Zion Crossroads Water Project In Danger

Zion Crossroads Water Project In Danger

There are 17 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Aug 10, 2010, titled Zion Crossroads Water Project In Danger. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

A joint water project between Fluvanna and Louisa counties to bring water, and development, to Zion Crossroads my be drying up.

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Outrage in Fluvanna

Earlysville, VA

#1 Aug 10, 2010
If you happened to miss the debacle that was last weeks BOS meeting, be glad that you didn't waste your time. A perfect example of poor leadership and lack of fundamental understanding of every governmental principle and function. Five hours of BS and they still didn't make a decision. Either get in and get something done or get the hell out of the way and let a real county government (Louisa) show you idiots how to make a county prosper. Gene Ott is all over the place and lacks the ability to lead a horse to water. Make a damn decision or resign!! Most of the BOS wouldn't know how to make a payroll because most of them have relied on someone else to make their paycheck. Career government employees don't know how to make money unless the government writes them a check. Get out of the way and let businessmen do business and create jobs. How pathetic is it that the two largest employers in Fluvanna County are the School Board and the County itself??? Leadership???
Teresa

Troy, VA

#2 Aug 10, 2010
Stop dragging your feet Fluvanna!! We NEED this pipeline and we need big business to help provide tax revenue. The private citizens CANNOT do it all. We're talking about developing one or two small pockets of the county, not destroying the rural character of the county. And get over your fear of water authorities--when I lived in Northern Va, we had water authorities is both counties in which we resided, and our water bills were about 1/4 what we pay at Lake Monticello. Let's get on board with this to help finance our schools, and to maybe get rid of Aqua Virginia somewhere down the road!
Outrage in Fluvanna

Earlysville, VA

#3 Aug 10, 2010
Amen sister! AMEN!
Mom2Finn

Johnson City, TN

#4 Aug 10, 2010
Fluvanna has 48% of its real estate tax base tied up in school bond debt (with another $3M coming on line next fiscal year, bringing that t 62% of our real estate tax base), and Mozelle Booker says we are "not broke"?!?!?!?!?!
Mom2Finn

Johnson City, TN

#5 Aug 10, 2010
Teresa wrote:
Stop dragging your feet Fluvanna!! We NEED this pipeline and we need big business to help provide tax revenue. The private citizens CANNOT do it all. We're talking about developing one or two small pockets of the county, not destroying the rural character of the county. And get over your fear of water authorities--when I lived in Northern Va, we had water authorities is both counties in which we resided, and our water bills were about 1/4 what we pay at Lake Monticello. Let's get on board with this to help finance our schools, and to maybe get rid of Aqua Virginia somewhere down the road!
The war for Zions Crossroads is over and Louisa won. To think Fluvanna can duplicate that by committing money for a pipeline we do not have is flawed. Once the real estate tax assessments are done to reflect current market values and all the debt comes on line for us to pay, Fluvanna will easily be at $.80+ per $100. Once all that happens, Fluvanna will no longer be a regional bargain. Why would any big business come to our side of county line when tax rates will equal Albemarle with none of the services or infrastructure available?
GoUVa

Bristow, VA

#6 Aug 11, 2010
If I read correctly it appears they have only spent 1 million dollars so far. Several more millions will need to be spent before they decide to do away with the project because that is what Government does now. Take a page from Charlottesville/Albemarle and do a $250,000 dollar study to see if it is beneficial to waste a few million dollars more before calling it quits.
Concerned Troy Residents

Charlottesville, VA

#7 Aug 11, 2010
Mom2Finn wrote:
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The war for Zions Crossroads is over and Louisa won. To think Fluvanna can duplicate that by committing money for a pipeline we do not have is flawed. Once the real estate tax assessments are done to reflect current market values and all the debt comes on line for us to pay, Fluvanna will easily be at $.80+ per $100. Once all that happens, Fluvanna will no longer be a regional bargain. Why would any big business come to our side of county line when tax rates will equal Albemarle with none of the services or infrastructure available?
We couldn''t have put it better ourselves! It is too late to salvage the Zions Crossroads area, Fluvanna side, because it is full of industrial blight. Kind of funny that NBC 29 didn't explore the area further and actually take pictures of the blight on the Fluvanna side!? Who in their right mind would want to locate next to trash facilities, propane tanks, CAT Rentals, Better Living, AG Dillard, etc....?! All of this traffic goes on Route 250 West of Zions Crossroads to provide services outside of Fluvanna, and the businesses/customers don't utilize I-64 at Zions Crossroads (they are one mile from this exchange), and these businesses provide absolutely no services to those that reside in the area, no new jobs because most located from another area that didn't want them, very little tax revenue, road deterioriation, unsafe for school buses and residences using the road, etc.... Why should we as taxpayers pay for this water which will result in more for this blight!? The current BOS members aren't worried about it because it is not in their back yards. They have their own agendas period.
Concerned Troy Residents

Charlottesville, VA

#8 Aug 11, 2010
One more thing: A result of all of this industrial blight will be a further decrease in residential property values for those of us who live in the area. Wake up Planning Commission, Economic Development Director (when and if one is hired), and Board of Supervisors!
Outrage in Fluvanna

