After 25 years, St. Clair Shores' fir...

After 25 years, St. Clair Shores' fire chief to retire

There are 117 comments on the Detroit Free Press story from Mar 19, 2010, titled After 25 years, St. Clair Shores' fire chief to retire. In it, Detroit Free Press reports that:

Fire Chief Matthew Kovalcik is retiring with his last day scheduled for April 14, the city of St.

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fbi29

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#1 Mar 19, 2010
Would someone explain if we were to share our police and fire dept. How would they get paid? Would they get paid by the cities that we share or would our dept's get overtime.
How would this save our city money?
Hannah

Columbus, OH

#2 Mar 19, 2010
fbi29 wrote:
Would someone explain if we were to share our police and fire dept. How would they get paid? Would they get paid by the cities that we share or would our dept's get overtime.
How would this save our city money?
Google the Grosse Pointes (all five of them). At one of their recent council meetings they brought up that they are considering consolidating all of the Pointes Police and Fire. They would not need a Fire, Police Chief for each municipality. They would be able to eliminate positions (most likely through retirements-just not replacing that employee) that would duplicate services. They listed how many detectives etc., that they could save as it would be duplicating services. Even in the records department of the Police Department you would not need 5 different records departments (Grosse Pointes) you could have one. I think it is a great thing to look into. Just like if we consolidated with other close by cities (as long as they are up to par) we would not need 3 police chiefs, 3 fire chiefs. If they had one Police Chief responsible for 3 cities then I would think that each city would pay their portion of that individuals salary. Like Mr. Podolski said, we can no longer go on as we are or we will not survive. The citizens can not afford to keep passing millages etc., as most of them are not working and everyone that I know has had to take concessions at their place of employment if they are lucky enough to be working. We can do this and be successful!
Kathy Scruggs

Clinton Township, MI

#3 Mar 19, 2010
Hannah wrote:
<quoted text>
Google the Grosse Pointes (all five of them). At one of their recent council meetings they brought up that they are considering consolidating all of the Pointes Police and Fire. They would not need a Fire, Police Chief for each municipality. They would be able to eliminate positions (most likely through retirements-just not replacing that employee) that would duplicate services. They listed how many detectives etc., that they could save as it would be duplicating services. Even in the records department of the Police Department you would not need 5 different records departments (Grosse Pointes) you could have one. I think it is a great thing to look into. Just like if we consolidated with other close by cities (as long as they are up to par) we would not need 3 police chiefs, 3 fire chiefs. If they had one Police Chief responsible for 3 cities then I would think that each city would pay their portion of that individuals salary. Like Mr. Podolski said, we can no longer go on as we are or we will not survive. The citizens can not afford to keep passing millages etc., as most of them are not working and everyone that I know has had to take concessions at their place of employment if they are lucky enough to be working. We can do this and be successful!
I think I recently read where Grandholm is suggesting cities consolidate these services, as well as urging school districts to consolidate as well. With State Revenue Sharing down and apt to stay that way for a while, this is a very viable option. In Warren, according to today's Macomb Daily, Fouts is talking with Centerline. It is certainly something our city should consider.

In another post, I had read someone suggested we close a fire station. Somehow, someway, maybe years ago it became the 'norm' for insuranace purposes that fire departments should be able to answer any alarm within a certain time frame and if they were our insurance rates would go down. Don't know if our stations were built before this, but it's just a thought to throw out ....
Take care, everyone!
Jack

United States

#4 Mar 19, 2010
Kathy Scruggs wrote:
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I think I recently read where Grandholm is suggesting cities consolidate these services, as well as urging school districts to consolidate as well. With State Revenue Sharing down and apt to stay that way for a while, this is a very viable option. In Warren, according to today's Macomb Daily, Fouts is talking with Centerline. It is certainly something our city should consider.
In another post, I had read someone suggested we close a fire station. Somehow, someway, maybe years ago it became the 'norm' for insuranace purposes that fire departments should be able to answer any alarm within a certain time frame and if they were our insurance rates would go down. Don't know if our stations were built before this, but it's just a thought to throw out ....
Take care, everyone!
Love that its Granholm suggesting this when one of the big reasons our cities are in the shape they're in is because the state is holding on to our state-shared revenue so that it can use the money to balance its budget, instead of giving it back to us for us to use. But thanks for the savings tips, Jenny.
Jack

United States

#5 Mar 19, 2010
Next Jenny will be sending us coupons to use. Every penny helps!
Carl Fletcher

