Recall challenge expected to go to Su...

Recall challenge expected to go to Supreme Court

There are 35 comments on the Ruidoso News story from Aug 22, 2012, titled Recall challenge expected to go to Supreme Court. In it, Ruidoso News reports that:

A challenge to a recall election that targets two members of the Ruidoso Municipal School District Board is expected to head to the New Mexico Supreme Court.

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Reality

Ruidoso, NM

#1 Aug 22, 2012
Why the big stink. If enough people do not want them out, the recall election will fail. Seems like they are afraid to let the people speak.
Ruidoso Resident

Alto, NM

#2 Aug 22, 2012
It is a sad day when grown-up people cannot get along and a higher court has to be make a ruling. If, you are to be a leader---grow up for goodness sakes. We elected these people on the school board who volunteer their time. The school board is not a popularity contest! Leaders are to lay down their egos and their agendas! Do you not think the student body is listening and watching? What influence are you projecting on the youth? Let's get real people what you sow you reap!
RuiRes

Ruidoso, NM

#3 Aug 22, 2012
The people spoke and elected the current school board. The recall election should never have been granted.
RuiRes

Ruidoso, NM

#4 Aug 22, 2012
Can someone provide a list of names that are associated with the "Support Our Schools" organization? They are going to cost the taxpayer at least $8000 for this insane recall.
Just saying

Ruidoso, NM

#5 Aug 22, 2012
But we also have to remember that people were not forced to sign the recall petitions. The whole thing is a mess.
Interesting

United States

#6 Aug 22, 2012
Just saying wrote:
But we also have to remember that people were not forced to sign the recall petitions. The whole thing is a mess.
Those who told me they signed stated they did not want to offend the friend asking for signatures. Teachers stated they did not want to say no to the other board members. However, they all say they will not vote for the recall. Thank goodness ballots are still private. Guess they don't mind the extra costs as long as it saves them discomfort.
All this extra time and money spent when there is a regular election in a few months is ridiculous. I wonder what is the real agenda.
Wow

Los Angeles, CA

#7 Aug 22, 2012
I heard it was more people saying they wouldn't sign for fear of retaliation from the two members being recalled, yet they said they would vote in favor of the recall. So you are right, thank goodness it is anonymous!
The Names

Ruidoso, NM

#8 Aug 22, 2012
RuiRes wrote:
Can someone provide a list of names that are associated with the "Support Our Schools" organization? They are going to cost the taxpayer at least $8000 for this insane recall.
There are two members of this fine organization. Vincent and Gladden.
the riddler

Alto, NM

#9 Aug 22, 2012
Listen Ruidoso School Board, you're just like the congressmen akin. you need to bow out gracefully. The condition of our schools is treacherous. It's time to change the old guard. Thank them for their service, give them a nice pen and send them on their way. You do know which three I speak of?
Just Wondering

Avon, CT

#10 Aug 23, 2012
I read with curiosity all the posts about the Ruidoso Schools and the mess they appear to be in. Does the history of the district have anything to do with where it is at today. Let's see, how many superintendents has held the office for any length of time since Mr. Gladden stepped down in 2000? There was Gladden, Wickstrom, Wirth, Harrison, Wirth,and now Harris. And, did the latest, Bea Harris, even have any superintendent experience when she was hired? Had she ever held that position in any other district to know what the job entailed, for example budget, personnel, instructional leadership? Or could the board just not find anyone for the job since the history of the district, with respect to revloving door supers, was not that appealing to anyone? Did the most recent past board have to save face by trying to support Harris? What does her record reflect as leading the district and being finacially responsible for taxpayer's money. What is the moral of the teachers and other staff members like under her rule? What does her record of hiring and firing reflect? Seems like the district has lost some great people bith as a result of her letting some go or others deciding they wanted something better. Has anyone contacted past employees to get an idea of their "take" on the situation.
And what about board members, let's see, in the past 10-12 years haven't there been several changes there too? Sisson, Beatty, Taylor, Paxton, Hemphill, Lutterman, Sayner, and Salas have all set in board seats and have been instrumental in the decisions of the district. What ever happened to cause Sisson to exit the board like he did a few years back? What kind of consistency in leadership and expectations can be developed when a district goes through administration like Ruidoso does?
I know this topic was about the recall, but what lead it to this point in the beginning? Maybe the parents or community business leaders, whose livelihood rests on continued good imagery with potential people looking to move to Ruidoso, will get more involved and seek answers to some of these or other questions regarding the district.
The school district is just one of many areas that need some "remodeling" in order to make Ruidoso an attractive place to reside. Again, just wondering.
they where the problem

Lubbock, TX

#11 Aug 23, 2012
Sisson, Paxton, Hemphill, Lutterman, & Sayner are some of the ones backing the recall. These clowns think they are the Ruidoso power brokers. If so boys, look how bad you have screwed up things in our town. Thanks for nothing.