Stuart, VA

#9 Aug 11, 2010
Just checking Concerned Troy residents. How many houses like yours were built with building supplies by a construction/builder so that with propane or electricity you can heat and cool your home? And by the way they don't make your groceries in the back of the Food Lion, they get there by truck. And last but not least I am sure that you don't have any garbage in your house either. Go back to the hole you came from and go to your mailbox once a month and collect your check from OBAMA. AG Dillard and those businesses probably pay as much in taxes on one piece of equipment as you pay on your whole house. It is your mindset that has Fluvanna in the predicament that it is in today.
Concerned Troy Residents

Charlottesville, VA

#10 Aug 11, 2010
Outrage in Fluvanna wrote:
Just checking Concerned Troy residents. How many houses like yours were built with building supplies by a construction/builder so that with propane or electricity you can heat and cool your home? And by the way they don't make your groceries in the back of the Food Lion, they get there by truck. And last but not least I am sure that you don't have any garbage in your house either. Go back to the hole you came from and go to your mailbox once a month and collect your check from OBAMA. AG Dillard and those businesses probably pay as much in taxes on one piece of equipment as you pay on your whole house. It is your mindset that has Fluvanna in the predicament that it is in today.
Our house was built in 1994-1995 before we knew any of this mess was going to be approved by Fluvanna County and before the housing boom. If we would have known we certainly would have picked another area but we can't afford to now. I am sure you would be outraged too if these big, noisy, speeding vehicles drove by your house unnecessarily on a daily basis when they have another alternative route to use. We know this because we follow them to and from Charlottesville on a daily basis so they are not servicing our area. You probably don't live in the area so you have no clue as to what the people who live near or those who have to travel this road have to contend with on a daily basis. It is impossible to get out of the driveway during rush hour traffic in the mornings and evenings as it is. Plus, when a vehicle is going by you at 55+ miles per hour when you try to get your mail is scary especially so if you have to walk across Route 250 to get your mail. You also have to constantly look behind you before turning into your driveway to make sure nobody is going to pass you on a double solid line or not see you and rear end you. Adding anymore industrial blight will make matters even worse! We are concerned about safety in the area but nobody in Fluvanna cares because we are the minority population. Before this industrial blight was built we saw absolutely no trash trucks, contractor trucks, etc.... traveling on this road only residential. The only time we should be seeing trash trucks are the small ones for residential pick ups on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays, not big ones everyday traveling the roadway until 8:00 at night to and from other areas west of Zions. There is more trash along the road and buckling of the road as a result. I have lived in the area for 39 years. This is why I-64 at Zions Crossroads was built to take these heavy, loud, speeding, noisy vehicles off of Route 250 but they refuse to take I-64. The only exception is Van der Linde's vehicles. They listened to complaints and took action. They only utilize I-64 at Zions Crossroads. If these businesses cared about the people they reside near then they would be good neighbors and take I-64 at Zions. How would you like to hear these vehicles at 6:00 in the morning until 8:00 at night?! The Fluvanna County side of Zions Crossroads has no Food Lion only one country store. There is also no electric company near by. So we are not sure what these types of delivery trucks has to do with anything. We are not complaining about these types of vehicles that acutally would provide a service to us if we had them nearby. The electric company only travels the road when they have a service call and don't use it as a cut through rather than I-64 at Zions!
kidrocky

Winchester, VA

#11 Aug 11, 2010
But you will have a brand new 90 million dollar shrine on a highway the size of a cow path that has blind curves and low shoulders.
Concerned Troy Residents

Charlottesville, VA

#12 Aug 11, 2010
kidrocky wrote:
But you will have a brand new 90 million dollar shrine on a highway the size of a cow path that has blind curves and low shoulders.
That's Fluvanna County for you--poor planning!
Wake Up Troy

Ferrum, VA

#13 Aug 11, 2010
Concerned Troy Residents wrote:
<quoted text>
We couldn''t have put it better ourselves! It is too late to salvage the Zions Crossroads area, Fluvanna side, because it is full of industrial blight. Kind of funny that NBC 29 didn't explore the area further and actually take pictures of the blight on the Fluvanna side!? Who in their right mind would want to locate next to trash facilities, propane tanks, CAT Rentals, Better Living, AG Dillard, etc....?! All of this traffic goes on Route 250 West of Zions Crossroads to provide services outside of Fluvanna, and the businesses/customers don't utilize I-64 at Zions Crossroads (they are one mile from this exchange), and these businesses provide absolutely no services to those that reside in the area, no new jobs because most located from another area that didn't want them, very little tax revenue, road deterioriation, unsafe for school buses and residences using the road, etc.... Why should we as taxpayers pay for this water which will result in more for this blight!? The current BOS members aren't worried about it because it is not in their back yards. They have their own agendas period.
In your condemnation of "industrial blight" you seem to be forgetting that the good concerned residents of Troy are responsible for the type of development that has occurred in that area.

If you recall several years back, a developer wanted to create "Starlight Lanes", a bowling alley to provide recreation to Fluvanna with the hope that it would spur business and retail development on the Fluvanna side of the county line. Detailed, well thought out plans were made and submitted to the BOS, and old phone books will even show ads with the phone number.

