have got to be kidding...she gave birth to him. SHE IS HIS MOTHER.Lunsford or not ..the technicality of the name is not the issue...it's her immediate actions following her son's arrest for this heinous murder...GOING TO LIZ'S WORK PLACE AND DRINKING WITH NO CONSIDERATION TO HER COWORKERS....THAT IS INDISPUTABLY AN ACTION OF CALLOUSNESS AND NO ONE CAN ARGUE THAT. SHE HAS BROUGHT THIS ONTO HERSELF
Fenris

United States

#547 Sep 7, 2008
One Who Knows wrote:
<quoted text>
You have got to be kidding...she gave birth to him. SHE IS HIS MOTHER.Lunsford or not ..the technicality of the name is not the issue...it's her immediate actions following her son's arrest for this heinous murder...GOING TO LIZ'S WORK PLACE AND DRINKING WITH NO CONSIDERATION TO HER COWORKERS....THAT IS INDISPUTABLY AN ACTION OF CALLOUSNESS AND NO ONE CAN ARGUE THAT. SHE HAS BROUGHT THIS ONTO HERSELF
Not a surprise, and not just immediate action. I know for a fact she also sat drinking at another local establishment (in lieu of calling 911) while her OWN Mother lay with her head split open after a fall. The ONLY thing she cares about is crawling into her next bottle........
As I posted earlier, stay tuned for some very interesting reading later this week, as you will be able to read a synopsis of the level of pathetic losers Mr Lunsford has surrounded himself with in life. What a group..........
One Who Knows

Brentwood, CA

#548 Sep 7, 2008
Fenris wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a surprise, and not just immediate action. I know for a fact she also sat drinking at another local establishment (in lieu of calling 911) while her OWN Mother lay with her head split open after a fall. The ONLY thing she cares about is crawling into her next bottle........
As I posted earlier, stay tuned for some very interesting reading later this week, as you will be able to read a synopsis of the level of pathetic losers Mr Lunsford has surrounded himself with in life. What a group..........
WOW! NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE...THESE PEOPLE ARE TRULY SICK. No wonder this monster is charged. His kinship shows a distinct lack of compassion for human life....that is a basis for psychopathic behavior disorder. I am interested in seeing what you reveal on his mom Joyce.
Fenris

United States

#549 Sep 7, 2008
One Who Knows wrote:
<quoted text>
WOW! NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE...THESE PEOPLE ARE TRULY SICK. No wonder this monster is charged. His kinship shows a distinct lack of compassion for human life....that is a basis for psychopathic behavior disorder. I am interested in seeing what you reveal on his mom Joyce.
Actually, her story (though sad & pathetic) is an old one. Booze, booze, and more booze, then wondering at the 11th hour why things turned out the way they did.(ie probably death row for sonny boy). While it seems she can be a nasty drunk, she is definitely not in the violent offender category. I am more concerned with the immediate circle of friends/acquaintances of Mr Lunsford named in the arrest report. After looking at their records, I am wondering if there are any more ticking time bombs there like JL....

BTW; this braindead moron "Sam Parker" the Lunsford supporters have been trying to implicate in Ms Herman's murder SOMEHOW escaped a prison sentence again Friday on drug charges (probation). However, he has the above posted charges pending in CC Muni court. Unfortunately they are even MORE liberal than Maricopa Superior court so (even though he is on probation) he will probably walk there too. I have heard tell the CC judge actually DOES have a steel plate in his head from a motorcycle accident. Might explain his affinity for drug offenders.

Stay tuned for posting of the arrest report and related findings.....
Old Cave Creeker

Camp Verde, AZ

#550 Sep 7, 2008
I can also pretty much guarantee that it wasn't both of his parents drinking at the said "bar" together as they are divorced and have been for years... whoever wrote "his parents" might want to check their facts.
One Who Knows

United States

#551 Sep 8, 2008
Old Cave Creeker wrote:
I can also pretty much guarantee that it wasn't both of his parents drinking at the said "bar" together as they are divorced and have been for years... whoever wrote "his parents" might want to check their facts.
WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT...DUH, WE KNOW LUNSFORD MOM IS REMARRIED . SO IT IS HIS MOM AND STEP DAD...IT STILL IS HIS PARENTS. THESE RIDICULOUSLY IRRELEVANT COMMENTS MADE BY YOU IS OBVIOUSLY AN ATTEMPT TO DEFLECT THE FACT OF HIS MOTHER BOOZING IT AT LIZ'S PLACE OF WORK AMONG HER FRIENDS AND COWORKERS WITHIN 24 HOURS OF HER SON'S ARREST.....SO IT IS HIS MOM AND STEP DAD..."HIS PARENTS"
Old Cave Creeker

Camp Verde, AZ

#552 Sep 8, 2008
"IS OBVIOUSLY AN ATTEMPT TO DEFLECT THE FACT OF HIS MOTHER BOOZING IT AT LIZ'S PLACE OF WORK"

Another WOW!

