Sandra Loepp hit and run victim
Squalala

Rockford, MI

#680 Jan 9, 2013
Sylvester wrote:
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The stop sign is no longer there, VD continues and there is a stop sign at Campground and VD.
But still it is a curve and requires one to slow down to navigate it right?
ConcernedWithCom passion

Rochester, MI

#681 Jan 9, 2013
I don't live in the area, so I wasn't precisely familiar with the logistics, or location Sandra was located when discovered. But, you can clearly see the area through Google Maps satellite view and the "little orange guy" street view. I have to believe my observation is not new, but this is the first driveway headed north after the Van Dyke/Campground split, and where it jogs back onto Van Dyke, right? If so, WHAT STANDS OUT IS, there are mobile homes RIGHT THERE.

Were residents asked if they picked up any unusual sights or sounds? Unfortunately, I recall this as being a rainy evening, which would mute sounds. But, if this was a terrible, unintentional accident, I would think there would have been sounds made by the person driving, or any passengers. And there are 2 homes that appear to be only 10-20 feet away. I'm sure this is not a new observation, but I've not heard any press details on what has been investigated, or comments here (not that I'm keeping up with all the comments here!).

As I think about that, I also think there would have been a commotion in that mobile home parking lot, IF this were a complete accident AND there was more than one person in the car. Trying to believe in the humanity of people, I just can't picture 2 or more persons seeing this unfold and then getting back in their car and just leaving, if it were an unintentional accident.

Also, speaking as someone more of an outsider of the area.....bars were still open at 1am. If they were not passing through toward home, but headed to another business location, they may have returned to M53 by going south from the mobile home park after this. I doubt Washington is drawing a big bar crowd that's not from the area, but I personally would not know any other direction to depart the area than south (my connections are all south of the 30 mile references I've read to M53). Did any vehicles caught on a camera appear driving both north, and then south a short while later? I'm certainly no detective, but in a panic, I'd be concerned about PEOPLE seeing me leaving (I wouldn't leave, but that is our scenario), I would not be thinking of cameras in that stretch of road. Are there any with good enough visual to see a car passing through in both directions in the plausible timeline?
ConcernedWithCom passion

Rochester, MI

#682 Jan 9, 2013
One more thought, and I am sorry, sorry, sorry to even type this knowing those close to Sandra are reading. But, another location this driver may have gone to soon after is a car wash. And with the terrible weather and end of the weekend, it may have been an odd time to do that. I am revulsed by the notion, but have not seen the suggestion before hand. And it may merit asking questions or looking for suspicious cleaning if caught on camera. Did it rain that Sunday as well?

I'm sure professional investigators and detectives have common things to consider like this, and I wish this person would come forward to end this constant speculation. These thoughts should not be the focus of anyone. And I understand that restricting the information known to the public may be an advantage on law enforcement's end. But, I really wish there could be a detailed update done by the professionals on what has been ruled out; though without answers, it's probably impossible to rule much out.

This just makes me sad for all involved.
Sylvester

New York, NY

#683 Jan 9, 2013
The event at Buffalo Wild Wings, huge success. Sandra has a whole community behind her, wanting justice. The wife and I waited over an hour for a table.
To Sandra's sisters, you're doing good work. You're both very strong and it was a pleasure meeting you tonight.
Sylvester

New York, NY

#684 Jan 9, 2013
ConcernedWithCompassion wrote:
I don't live in the area, so I wasn't precisely familiar with the logistics, or location Sandra was located when discovered. But, you can clearly see the area through Google Maps satellite view and the "little orange guy" street view. I have to believe my observation is not new, but this is the first driveway headed north after the Van Dyke/Campground split, and where it jogs back onto Van Dyke, right? If so, WHAT STANDS OUT IS, there are mobile homes RIGHT THERE.
Were residents asked if they picked up any unusual sights or sounds? Unfortunately, I recall this as being a rainy evening, which would mute sounds. But, if this was a terrible, unintentional accident, I would think there would have been sounds made by the person driving, or any passengers. And there are 2 homes that appear to be only 10-20 feet away. I'm sure this is not a new observation, but I've not heard any press details on what has been investigated, or comments here (not that I'm keeping up with all the comments here!).
As I think about that, I also think there would have been a commotion in that mobile home parking lot, IF this were a complete accident AND there was more than one person in the car. Trying to believe in the humanity of people, I just can't picture 2 or more persons seeing this unfold and then getting back in their car and just leaving, if it were an unintentional accident.
Also, speaking as someone more of an outsider of the area.....bars were still open at 1am. If they were not passing through toward home, but headed to another business location, they may have returned to M53 by going south from the mobile home park after this. I doubt Washington is drawing a big bar crowd that's not from the area, but I personally would not know any other direction to depart the area than south (my connections are all south of the 30 mile references I've read to M53). Did any vehicles caught on a camera appear driving both north, and then south a short while later? I'm certainly no detective, but in a panic, I'd be concerned about PEOPLE seeing me leaving (I wouldn't leave, but that is our scenario), I would not be thinking of cameras in that stretch of road. Are there any with good enough visual to see a car passing through in both directions in the plausible timeline?
Just food for thought, mobile homes have VERY thin walls...and given the caliber of renters in this park I would guess they don't get concerned about racket because there's probably quite a bit on weekends.
I figured it out