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#6 Mar 19, 2010
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Kathy Scruggs wrote:
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I think I recently read where Grandholm is suggesting cities consolidate these services, as well as urging school districts to consolidate as well. With State Revenue Sharing down and apt to stay that way for a while, this is a very viable option. In Warren, according to today's Macomb Daily, Fouts is talking with Centerline. It is certainly something our city should consider.
In another post, I had read someone suggested we close a fire station. Somehow, someway, maybe years ago it became the 'norm' for insuranace purposes that fire departments should be able to answer any alarm within a certain time frame and if they were our insurance rates would go down. Don't know if our stations were built before this, but it's just a thought to throw out ....
Take care, everyone!
Nothing but the facts

Canton, MI

#7 Mar 19, 2010
When the population has dropped by 30% I think that two stations is sufficient and has been for sometime, the real problem is, no one whats to relinquish their power and/or pension, however its time boys. By reducing the amount of stations we can also reduce the man power and overhead, thus creating a large savings. The same applies to the school districts, two districts is plenty, even though this is not a council issue, our state representative should bring it up on the floor and start the ball rolling. There are many greedy school board members getting an unecessary pay, the pay days are over folks, hit the door and don't look back. I have brought these issues up for four years... Wake up, its later than you think. The free ride is over...
Write in the right man

Hamtramck, MI

#8 Mar 19, 2010
Nothing but the facts wrote:
When the population has dropped by 30% I think that two stations is sufficient and has been for sometime, the real problem is, no one whats to relinquish their power and/or pension, however its time boys. By reducing the amount of stations we can also reduce the man power and overhead, thus creating a large savings. The same applies to the school districts, two districts is plenty, even though this is not a council issue, our state representative should bring it up on the floor and start the ball rolling. There are many greedy school board members getting an unecessary pay, the pay days are over folks, hit the door and don't look back. I have brought these issues up for four years... Wake up, its later than you think. The free ride is over...
Well I'd be damned,if it ain't Mr. Know,it,all again.
Rooster

Warren, MI

#9 Mar 19, 2010
Hannah wrote:
<quoted text>
Google the Grosse Pointes (all five of them). At one of their recent council meetings they brought up that they are considering consolidating all of the Pointes Police and Fire. They would not need a Fire, Police Chief for each municipality. They would be able to eliminate positions (most likely through retirements-just not replacing that employee) that would duplicate services. They listed how many detectives etc., that they could save as it would be duplicating services. Even in the records department of the Police Department you would not need 5 different records departments (Grosse Pointes) you could have one. I think it is a great thing to look into. Just like if we consolidated with other close by cities (as long as they are up to par) we would not need 3 police chiefs, 3 fire chiefs. If they had one Police Chief responsible for 3 cities then I would think that each city would pay their portion of that individuals salary. Like Mr. Podolski said, we can no longer go on as we are or we will not survive. The citizens can not afford to keep passing millages etc., as most of them are not working and everyone that I know has had to take concessions at their place of employment if they are lucky enough to be working. We can do this and be successful!
Well we may as well team up with Eastpoint and Roseville, our communities are becoming so similar. Maybe when we combine we can share in their higher crime rates, I mean really they both have us beat with more burglaries.They both have lower home values,WHOOPIE!!!! Hell, we might as well put old S.C.S. on the map with higher murder rates. Sure we have had a few good killings but GOLLY we are no roseville or Eastpoint. We can do much worse. Stupid people.
Rooster

Warren, MI

#10 Mar 19, 2010
Nothing but the facts wrote:
When the population has dropped by 30% I think that two stations is sufficient and has been for sometime, the real problem is, no one whats to relinquish their power and/or pension, however its time boys. By reducing the amount of stations we can also reduce the man power and overhead, thus creating a large savings. The same applies to the school districts, two districts is plenty, even though this is not a council issue, our state representative should bring it up on the floor and start the ball rolling. There are many greedy school board members getting an unecessary pay, the pay days are over folks, hit the door and don't look back. I have brought these issues up for four years... Wake up, its later than you think. The free ride is over...
Lets take all those savings and........and.....and........ lower taxes? Wake up, you're dreaming.
You must be kidding

United States

#12 Mar 19, 2010
Nothing but the facts wrote:
When the population has dropped by 30% I think that two stations is sufficient and has been for sometime, the real problem is, no one whats to relinquish their power and/or pension, however its time boys. By reducing the amount of stations we can also reduce the man power and overhead, thus creating a large savings. The same applies to the school districts, two districts is plenty, even though this is not a council issue, our state representative should bring it up on the floor and start the ball rolling. There are many greedy school board members getting an unecessary pay, the pay days are over folks, hit the door and don't look back. I have brought these issues up for four years... Wake up, its later than you think. The free ride is over...
Problem, is you are not thinking. Show me somwe numbers, some type of hard evidence instead of your "I think" scenerios. I think means you don't know what you are talking about
You must be kidding