Another chance to rip me? What's your problem? Deflect? What are you talking about? Just stating a fact.

AWWW. life on the internet, isnt it grand... This whole forum is ridiculous and is not helping either of the two families involved... There are better ways of supporting the families and this is NOT it...
Fenris

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#553 Sep 8, 2008
Old Cave Creeker wrote:
"IS OBVIOUSLY AN ATTEMPT TO DEFLECT THE FACT OF HIS MOTHER BOOZING IT AT LIZ'S PLACE OF WORK"
Another WOW!
Another chance to rip me? What's your problem? Deflect? What are you talking about? Just stating a fact.
AWWW. life on the internet, isnt it grand... This whole forum is ridiculous and is not helping either of the two families involved... There are better ways of supporting the families and this is NOT it...
The point being made is that the immediate Lunsford/Butts family is not worthy of support, as their own lifestyles and apathy re:how Mr Lunsford conducted his life in his 26 scant years have helped him attain the lofty perch he has today: ie the ONLY suspect in a depraved and heinous murder worthy of any horror film.

Again, stay tuned, as we delve further into Mr Lunsford's amazingly successful circle of friends....

Old Cave Creeker

Camp Verde, AZ

#554 Sep 8, 2008
I disagree with you Fenris (and this is not a post to start a war).

Both families need the support of their loved ones to get thru this tragedy...

I'm just saying that this (or any) forum is not the place to do it... The airing of dirty laundry will Not help anyone on either side. The cops have what they have and they will sort it out... not you or anyone else can change that.
One Who Knows

United States

#555 Sep 8, 2008
Old Cave Creeker wrote:
I disagree with you Fenris (and this is not a post to start a war).
Both families need the support of their loved ones to get thru this tragedy...
I'm just saying that this (or any) forum is not the place to do it... The airing of dirty laundry will Not help anyone on either side. The cops have what they have and they will sort it out... not you or anyone else can change that.
Of course the cops have all the evidence..duh that is why this monster is in jail and his mother's actions are a direct reflection of this monsters background. It helps us who are dealing with this horrific murder of our friend liz understand a little more of how a 26 year old can become a monster and do something so heinous as this. THE BOTTOM LINE IS HIS MOTHER'S ALCOHOLISM HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN AN AGGRAVATING FACTOR IN THIS MONSTERS LIFE AND PERCEPTION OF HUMANITY. SHE HERSELF IS SO CONTROLLED BY HER ADDICTION THAT IT HAS OBSCURED HER ABILITY TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT HER PRESENCE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING HER SONS MURDER AT LIZ'S PLACE OF WORK HAS DEEPLY AFFECTED LIZ'S FRIENDS AND COWORKERS. SHE HAS BROUGHT TO LIGHT FOR ALL ON THIS FORUM THE UGLINESS OF ALCOHOLICS
Fenris

United States

#556 Sep 8, 2008
Old Cave Creeker wrote:
I disagree with you Fenris (and this is not a post to start a war).
Both families need the support of their loved ones to get thru this tragedy...
I'm just saying that this (or any) forum is not the place to do it... The airing of dirty laundry will Not help anyone on either side. The cops have what they have and they will sort it out... not you or anyone else can change that.
I certainly respect your right to disagree (and commend your politeness while doing so).

However, it is objectionable to a LOT of people that this forum is being used as a means to generate sympathy for Mr Lunsford, or (in the most egregious instances) grasp at the most ridiculous straws possible to try and muddy the waters as to his culpability in this crime. In other words, if the individuals doing so were to stop trying to help him weasel out of this situation, they might be worthy of such treatment. But sadly, they are not.

Therefore, I still plan on posting the arrest report in all its graphic nature (with apologies to the friends/acquaintances of Ms Herman), as well as post the public records of the associates of Mr Lunsford mentioned in said report. While the arrest report is certainly quite damnning evidence towards Mr Lunsford's confused state of mind (and much, much more), it is also startling in the fact that all his friends and associates are (or have been) in trouble or on the run from the law. In the interest of protecting a small community, this public information SHOULD be brought to light, dont you think? No one wants this tragedy repeated, and perhaps it will be a wakeup call for drunks/addicts to realize that their lives are on the wrong track.

In any event, for all the people that are playing the "whodunnit" game here, it should provide a few more pieces to the puzzle.....

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