Their poor decisions are part of the reasons the RMSD is in such bad shape now, especially Franklin & Susie. They help run the schools into the ground & when they were voted out they gave the Supt an extended contract knowing full well Harris had too many issues to get a contract extension of any kind.

They can't stand that they are not in charge no matter how bad a job they did while in office themselves. Now they are trying to change the results of a fair election.
Correction

Ruidoso, NM

#12 Aug 23, 2012
the riddler wrote:
Listen Ruidoso School Board, you're just like the congressmen akin. you need to bow out gracefully. The condition of our schools is treacherous. It's time to change the old guard. Thank them for their service, give them a nice pen and send them on their way. You do know which three I speak of?
The three you speak of are NOT the old gaurd. They are the newest gaurd on the board and they were not present during the demise of our school district.
The old gaurd (RV and TG) are asking for the recall of the new gaurd but yet it is was the old gaurd that ran the school district into the ground to the extent that it is now one of the worst in the state, graded with D's and F's.
Why can people not look at this simple fact and make a simple conclusion about how we must initiate change?
Wondering too

United States

#13 Aug 23, 2012
they where the problem wrote:
Sisson, Paxton, Hemphill, Lutterman, & Sayner are some of the ones backing the recall. These clowns think they are the Ruidoso power brokers. If so boys, look how bad you have screwed up things in our town. Thanks for nothing.
Their poor decisions are part of the reasons the RMSD is in such bad shape now, especially Franklin & Susie. They help run the schools into the ground & when they were voted out they gave the Supt an extended contract knowing full well Harris had too many issues to get a contract extension of any kind.
They can't stand that they are not in charge no matter how bad a job they did while in office themselves. Now they are trying to change the results of a fair election.
Just out of curiosity, how many of those listed above have a college degree?
Ruidoso Resident

Alto, NM

#14 Aug 23, 2012
Correction wrote:
<quoted text>
The three you speak of are NOT the old gaurd. They are the newest gaurd on the board and they were not present during the demise of our school district.
The old gaurd (RV and TG) are asking for the recall of the new gaurd but yet it is was the old gaurd that ran the school district into the ground to the extent that it is now one of the worst in the state, graded with D's and F's.
Why can people not look at this simple fact and make a simple onclusion about how we must initiate change?

Change is exactly what Ruidoso does not want. Why? Because, when new people come in it replaces them and now they have "no power' to manipulate and control to keep everything "status quo". The controlling "elite" don't know what do with new ideas, thinking out of the box, letting younger, smarter, and visionaries make any changes or discussion of new ideas. I'm tired of people telling me I live here and moved here to get away from "big city ideas" I like the way things are. Get a clue people . It's shameful for all the scuttlebut, wheeling and dealing, secrets, and lying that goes on in this town. Leaders are to be an exemplary example for the next generation. What ever happened to a "spirit of excellence"? It's time to grow up and put your big panties on and quit acting like spoiled brats! AMEN!
Just Wondering

Avon, CT

#15 Aug 23, 2012
I think Ruidoso Resident may be on to something. Funny thing, when I moved to Ruidoso I was told, or let's say it was suggested to me, that I should go to church at this place, buy insurance at this place, and support a few certain businesses. Here I go wondering again, does this happen to others or just those who may become potential players in the game of Ruidoso Monopoly? Does the old saying of, "who you know" or the "good ol' boy network" ring a bell? If you talk to enough good folks out there, you find out that to be accepted in the town, you either had to be born there, be relatives of someone born there, or be of a successful stature to pay to play, sorta speak. Is this really the way it is? On the other hand, there are truly some of the finest individuals I have ever met residing in the Ruidoso community, many I look up to and respect dearly. There are many who have managed to make Ruidoso their home and final resting place without having to deal wih the politics or apparently not letting it affect them. One business person recently told me that at one time the school motto was, "Where Excellence is Expected", he then made a comment based on his personal observations that excellence might be expected, it was just not mandatory. It would be a great thing to see a school board working together for the benefit of the children and the district. Is that not their purpose? Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the norm, neither in Ruidoso or across the state of NM. Do I have an answer? No, but I do know if you keep doing what you have always done, you are going to keep getting the same results. Recall or no recall, look at all the board members' performances and the superintendent's. Be ready to affect change, for your children's and the teachers' welfare and the community's as well.

