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Cheryl Rogers: Students rightly looking to depart

There are 52 comments on the LivingstonDaily story from Oct 31, 2010, titled Cheryl Rogers: Students rightly looking to depart. In it, LivingstonDaily reports that:

A group of Livingston County high school students told representatives from the Livingston County Strategic Growth Initiative project that they plan to leave Livingston County and have no plans to return to live and work.

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JohnW

Alpena, MI

#1 Nov 10, 2010
The same thing should happen here. The schools are terrible and there is nothing in Atlanta for students to stay here for!

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#2 Nov 10, 2010
JohnW wrote:
The same thing should happen here. The schools are terrible and there is nothing in Atlanta for students to stay here for!
Do you have any suggestions for turning that around JohnW? How about a change of leadership in strategic local governmental positions. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the people who take $50,000.00 a year of your tax monies, actually earned that by creating new jobs and caring about you, your family and your neighbors? Perhaps if we, as a community, work together in building up, creating new, and making our community an inviting, healthy place to open a business (remember the Hemp Farm concept that was turned down?).....then that would be a beginning in giving our children/grandchildren a reason to stay. Do you believe that? I do. If your not already, get active in the community (COC, school board, Caring Place, etc). Change begins with one step forward in the right direction, and that sir......would be the right direction.
JohnW

Mio, MI

#3 Nov 11, 2010
I was on the board. This community doesn't want change or progress. They sent the best superintendent we ever had packing and now we have someone who calls herself the warden. Worst of all our prison is only open four days a week!
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Boyne City, MI

#4 Nov 13, 2010
JohnW wrote:
I was on the board. This community doesn't want change or progress. They sent the best superintendent we ever had packing and now we have someone who calls herself the warden. Worst of all our prison is only open four days a week!
The best Superintendent that I can remember retired around 1992. He aways had a balanced budget. Our staff was teaching and the students were learning. Our enrollment was over 600 and our kids excelled academically, musically and athletically. Remember Jim Wynes? The downfall began with Terry Deo and we are still picking up the pieces from the fallout.

The superintendent you are referring to was not sent packing by the community but by a few individuals who packed the board and rammed their agenda through. Some of it was even done by violating the Open Meetings Act. Sound familiar?
JohnW

Alpena, MI

#5 Nov 14, 2010
The Big Rock Church wants to make turn our school into a Christian School!
Case

Mesquite, NV

#6 Nov 14, 2010
JohnW wrote:
The Big Rock Church wants to make turn our school into a Christian School!
Why are they allowed to mix church and state? Why are they allowed to violate the Open Meetings Act? Ask the Prosecutor!
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Boyne City, MI

#7 Nov 16, 2010
JohnW wrote:
The Big Rock Church wants to make turn our school into a Christian School!
If that is what they wanted to do it wouldn't be nearly as bad as it sounds. We probably could use some good old fashioned education in our school. Remember, it is when prayer was taken out of the schools that it was the beginning of our crappy schools (everywhere), not just in Atlanta. We lost control of our schools when we could no longer teach right from wrong or hold the kids accountable for their actions. We lost the tool of discipline which is needed in the educational process.

The group you are talking about wanted nothing to do with a Christian school. Their mission was to get rid of the Superintendent, flat and simple. Since that was done we have two of those members who did not run for re-election.
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Boyne City, MI

#8 Nov 16, 2010
Case wrote:
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Why are they allowed to mix church and state? Why are they allowed to violate the Open Meetings Act? Ask the Prosecutor!
How are you mixing church and state? The OMA is no longer being violated.
JohnW

Alpena, MI

#9 Nov 16, 2010
Maybe they should get rid of the current one too. She is one mean beech! She kicked my neighbors little boy outta school and he's got disabilities!
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Boyne City, MI

#10 Nov 16, 2010
JohnW wrote:
Maybe they should get rid of the current one too. She is one mean beech! She kicked my neighbors little boy outta school and he's got disabilities!
I am sure she didn't kick the little boy out because he had disabilities. I am sure there was a valid reason, or would you just like to make the acusation?
JohnW

Alpena, MI

#11 Nov 17, 2010
He had behavior problems related to his disability. This was just not right! He was 6 years old for cripes sake!
Gail

Alpena, MI

#12 Nov 19, 2010
I agree this whole "warden" thing is getting old. It is a school not a prison. Treating the kids like inmates is demeaning and dehumanizing. Thank God my youngest graduates this year. I feel bad for the rest of the kids!
Bert

Alpena, MI

#13 Nov 21, 2010
My daughter moved her kids to Joberg last year and they are excelling. Best decision she ever made!
Martha

Mio, MI

#14 Nov 30, 2010
How can I get my kids into another school? They are getting teased and bullied and nobody seems to care. I love Atlanta but my kids come first!
Alex G

