Woman right to sue over gun permit

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Kudos to Meleanie Hain for suing the Lebanon County sheriff concerning the revocation of her gun permit.
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Mike Pelepko

AOL

#1 Nov 24, 2008
Amendment 2: "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Kudos to Jackson Miller of Mount Joy for supporting "Meleanie" Hain's right to openly carry her gun to her child's soccer game; maybe the two of them will get their silly behinds to Harrisburg because "The British are coming! The British are coming!"

Where's the hell's "a well-regulated militia" when "WE THE PEOPLE" need one?

Lisa Simpson: "The Second Amendment belongs to another era."

Personally, I long for a return to that era when Wyatt Earp and others forced the "nuts" to check their guns before they were allowed entry into Lebanon --- oops, I meant Dodge.
Clayton J

Lancaster, PA

#2 Nov 24, 2008
Mike Pelepko wrote:
Amendment 2: "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Kudos to Jackson Miller of Mount Joy for supporting "Meleanie" Hain's right to openly carry her gun to her child's soccer game; maybe the two of them will get their silly behinds to Harrisburg because "The British are coming! The British are coming!"

Where's the hell's "a well-regulated militia" when "WE THE PEOPLE" need one?
Lisa Simpson: "The Second Amendment belongs to another era."
Personally, I long for a return to that era when Wyatt Earp and others forced the "nuts" to check their guns before they were allowed entry into Lebanon --- oops, I meant Dodge.
Man, you're coming loose at the seams!

Don't like the 2nd Amendment? That's peachy. Change it. Going through the legal process and have an amendment drafted to repeal the 2nd Amendment. I'm sure there are plenty of firearm-phobes out there to join you.

Otherwise, stop your b!tchin'!
Mike Pelepko

AOL

#3 Nov 24, 2008
Hey Clayton J:

The difference tween thou and me is in our individual reading of the United States Constitution; I read no personal interpretation into those sacred words; honestly, I have no problem with the Second Amendment; it's so-called "second amendment rights" that are the figment of their imaginations for gun-nuts.

What did Lisa Simpson say to her "silly" of Dad Homer?
Clayton J

Lancaster, PA

#4 Nov 24, 2008
Mike Pelepko wrote:
Hey Clayton J:
The difference tween thou and me is in our individual reading of the United States Constitution; I read no personal interpretation into those sacred words; honestly, I have no problem with the Second Amendment; it's so-called "second amendment rights" that are the figment of their imaginations for gun-nuts.
What did Lisa Simpson say to her "silly" of Dad Homer?
And therein lies the problem: the Constitution was never intended to be read on a subjective basis - there are no "my interpretations" and "your interpretations". The Constitution was drafted and written in a manner that people could read it and understand it based upon what it actually says.

In fact, Madison went so far as to say that if you can't understand the common language of the Constitution and need further understanding, then you should go back to the people who approved it and find out from them what they meant by the language.

Simply put, the Founder's intended the 2nd Amendment to protect individual rights, and the Constitution was intended to limit the scope of government, not limit the rights of the people or the states.
Mike Pelepko

AOL

#6 Nov 24, 2008
Clayton J wrote:
<quoted text>
And therein lies the problem: the Constitution was never intended to be read on a subjective basis - there are no "my interpretations" and "your interpretations". The Constitution was drafted and written in a manner that people could read it and understand it based upon what it actually says.
In fact, Madison went so far as to say that if you can't understand the common language of the Constitution and need further understanding, then you should go back to the people who approved it and find out from them what they meant by the language.
Simply put, the Founder's intended the 2nd Amendment to protect individual rights, and the Constitution was intended to limit the scope of government, not limit the rights of the people or the states.
Like I said Clayton, my now-all-too-familiar buddy: "The British are coming! The British are coming!" --- So where in the name of Hell is our "State" and its "well-regulated militia" to protect our butts?

The words are the words man; I didn't make them up and by the way --- it's the so-called "gun nuts" who've read into those sacred words.

Bart Simpson: "Eat my shorts!"
Boomer215

Irvington, NJ

#7 Nov 24, 2008
Mike Pelepko wrote:
Amendment 2: "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Kudos to Jackson Miller of Mount Joy for supporting "Meleanie" Hain's right to openly carry her gun to her child's soccer game; maybe the two of them will get their silly behinds to Harrisburg because "The British are coming! The British are coming!"
Where's the hell's "a well-regulated militia" when "WE THE PEOPLE" need one?
Lisa Simpson: "The Second Amendment belongs to another era."
Personally, I long for a return to that era when Wyatt Earp and others forced the "nuts" to check their guns before they were allowed entry into Lebanon --- oops, I meant Dodge.
What are you moaning about now?
Boomer215

Irvington, NJ

#8 Nov 24, 2008
Mike Pelepko wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said Clayton, my now-all-too-familiar buddy: "The British are coming! The British are coming!" --- So where in the name of Hell is our "State" and its "well-regulated militia" to protect our butts?
The words are the words man; I didn't make them up and by the way --- it's the so-called "gun nuts" who've read into those sacred words.
Bart Simpson: "Eat my shorts!"
The militia of Pennsylvania is all around you.

Constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
Article 1,
Section 21-
ARTICLE 1, SEC. 21
"The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned."

So quit your bitchen.
Robert Ries

Tucson, AZ

#14 Nov 24, 2008
Re: Mike Pelepko
'Lisa Simpson: "The Second Amendment belongs to another era."'

Seriously? Quoting a fictional cartoon character? That pretty well lets us know that you are "conversing" out of your rectum. Was the on-line cheat degree in Socratic logic too much for you to handle? If you anti's don't stop using panic, emotion and vitriol in place of reason and fact, I'm going to insist that you be licenced and regulated for your abuse of the First Amendment. The Second clearly reads "the right of the people", and the militia, under current U.S. Code, is everyone. Look it up.

P.S. Will the zoo-keeper please stop letting the moon-bats feed and breed?! Sheesh...
Silly You

San Leandro, CA

#15 Nov 24, 2008
Clayton J wrote:
<quoted text>
And therein lies the problem: the Constitution was never intended to be read on a subjective basis - there are no "my interpretations" and "your interpretations". The Constitution was drafted and written in a manner that people could read it and understand it based upon what it actually says.
In fact, Madison went so far as to say that if you can't understand the common language of the Constitution and need further understanding, then you should go back to the people who approved it and find out from them what they meant by the language.
Simply put, the Founder's intended the 2nd Amendment to protect individual rights, and the Constitution was intended to limit the scope of government, not limit the rights of the people or the states.
If the Constitution is not subject to "interpretation" then what is it the Supreme Court does all the time?
Old Timer

San Leandro, CA

#16 Nov 24, 2008
Clayton J wrote:
<quoted text>
Man, you're coming loose at the seams!
Don't like the 2nd Amendment? That's peachy. Change it. Going through the legal process and have an amendment drafted to repeal the 2nd Amendment. I'm sure there are plenty of firearm-phobes out there to join you.
Otherwise, stop your b!tchin'!
It's not something a citizen can do. A constitutional convention needs to be called.
Mike Pelepko

AOL

#17 Nov 25, 2008
Robert Ries wrote:
Re: Mike Pelepko
'Lisa Simpson: "The Second Amendment belongs to another era."'
Seriously? Quoting a fictional cartoon character? That pretty well lets us know that you are "conversing" out of your rectum. Was the on-line cheat degree in Socratic logic too much for you to handle? If you anti's don't stop using panic, emotion and vitriol in place of reason and fact, I'm going to insist that you be licenced and regulated for your abuse of the First Amendment. The Second clearly reads "the right of the people", and the militia, under current U.S. Code, is everyone. Look it up.
P.S. Will the zoo-keeper please stop letting the moon-bats feed and breed?! Sheesh...
Dearest Robert Ries: Do you need a hug or what?

O well, you're too far away out there in Arizona --- and so I'll jest give ye da facts man, da truth, kin ya hadle it?

(1.) "U.S. Code" --- your rectum is bleedin' you silly boy you! So, Robert my friend, jest win is you'll and year militias gonna goin' ta Washin'ton an' straighten tings out?

(2.) "Fictional cartoon characters" can be a metaphor, ya knows watts I meen, Bubba, oops Bobby, like maybe, jest mite bee dat Lisa's representin' da voice of reason to her Daddy Homer's "gun nut" tinkin'--- maybe, maybe not?

(3.) By da way, I'm not anti-gun nor anti-anyting, but I knows dat da Sickent amindmint was 'bout defendin' da stolen territories 'gainst a standin' British force and their hired "soldiers of fortune" --- dose Germin fellas dat da King George III sint over cuz his own didn't want ta fight wit their kissin' cuzins.

(4.) Ye're in way over year "Robert Ries" my friend --- way over!

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

Since: Dec 06

Phoenix, AZ.