Then the concerned residents of Troy fired up a huge nimby howl of protest, convincing the BOS that the beer license would attract nearby low income residents of the trailer park who would shamble over, get "likkered up" and go on crime and rape rampages throughout Fluvanna, that criminal gangs would descend on the bowling alley to gamble on the games, corrupting the innocent youth of Fluvanna, and that the alley would be a fueling stop for drunk drivers to begin a circuit of death, destruction and dismemberment. Under pressure from Troy's concerned residents, the BOS continued to delay permits for Starlight Lanes by requiring further plans to deal with the moral Armageddon Troy feared that bowling would unleash. After months of good faith attempts to work with the irrational community, the developer finally decided to quit losing money by attempting to be a good neighbor, and turned the prospective bowling alley into the Starlight Industrial Park.

At the time, the youth of Fluvanna were looking forward to finally have safe and affordable recreation within the county, and it looked like the bowling alley would provide the tipping point to bring family friendly retail growth to Fluvanna. One can only speculate how much further south that Zion Xroads retail might have developed had the Chicken Little nimbyism of the concerned residents of Troy not helped to cement the anti-business reputation of Fluvanna.

In short, Troy has exactly the type of community it asked for, and deserves. What really puzzles me about this anti-water sentiment is what type of "non-blight" developments the concened residents of Troy expect to flock to a county with two major rivers, yet no reliable water supply?
Vincent

United States

#14 Aug 11, 2010
"We don't have a lot of money, but we are not broke," she said. "I think we can come up with a creative solution with Louisa."

No, you are broke.

This water line is like Harold Melvin without the Blue Notes. It just isn't going to happen.
Concerned Troy Residents

Charlottesville, VA

#15 Aug 12, 2010
Wake Up Troy wrote:
<quoted text>
In your condemnation of "industrial blight" you seem to be forgetting that the good concerned residents of Troy are responsible for the type of development that has occurred in that area.
If you recall several years back, a developer wanted to create "Starlight Lanes", a bowling alley to provide recreation to Fluvanna with the hope that it would spur business and retail development on the Fluvanna side of the county line. Detailed, well thought out plans were made and submitted to the BOS, and old phone books will even show ads with the phone number.
Then the concerned residents of Troy fired up a huge nimby howl of protest, convincing the BOS that the beer license would attract nearby low income residents of the trailer park who would shamble over, get "likkered up" and go on crime and rape rampages throughout Fluvanna, that criminal gangs would descend on the bowling alley to gamble on the games, corrupting the innocent youth of Fluvanna, and that the alley would be a fueling stop for drunk drivers to begin a circuit of death, destruction and dismemberment yet no reliable water supply?.....
Did Fluvanna County officals ever offer to meet with residents in the area to find out what they wanted developed in the area and/or send letters out notifying them of the zoning change to industry? The answer is no! The notification letters only are sent to those who are in close proximinty to the re-zoning and guess who received the notifications--existing industrial businesses with property ownership addresses outside of Fluvanna! A lot of people in the area don't have computers and don't know what is going on in Fluvanna. This is exactly why we don't want the water supply because of continued industrial blight and the inability for Fluvanna County officials to bring in the right type of businesses. It sure would be nice to have a meeting place close by, a grocery store, doctor's office, etc... without having to travel to Louisa, Charlottesville, and beyond. Even creating a park would have been nice. It is impractical for us to take advantage of Pleasant Grove. Commerical businesses would create jobs, keep taxpayer money in the County in the form of sales tax, personal property taxes, and fill a void in goods and services in the area which is sorely needed and lacking. These are items that would benefit our end of the county and the entire county as well. We are closer to Charlottesville and have to travel there for most of our needs and employment. Thus, our hard earned money is going elsewhere. Walmart isn't cutting the mustard plus its in Louisa. Industrial blight is in the comprehensive plan for the area, and if you are familiar with the area, there are a lot of for sale signs with industrial zoning. We don't want more industrial blight in our end of the County. We can't trust the County to make the right development decisions; therefore, we are also opposed to the water supply plan for this reason. The final decision on the bowling alley was with the County. We have no control over their decision making process. That was the rare time that they actually listened to the majority of citizens. We had no prefernce one way or another concerning this business, at the time. Since the bowling alley decision new members of the Planning Commission staff, Board of Supervisors, and others have arrived and they don't ask for community input nor listen to citizens.
Vincent

United States

#16 Aug 12, 2010
What's good for business is good for Fluvanna.
Teresa

Troy, VA

#17 Aug 13, 2010
Mom2Finn wrote:
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The war for Zions Crossroads is over and Louisa won. To think Fluvanna can duplicate that by committing money for a pipeline we do not have is flawed. Once the real estate tax assessments are done to reflect current market values and all the debt comes on line for us to pay, Fluvanna will easily be at $.80+ per $100. Once all that happens, Fluvanna will no longer be a regional bargain. Why would any big business come to our side of county line when tax rates will equal Albemarle with none of the services or infrastructure available?
Um, well, isn't the whole point of the pipeline to provide the infrastructure??

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