Labor Rally in Collinsville

Labor Rally in Collinsville

There are 30 comments on the RiverBender.com story from Apr 7, 2011, titled Labor Rally in Collinsville. In it, RiverBender.com reports that:

Union members from across Madison County and beyond gathered in Collinsville on Wednesday to rally for union rights.

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many think it i say it

United States

#1 Apr 8, 2011
more people need to show support for the unions before the republicans turn USA into a third world country.
the truth

United States

#2 Apr 10, 2011
many think it i say it wrote:
more people need to show support for the unions before the republicans turn USA into a third world country.
I Agree 100 percent!!!
A_Dollarsworth

Saint Louis, MO

#3 Apr 11, 2011
It would be nice if they'd show support in other locations. 13 counties right here in this area have 97% of the Union market share in the nation. If you want a good example of what happens when these good Union jobs leave an area go to Flynt Mi.Sometime. Roads full of potholes, houses falling down, and a major vacancy problem but it's all evidence of a once thriving town just not that many years ago. The national debt is another good example of what happens when you get rid of good, union jobs. Buy American and help America pay the mortgage !!!
imaginaryfriend

Plymouth, MI

#4 Apr 11, 2011
Make no mistake, this a class war. We need all middle class workers to join We Are One and stand up for our democracy.
ICU

United States

#5 Apr 13, 2011
Union types have no business in the middle class. Thats why all the jobs left; wages are too high
the facts

United States

#6 Apr 13, 2011
ICU wrote:
Union types have no business in the middle class. Thats why all the jobs left; wages are too high
What do you think built the middle class??
(Hint) It wasn't those nice greedy bosses, the ones that exported the jobs to Mexico and China to start with!!
ICU

United States

#7 Apr 14, 2011
the facts wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you think built the middle class??
(Hint) It wasn't those nice greedy bosses, the ones that exported the jobs to Mexico and China to start with!!
The middle classes were the professors, doctors,managers, merchants and other assorted educated individuals. The jobs that were exported were by the union demands for wages far in excess of what they were entitled to. Unions ruined this country
many think it i say it

Edwardsville, IL

#8 Apr 15, 2011
you know, you see these idiots running around in life, like "ICU" over there. They complain about having to pay the hands that build quality roads, buildings, products, and many other things, along with providing other quality services. Then they support the welfare system and these guy that get paid "6 plus figures" to golfing and play on the computer during half of their work day. Not to mention the added per diems and such that they receive. Republicans basically want to bring back slavery. Work for nothing, just so they can have an extra summer home somewhere. It's funny how their pay and benefits have never been the problem or never been discussed when it comes to cuts and saving America.
the facts

United States

#9 Apr 15, 2011
many think it i say it wrote:
you know, you see these idiots running around in life, like "ICU" over there. They complain about having to pay the hands that build quality roads, buildings, products, and many other things, along with providing other quality services. Then they support the welfare system and these guy that get paid "6 plus figures" to golfing and play on the computer during half of their work day. Not to mention the added per diems and such that they receive. Republicans basically want to bring back slavery. Work for nothing, just so they can have an extra summer home somewhere. It's funny how their pay and benefits have never been the problem or never been discussed when it comes to cuts and saving America.
Very well said
ICU

Dearborn, MI

#10 Apr 15, 2011
The unions have run practically every industry out of the riverbend area with their unceasing demands for more and more money. At one time the word was "if you cant find a job in East St louis you cant find a job at all." Today its "can you find a job anywhere?" The so called big tough union men can now only get jobs like road projects handed out by politicians with tax money. Come election day those same politicians are elected with union support. It is a self feeding cycle that has broken the state treasury though and can not continue on. Illinois has been broken by the unions and the politicians they have elected. taxes and fees are going up on everything to continue to feed this cycle of desperity. Unions had a place and a time, but no more. Today they are counter productive and need to be eliminated once and for all
the facts

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#11 Apr 16, 2011
ICU since you are so smart ,tell me when is the last time a union got a multi million dollar tax break or t.i.f. like the corporations do.
Do me a favor, tell me the name of your company since your a union basher, I'm sure you don't want me to spend any of my hard earned union paycheck there!! I will be glad to take my business somewhere else and tell others to do the same.
ICU

Dearborn, MI

#12 Apr 16, 2011
the facts wrote:
ICU since you are so smart ,tell me when is the last time a union got a multi million dollar tax break or t.i.f. like the corporations do.
Do me a favor, tell me the name of your company since your a union basher, I'm sure you don't want me to spend any of my hard earned union paycheck there!! I will be glad to take my business somewhere else and tell others to do the same.
Unions get a tax break every day; they don't pay taxes. As for boycotts that doesn't work anymore. WalMart isn't union so why don't you just go boycott them. How about Lowes or Home Depot? What about some of the building suppliers? Try and buy something that was only delivered by a union teamster. The list goes on. Just go ahead and boycott all non-union businesses and see where it gets you. You are living in the past
the facts