Romeo, MI

#685 Jan 9, 2013
I think even a drunk would see someone walking that close to the road, but someone who was destracted ie texting could have hit her. Or worse yet, drunk and texting! If someone knows of a person that was in that area on their way home or to visit them and was engaged in a text conversation that suddenly stopped.
I figured it out

Romeo, MI

#686 Jan 9, 2013
Also if this person was engaged in a text conversation they may be afraid to turn themselves in knowing that LE would know that a conversation was going on when she was hit. If this person is reading this site, do yourself and everyone else a favor and turn yourself in. If you are a stranger then EVERYONE knows it was a tragic accident, whatever the circumstance. It has to be eating you up.... :-( ..... Do the right thing
I figured it out

Romeo, MI

#687 Jan 9, 2013
Also if anyone out there that lives in that area was expecting someone to stop by or come over at 1am Sunday and that person suddenly changed their mind and didn't show?!?. Or they showed up later than they said. Somebody may have gone on a food run ie Taco Bell, Mickey D's, and came back with no food, or didn't come back at all. Might be all LE needs for a break.
puzzled

Washington, MI

#688 Jan 9, 2013
I figured it out wrote:
Also if anyone out there that lives in that area was expecting someone to stop by or come over at 1am Sunday and that person suddenly changed their mind and didn't show?!?. Or they showed up later than they said. Somebody may have gone on a food run ie Taco Bell, Mickey D's, and came back with no food, or didn't come back at all. Might be all LE needs for a break.
all good fresh ideas!
McNugget

Washington, PA

#689 Jan 9, 2013
I figured it out wrote:
Also if anyone out there that lives in that area was expecting someone to stop by or come over at 1am Sunday and that person suddenly changed their mind and didn't show?!?. Or they showed up later than they said. Somebody may have gone on a food run ie Taco Bell, Mickey D's, and came back with no food, or didn't come back at all. Might be all LE needs for a break.
Great thinking!
Squa

Rockford, MI

#690 Jan 9, 2013
I figured it out wrote:
Also if this person was engaged in a text conversation they may be afraid to turn themselves in knowing that LE would know that a conversation was going on when she was hit. If this person is reading this site, do yourself and everyone else a favor and turn yourself in. If you are a stranger then EVERYONE knows it was a tragic accident, whatever the circumstance. It has to be eating you up....:-(... Do the right thing
Sadly I think this person will not come forward. It's been too long now and I am sure they've seen the family calling them a monster and have seen the anger (rightly so I might add) at them. I think the only hope is for someone else to turn them in and this is only if someone else knows about it.
I figured it out

Romeo, MI

#692 Jan 9, 2013
Her beautiful face must haunt you. It's time to do the right thing...... It will be the most courageous thing you do the rest of your life, and you will be rewarded with peace of mind. Coming forward now shows everyone involved that you are not the monster that is being portrayed. Call someone right now and let them know how sorry you are, do it for the family but most of all for yourself..... you need this off your chest
Iamwhoiam

United States

#693 Jan 9, 2013
hmmm wrote:
Thats interesting ...what about the shuttle bus from santinos did it still drive the rest of them home? Or if it didnt why not? Was the bus investigated?
Santinos bus not at santinos for the last two days. Ot normally aits on the side where its visable from the road. Not anymore......
Karma

Macomb, MI

#694 Jan 9, 2013
Several of my posts have been deleted or never showed up. With that being said I passed on an idea for tracking down certain people in that vicinity that night. LE is going to have to do some legwork and research, but they may come up with something. Come up with thinking out of the box ideas and pass them along to the family...every idea has potential to help.
I figured it out

Romeo, MI

#696 Jan 9, 2013
I don't think there's any way possible that 2 ppl were in the suspect vehicle. There's no way two people didn't see her walking down that road. Furthermore , that's 2 ppl with the guilt of this on their shoulders. Somebody would crack, especially a female.
Tell Me Something

Clinton Township, MI

#697 Jan 9, 2013
I figured it out wrote:
I think even a drunk would see someone walking that close to the road, but someone who was destracted ie texting could have hit her. Or worse yet, drunk and texting! If someone knows of a person that was in that area on their way home or to visit them and was engaged in a text conversation that suddenly stopped.
I'm happy to see there's more discussion on trying to figure out what happened that night and less on what happened in the past. Although I do agree that the characteristics of all people there are important and need to be taken into account, even if it's just to rule them out.