United States

#13 Mar 19, 2010
yeah lets consolidate with Eastpointe. We probably would never be down on 8 mile or anything like that.
Two More to Retire

Sterling Heights, MI

#14 Mar 19, 2010
You must be kidding wrote:
yeah lets consolidate with Eastpointe. We probably would never be down on 8 mile or anything like that.
We will see then what real professionals are like, we'll see how SCS boys operate under pressure from the border city the big "D". I don't think they will score to well, in their fire engines or chargers...
Judge Dred

Harper Woods, MI

#15 Mar 19, 2010
I bet our fireman are regreting taking their contract to arbitration now. Next time they should work with us instead of forcing our hand. Now that they may lose head count is when they only want to come to the podium and talk. Sorry we can't talk right now, because there is still that arbitration issue.
Rooster

Warren, MI

#16 Mar 19, 2010
Judge Dred wrote:
I bet our fireman are regreting taking their contract to arbitration now. Next time they should work with us instead of forcing our hand. Now that they may lose head count is when they only want to come to the podium and talk. Sorry we can't talk right now, because there is still that arbitration issue.
You said a mouth full. Do you swallow?
Not saving you money

United States

#17 Mar 20, 2010
We Have an Iso Rating of 2. Meaning homeowners insurance is much lower, Rarely do cities of our size get a 1. Only big cities with an abundance of resources get that type of rating;(I.E. New York, Los Angeles). Detroit only has a 3. St. Clair Shores Used To have 5 Men on an engine, now there's only 3; Because of population declines. Equipment location is only for logistics. Manpower is where the real rating rests. Think about this, we are the same length as warren, and roughly half as wide, they have 6 stations. We have 3. Roseville has 2, but they have a smaller population. They are not a "bedroom community" they have more commercially zoned property. And if you really read the Article on Grosse Pointe, They want one Police and one fire department for all, no more public safety.
Rooster

Livonia, MI

#18 Mar 20, 2010
Not saving you money wrote:
We Have an Iso Rating of 2. Meaning homeowners insurance is much lower, Rarely do cities of our size get a 1. Only big cities with an abundance of resources get that type of rating;(I.E. New York, Los Angeles). Detroit only has a 3. St. Clair Shores Used To have 5 Men on an engine, now there's only 3; Because of population declines. Equipment location is only for logistics. Manpower is where the real rating rests. Think about this, we are the same length as warren, and roughly half as wide, they have 6 stations. We have 3. Roseville has 2, but they have a smaller population. They are not a "bedroom community" they have more commercially zoned property. And if you really read the Article on Grosse Pointe, They want one Police and one fire department for all, no more public safety.
Just think pretty soon we'll have more fireman and cops than we have residents. What rating will we have then?
Rooster

Warren, MI

#19 Mar 20, 2010
Rooster wrote:
<quoted text>Just think pretty soon we'll have more fireman and cops than we have residents. What rating will we have then?
Original thought, and name. Your sarcasm is semi humorous. When Harper is the "new" 8 mile, it will be beyond repair. I like my town the way it is. How about finding a way to attract young families and new business to S.C.S. That might help.
Judge Dred

Harper Woods, MI

#20 Mar 20, 2010
Rooster wrote:
<quoted text>Original thought, and name. Your sarcasm is semi humorous. When Harper is the "new" 8 mile, it will be beyond repair. I like my town the way it is. How about finding a way to attract young families and new business to S.C.S. That might help.
Neither will happen under this current Mayor (aka Mr. Rogers) and his supporters. His way of thinking and practices are outdated. We need a younger more out of the box thinking Mayor if you want the image of the city to change. No more old guys representing this city.
Shores Voter

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#21 Mar 20, 2010
Rooster wrote:
<quoted text>Lets take all those savings and........and.....and........ lower taxes? Wake up, you're dreaming.
No one is suggesting that they think our taxes will be reduced. BUT, with all of the property taxes dropping the revenue the city collects will be drastically reduced. Therefore, they will have to INCREASE our taxes or cut things out of the budget. Much like a household has to do when they lose income. You see what you can do without and what can wait until your income situation improves. So we cut things out of the city budget and.....and.....and......and not raise taxes and still provide the amount of service the community needs and deserves. Wake and smell the coffee.

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