#19 Nov 25, 2008
Mike Pelepko wrote:
<quoted text>
Dearest Robert Ries: Do you need a hug or what?
O well, you're too far away out there in Arizona --- and so I'll jest give ye da facts man, da truth, kin ya hadle it?
(1.) "U.S. Code" --- your rectum is bleedin' you silly boy you! So, Robert my friend, jest win is you'll and year militias gonna goin' ta Washin'ton an' straighten tings out?
(2.) "Fictional cartoon characters" can be a metaphor, ya knows watts I meen, Bubba, oops Bobby, like maybe, jest mite bee dat Lisa's representin' da voice of reason to her Daddy Homer's "gun nut" tinkin'--- maybe, maybe not?
(3.) By da way, I'm not anti-gun nor anti-anyting, but I knows dat da Sickent amindmint was 'bout defendin' da stolen territories 'gainst a standin' British force and their hired "soldiers of fortune" --- dose Germin fellas dat da King George III sint over cuz his own didn't want ta fight wit their kissin' cuzins.
(4.) Ye're in way over year "Robert Ries" my friend --- way over!
You are a certifiable ignoramus. One that wouldn't know the "truth" if it came up and smacked you on that empty little head of yours.
No pity here

Wrightsville, PA

#21 Nov 25, 2008
She never had her right to bear arms taken away, just her right to carry concealed. Her second ammendment rights were never violated.
If the sheriff acted in "good faith" he can't be sued.
HE had the right to revoke her carry permit, SHE had the right to appeal.
The case is closed.
Boomer215

Irvington, NJ

#22 Nov 25, 2008
No pity here wrote:
She never had her right to bear arms taken away, just her right to carry concealed. Her second ammendment rights were never violated.
If the sheriff acted in "good faith" he can't be sued.
HE had the right to revoke her carry permit, SHE had the right to appeal.
The case is closed.
The sheriff acted in good faith?
Good faith of what?
What law did she violate that would disqualify her from having a CCW.

“Shall NOT be infringed.”

Since: Dec 06

Phoenix, AZ.

#23 Nov 25, 2008
No pity here wrote:
She never had her right to bear arms taken away, just her right to carry concealed. Her second ammendment rights were never violated.
If the sheriff acted in "good faith" he can't be sued.
HE had the right to revoke her carry permit, SHE had the right to appeal.
The case is closed.
WRONG. "The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall NOT be infringed". The 'sheriff' has NO Constitutional authority to say, WHO, HOW, WHEN or WHERE We The People can Keep and Bear Arms. In FACT, the tyrannical usurping sheriff is EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN from interfering with the Right in ANY fashion.
No pity here

Wrightsville, PA

#24 Nov 25, 2008
You don't have to violate a law to have a permit revoked. And yes the sheriff DOES have the right to say who can and cannot get a carry permit. The sheriff is the controlling body to issue and revoke permits. And I say again- She never had her right to own and carry a weapon infringed upon. Just her right to carry concealed. She can own and carry openly all she wants without a permit.

Since: Dec 06

Richmond, Canada

#25 Nov 25, 2008
No pity here wrote:
You don't have to violate a law to have a permit revoked. And yes the sheriff DOES have the right to say who can and cannot get a carry permit. The sheriff is the controlling body to issue and revoke permits. And I say again- She never had her right to own and carry a weapon infringed upon. Just her right to carry concealed. She can own and carry openly all she wants without a permit.
In your unfettered haste to blindly support the totalitarians in law enforcement, maybe you should actually read the lawsuit/complaint first?

The real issue is her denial of due process. to wit:

1) some civilian complained because they got scared of someone exercising a US constitutional right as well as a state right to carry a firearm.

2) Said person, with the aid of a former unelected judge, wrote a letter to the sheriff.

3) sheriff talked with complaining citizen and former judge, but not Miss Hain.

4) based upon the preponderance of ignorance in the mind of said sheriff, revoked her license to carry a firearm without any due process of investigation of said complaint to determine the character of Ms Hain, of which needs to be good moral character for issuance of license.

5)sheriff officially revokes Ms Hains LTCF in spite of no violations of law.

You don't see any rights violations there?
Boomer215

Irvington, NJ

#26 Nov 25, 2008
No pity here wrote:
You don't have to violate a law to have a permit revoked. And yes the sheriff DOES have the right to say who can and cannot get a carry permit. The sheriff is the controlling body to issue and revoke permits. And I say again- She never had her right to own and carry a weapon infringed upon. Just her right to carry concealed. She can own and carry openly all she wants without a permit.
Pa.is a 'Shall issue' State. If a person meets the requirements to recieve a CCW the County Sheriff must issue, he doesn't have the power to not issue based soley on his personal opinion.
So while he may have the power to revoke a permit, he was wrong to do so based soley on his personal opinion.

So again, what law did she break that justified the revocation of the permit?


Boomer215

Irvington, NJ

#27 Nov 25, 2008
And a common sense aspect of this issue is that Pennsylvania has about 600,000 carry permits issued.
Law enforcement would much rather people carry concealed, not open.
The Sheriff's action seems counter productive.

The reason State law requires 'Shall Issue' is to preempt local officials from making arbitrary decisions as to issuing permits.
Juror8

Lehighton, PA

#29 Nov 25, 2008
So...let me get this straight:

1. Idiot with the correct permits carries a gun to a kid's soccer game.

2. Sherriff gets upset

3. Idiot gets the right back to carry her precious gun to any children's event in the state.

4. Idiot sues. Why?

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

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