“ My body is your temple”

Since: Dec 09

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#16 Aug 24, 2012
The old guard needs to get gone.
The new members are on point. Extinguish the old farts who do nothing but exchange favors. We don't need more suits on the school board, we need real working class people. We need parents with children in schools. We need parents who'se children experience real consequences when they make mistakes, not parents who shelter their children from repercussions and dare to sit in judgment of others. Those no longer holding elected positions need to permanently sidelined or redirected to another cause. This is example 183 of abuse of power, racketeering, corruption and criminal conspiracy. Who's going to pick up this tab? They need to start paying down the damage from the White Fire and stop trying to cost the taxpayers of Ruidoso more money while failing to deliver any services AT ALL to the normal citizens of Ruidoso, which includes the school teachers that have been neglected. Shame, shame, shame.
Scores Smores

Biloxi, MS

#17 Aug 24, 2012
Everyone knows that the new system is bunk.The problem is that the kids are not really tested on what they are taught( here in NM).In other states the kids are taught to the testing,so they look better, even if they are not better in relation to the other states.I have to wonder why anyone would come here to Ruidoso and be treated this way.If I had a high level of Education I would not want to destroy my carer by working in Ruidoso.I also notice that evey year the schools are expected to do the impossible then when it doesn`t work they want to fire someone .It is unfair and I hope it will change.!
Parent

Ruidoso, NM

#18 Aug 24, 2012
Scores Smores wrote:
Everyone knows that the new system is bunk.The problem is that the kids are not really tested on what they are taught( here in NM).In other states the kids are taught to the testing,so they look better, even if they are not better in relation to the other states.I have to wonder why anyone would come here to Ruidoso and be treated this way.If I had a high level of Education I would not want to destroy my carer by working in Ruidoso.I also notice that evey year the schools are expected to do the impossible then when it doesn`t work they want to fire someone .It is unfair and I hope it will change.!
If NM schools do not compete with schools in other states due to what you refer to as a "bunk" scoring system (which is complete BS), then the Ruidoso schools are at the bottom of the bottom since they rank at the bottom of all schools in NM, and the NM schools, according to your analysis, rank behind other schools in the nation (because of a “bunk” scoring system). The Ruidoso school district just sent out a flyer to all parents that have children in the Ruidoso schools...its says, and I quote "our teaching staff has one of the highest ratings for training and experience in the entire state". If this is the case, and I BELIEVE IT IS, it is inevitable that the chief administrators and the old guard on the school board will be blamed for a lack of leadership and/or motivation of these fine teachers. If we have the finest teachers and administrators in the state, and we are still receiving failing marks (even when compared to other NM schools), by your analysis I am left to conclude that we must have assembled a collection of the dumbest kids in the nation here in Ruidoso. And based on your comments, I must also conclude that apparently we have also assembled in Ruidoso the dumbest parents in the nation. Stop blaming a “bunk” scoring system for our problems. Have you ever read anything about how schools in the intra-city of Chicago, the poorest of the poorest, have improved dramatically, almost overnight, simply by a change in administration and influx of new dynamic thinking? The schhol superintendent and school board must work in harmony to produce such results, a concept that is lacking here in Ruidoso.
Scores Smores

Biloxi, MS

#19 Aug 25, 2012
To Parent I am not buying what you are trying to sell. I really think that NM has no clout with the major textbook makers in that only Texas,NY,and CA have books that are geared to them and all the other states have to suffer .It IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! end of story.If NM could have the money to have books made for them and then test to those standards NM would look alot better.I really think you are being unfair to these people.
School Mom

Ruidoso, NM

#20 Aug 25, 2012
Scores Smores wrote:
To Parent I am not buying what you are trying to sell. I really think that NM has no clout with the major textbook makers in that only Texas,NY,and CA have books that are geared to them and all the other states have to suffer .It IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! end of story.If NM could have the money to have books made for them and then test to those standards NM would look alot better.I really think you are being unfair to these people.
So our only problem here is we are using the wrong text books? Really? That should be easy to fix.

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