So since I'm not too familiar with the area either I checked Google maps too. Has anybody mentioned that maybe S wasn't walking on the side of the road? Is it possible that she was crossing the intersection somewhere at Van Dyke and Campground to get over to the walking trail? There's an entrance right there and it seems that would be the most likely place along the route for her to cut over. Otherwise she would have to go through bushes and stuff. Maybe she knew V was going to use the trail and was trying to follow behind? Or maybe she just knew it was the best path to her house. From what I have read her personal belongings were found quite a bit up the road though. I'm not sure what exactly was found but maybe it's possible they didn't drop until that point.

I just don't understand how someone could drive through that intersection, turn left and continue on that far though. They had to have stopped for a reason. Either they knew they hit her or they thought something was wrong with their car. And if I were driving at night alone (or even with someone) and thought something was wrong with my car I wouldn't keep driving until I found what I would assume is a quiet parking lot. I would stop at the first place possible which would have been Mexican Island or Old Stone from what I see on the map. Why would someone purposely pass up a public area and then stop at a desolate place? It just doesn't make sense to me. But nothing about this whole situation does.
Curious

New York, NY

#698 Jan 9, 2013
I have two questions. First as someone mentioned earlier about the vehicle's driving direction. Does LE no for sure that the vehicle was traveling north? If so, how can that be proven? Secondly, is it possible that she was hit somewhere away from the mobile home, maybe closer to the wooded area? I haven't been physically able to drive by the area, so I'm not exactly sure where she was alleged to be hit. But I'm thinking that if she were hit by the trailer park people had to have heard the commotion. But if she was hit further away maybe it is less likely that it was heard? Just a thought.
Im Right As Usual

Wahiawa, HI

#699 Jan 10, 2013
I don't understand how this story is not national when people are posting here from Salton City, CA. Four people live there.

What did you do after you hit her, Random Driver? Nothing needed fixing? Coin spray wash? Wash in garage? Were the issues underneath and not overtly visible? You must have panicked. What steps did you take to keep this a secret? Someone noticed and will tell. The reward will get higher and they will finally tell.

Every flyer helps get closer to you. Who is aware that you are the one? The next flyer could land with a neighbor, your neighbor Random Driver. We know you are reading this. It is all closing in. How much longer can you keep this up? What are you waiting for? Her blood alcohol level to be released? Think that will help people understand that you are not really to blame?

Have you gone yet to a priest? A lawyer? Go see the Sheriff now.

There will be no lynch mob. You'll be given better treatment than you gave her after you hit her.
McNugget

Washington, PA

#700 Jan 10, 2013
Tell Me Something wrote:
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I'm happy to see there's more discussion on trying to figure out what happened that night and less on what happened in the past. Although I do agree that the characteristics of all people there are important and need to be taken into account, even if it's just to rule them out.
So since I'm not too familiar with the area either I checked Google maps too. Has anybody mentioned that maybe S wasn't walking on the side of the road? Is it possible that she was crossing the intersection somewhere at Van Dyke and Campground to get over to the walking trail? There's an entrance right there and it seems that would be the most likely place along the route for her to cut over. Otherwise she would have to go through bushes and stuff. Maybe she knew V was going to use the trail and was trying to follow behind? Or maybe she just knew it was the best path to her house. From what I have read her personal belongings were found quite a bit up the road though. I'm not sure what exactly was found but maybe it's possible they didn't drop until that point.
I just don't understand how someone could drive through that intersection, turn left and continue on that far though. They had to have stopped for a reason. Either they knew they hit her or they thought something was wrong with their car. And if I were driving at night alone (or even with someone) and thought something was wrong with my car I wouldn't keep driving until I found what I would assume is a quiet parking lot. I would stop at the first place possible which would have been Mexican Island or Old Stone from what I see on the map. Why would someone purposely pass up a public area and then stop at a desolate place? It just doesn't make sense to me. But nothing about this whole situation does.
I'm not sure what your map is showing, but the trailer park is the first driveway after the intersection.
Want Justice

Bloomfield Hills, MI

#701 Jan 10, 2013
I'd just like to comment and thank everyone for changing the tone of this board over the last couple of days. What I'm seeing now is intelligent discussion about the facts of Sandra's untimely death and little to no discussion of bashing people who had nothing to do with this.

That being said, I have a theory for you. I'm giving the driver the benefit of the doubt, it was dark, rainy, and there was no reason to expect a pedestrian at that time of night in that area. She might have even have fallen down. Striking her may have been unavoidable.

Of course, once that happened this person ran? Why? Panic? Why? There is some reason why they wanted to avoid LE. Two reasons pop out to me, 1) of course, is that they were beyond the legal limit for alcohol. 2) hasn't been discussed, what if they were illegal? There are many workers in this area and a good percentage that are illegal and would of course want to avoid LE for what was an innocent accident. If 2 is the case, they could very well be long gone from the area.

Any thoughts?

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