United States

#13 Apr 16, 2011
ICU wrote:
<quoted text>Unions get a tax break every day; they don't pay taxes. As for boycotts that doesn't work anymore. WalMart isn't union so why don't you just go boycott them. How about Lowes or Home Depot? What about some of the building suppliers? Try and buy something that was only delivered by a union teamster. The list goes on. Just go ahead and boycott all non-union businesses and see where it gets you. You are living in the past
Most of the places you name aren't on here bashing me like you are !!
Its kind of funny I've had people say a lot of anti union things in front of me. When when I tell them I'm union, most will shut up and ask me where I work. When I tell them, they ask if my employer is hiring, and if I will help them get a job there.I always tell them no, you wouldn't want to work there anyway because its a union job.
So all I can figure out is you must be one of those people who are jealous because your Job sucks and you have no future!!
none

Florissant, MO

#14 Apr 17, 2011
hey ICU as far as getting more than im entitled to...and not being one of the so-called "educated types", im a union electrician and i went through a 5 year apprenticeship and also risk my life everyday working on and around live electrical devices. if you would rather have some unskilled, untrained guy wire your house for 10 bucks an hour then by all means hire a non union company
ICU

United States

#15 Apr 17, 2011
Two interesting posts. One makes up certain assumptions, then professes conclusions based upon those assumptions. SO much for that
Now as to the Union Electrician. I have noticed that the IBEW is starting a new classification where houses can be wired by union individuals at much less than twenty dollars an hour. At the same time the carpenter's Union also has certified electricians. Reading the NEC is no big deal and quite frankly having read it once I found it to be the biggest make work book I had ever read. Of course the electrical equipment manufacturers have a hand in the NEc as well. A good example of this was teh Arc fault breakers that were the must have item recently. Another overkill that thankfully went away. So if I need any wiring done I will do it myself.
none

Florissant, MO

#16 Apr 17, 2011
actually you heard wrong about the classification that wires houses for less than 20 an hour but anyway...and there arent any "certified" electricians in the carpenters union. if u mean licensed then im sure that at least one person in the shop is, or they wouldnt be able to do business in most places. and you're tellin me u read the nec?? cover to cover huh? so even if you have that doesnt make u an electrician pal, far from it. and im not talkin about wiring houses. im talking about temp. control, motor control, instrumentation, telecom., fire alarm, grounding and bonding just to name a few. do they teach you how to do that in the nec??
none

Florissant, MO

#17 Apr 17, 2011
and icu, you (or someone in your family) are welcome for the 8 hour day, 40 hour week and overtime pay. i have a feeling you dont work much at all. how could you if you have enough time to read the NEC cover to cover
ICU

United States

#18 Apr 17, 2011
Oh I don't think I have heard wong about the residential wiring classification that the IBEW has on the way. The way it was put to me was it will be an intermediate step between journeyman and first term apprentice.
Now lets see. Temp controll. is that like a thermostat; limit switch or digital control units
Motor control. rheostats possibly for speed, field winding controls, relays and other magnetic switching?
instrumentation and telecom would be low voltage circutry and I assume the fire alarm systms would have to be in accordance with the national fire code as well as the NEC
Grounding and Bonding are extensivly covered by the NEC. Your mentioning that "do they teach grounding and bonding" in the NEC shows your inability to grasp the qualifications of a real electrician. I know more than you and I am not certified. By the way I have had a lot of my work inspected and never once got a red tag. As for the digital aspects of the controls you mentioned above, let me know when you get past the stage of connecting color coded wires to each other and maybe I will teach you
none

Florissant, MO

#19 Apr 18, 2011
cudos to you for knowing how to google something!! who's a big boy?!?! the nec is a guie for rules and regulations not an instruction manual. and you are getting off point here, you said new classification pays way under 20 bucks an hour. not true. and i didnt hear anything about these "certified" electricians in the carpenters union?? like you said anyone can read the code book. that doesnt make you an electrician buddy. neither does typing a word into the google search engine. and by the way those color coded wires you mentioned, somebody had to color code them u idiot!! and we do that so the next guy doesnt have to ring out every wire in a can. which in some cases can be several hundred or more. thanks icu. have a good day
LOL

Saint Louis, MO

#20 Apr 18, 2011
Hey ICU if you belive that reading the NEC makes you "qualified". Then come work with me on a few 13.8Kv substations.

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