Allen Park, MI

#15 Dec 2, 2010
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If that is what they wanted to do it wouldn't be nearly as bad as it sounds. We probably could use some good old fashioned education in our school. Remember, it is when prayer was taken out of the schools that it was the beginning of our crappy schools (everywhere), not just in Atlanta. We lost control of our schools when we could no longer teach right from wrong or hold the kids accountable for their actions. We lost the tool of discipline which is needed in the educational process.
The group you are talking about wanted nothing to do with a Christian school. Their mission was to get rid of the Superintendent, flat and simple. Since that was done we have two of those members who did not run for re-election.
Is this prayer in school going to be of christian faith? Will this new program of religion based teaching going to require parents to align with the schools faith? I would also like to know the schools religious answer to other faiths asking for equal opportunity to gain alliances in the community? Im also confused as to which tools christianity provides that 21st century psychology does not?
You should be careful what you wish for. They've been trying a faith based to education in other nations to severely detrimental results.
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Boyne City, MI

#16 Dec 4, 2010
Alex G wrote:
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Is this prayer in school going to be of christian faith? Will this new program of religion based teaching going to require parents to align with the schools faith? I would also like to know the schools religious answer to other faiths asking for equal opportunity to gain alliances in the community? Im also confused as to which tools christianity provides that 21st century psychology does not?
You should be careful what you wish for. They've been trying a faith based to education in other nations to severely detrimental results.
The trouble with reading some of these posts is that they are full of BS. There is no prayer in the school unless it is initiated by the students. The prayer could be Christian, Hebrew, Buddist or any other religion. You talk about equal oportunity of the faiths, but it seems that the only religion that can be removed from the face of the earth without the libs screaming is Christianity. My previous post was just a comment that our educational system seemed to be a lot better before the Supreme Court removed prayer from the schools because of the wishes of an atheist (which is also a religion). So now we have to practice atheism in school, but I guess you think that is OK.
Alex G

Allen Park, MI

#17 Dec 4, 2010
I think an educational approach based on verifiable science and recorded historical fact to be whats taught. I do not want any religion at all in the schools. Church is the place for prayer groups irregardless of faith. If the only option a community has for an educational institution is one provided by a religious group, then no public monies should go to the institution in question. I view all religion as false and deceiving, not just christianity.I at no time projected any image as to a possible faith in my post, so please do not attempt to ascribe one to me.

I do not wish to turn my posts into name calling or practices in word twisting. Now only those with deep roots in the community would know of my families falling out with Big Rock Church and its table of elders. I despite the history involved only wish to state the obvious here. By saying a church has no relevant place in a school preparing young people for the twenty first century. It is also completely inappropriate for church elders to have any decision making relevance on issues regarding a public school.
I only bring the issue of Big Rock in my post because their are several posts strung throughout the Topic issues regarding Atlanta schools being unduly influenced by members of church councils. Albeit that it is not completely impossible to have community minded people involved in both church and school because of limited numbers of qualified individuals. It still creates an unavoidable dilemma for those involved in both. Most would believe faith based decisions would preclude civic minded decisions.
One more quick thing in response to an earlier post about the great Jim Wines and his staff. It was his counselor Al Poag who told me I had no future in anything. His teacher Mr Weiss that fought successfully to keep me out of an Essex offered job that could have given me a future. I worked my way to the honor role once just to show my capabilities. Jim Wines and his staff stonewalled me. Im sure had I gone to a more encouraging school my life (in all probability the lives of many more) would have turned out much differently.
Alex G

Allen Park, MI

#18 Dec 4, 2010
Before you get excited about a miss-spelled name, spellcheck attributed the spelling of Wynes.
Jessica

Alpena, MI

#19 Dec 6, 2010
When you have district being run by a particular church (Big Rock), what do you expect?
Alex G

Allen Park, MI

#20 Dec 7, 2010
Just a stoker for the flames. Once again the United States ranks with third world countries in student test scoring. Almost all asian nations and some south american nations, most european nations,all higher. Our students ranked 25th in math and science skills. Kids living in grass huts in China read better than your kid in that great four bedroom brick ranch.

Maybe they just didn't take into account that poor kids in inner cities dont get the advantages that rich kids in suburban and rural areas get. Maybe they didn't drop the learning curve scale down low enough to account for poor american inner city kids. Perhaps we didnt lobby enough to get them to lower the bar more. So we can compete in an emerging global economy. But then again, with legislators continually dropping funding from schools, maybe we really dont care.

I guess in the end what it means is that the lesser educated american companies wont be involved in global projects, but smaller local jobs. Our children wont be asked by companies with world wide interests to go over seas and represent them. They will get "in country people".It does ( the lower educational standards) make it easier to objectify lower paying service jobs to emerge. Perhaps some day we may all be performing rewarding service jobs for Indian, Taiwanese, Chinese, and Brazilian peoples. It doesnt take much I.Q. to ask if "would you like chili on them fries", does it.

How important is the education of your children really? Do you even spend an hour a week going over your child's lessons? If your wondering why your children leave the area in such numbers, look at how many compelling, and gratifying service opportunities are offered there. What are your children being taught that makes them want to run in such numbers? Perhaps the people doing the teaching are part of the problem. Then ask ourselves does the old testament or King James version have the educational answers for a complex and ever growing global 21st century world.They are your kids!

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