Welfare reforms move forward

Welfare reforms move forward

There are 16 comments on the Lebanon Daily News story from May 5, 2011, titled Welfare reforms move forward. In it, Lebanon Daily News reports that:

A package of welfare reform bills being pushed by Rep. Mauree Gingrich is moving forward in the Pennsylvania House of Representatives.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Lebanon Daily News.

Crap

Harrisburg, PA

#1 May 5, 2011
Wow. Who does she plan on paying to implement these new reforms? That's going to be very expensive. The county assistance offices are already underfunded. You can't properly implement any of these things without more cash and staff. Nice try Gingrich.

Sounds great but it will never happen because you refuse to give the assistance office the resources to make it happen.
Bada Bing

United States

#2 May 5, 2011
I think they should follow the same guidelines for disability benefits.

Too many people are abusing it and using it like welfare. Where I work I see it happening a lot!
Funky Tut

Williamstown, PA

#3 May 5, 2011
Let's make this happen. I don't care if I have to pay a little more in tax to pay a staff for this. It is worth it to me to see the bums get cut off and be forced to get a damn job.
Hershey

Europe

#4 May 5, 2011
There should be time limits just like unemployment. Wellfare shouldn't be a life style.
Crap

Harrisburg, PA

#5 May 5, 2011
Hershey wrote:
There should be time limits just like unemployment. Wellfare shouldn't be a life style.
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The problem is you guys never discuss what part of welfare you are talking about. There are many programs that do have limits. For example I believe TANF has a 5 year cumulative limit. Once you reach 5 years you're finished for life.

Cash assistance is only issued to those who have a permanent or temporary disability. It's also given to those who are unemployed with children. however most times that parent must participate in welfare to work or other programs to continue eligibility for cash assistance. They must also apply for child support. Once a job or child support is obtained cash assistance is terminated.

You should all head over to the DPW website and educate yourselves on the programs. You can't complain about "welfare" without specifying the program you are talking about. There are many different programs with various eligibility criteria and or limits.
i guess

Lancaster, PA

#6 May 5, 2011
You morons are really falling for this Republican right wing kool aid. Gingrich and her Republican cohorts will vote for a Corbett budget that increases welfare payouts by over $600 million dollars over last years budget and they tell you they are saving you money.

You people are being played like fools by these local politicans.

Overall, the state Welfare Department will get more money in fiscal 2011-12 than it did this year:$11.2 billion (entirely in state funds) in the year starting July 1 compared to $10.6 billion (in combined state and federal Medicaid money) this year.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11068/1130621-...
i guess

Lancaster, PA

#7 May 5, 2011
Crap wrote:
Wow. Who does she plan on paying to implement these new reforms? That's going to be very expensive. The county assistance offices are already underfunded. You can't properly implement any of these things without more cash and staff. Nice try Gingrich.
Sounds great but it will never happen because you refuse to give the assistance office the resources to make it happen.
Corbett budgeted another $600 million dollars to welfare over last years budget and Folmer, Gingrich and Swanger will vote for that increase.

Yet they tell you they are reforming the system. It's a total joke.
yea ok

Lancaster, PA

#8 May 5, 2011
Funky Tut wrote:
Let's make this happen. I don't care if I have to pay a little more in tax to pay a staff for this. It is worth it to me to see the bums get cut off and be forced to get a damn job.
Corbett didn't increase Pennsylvania welfare budget by another $600 million dollars to throw people out of the system. It may help you sleep at night, but it won't save you a dime on taxes.
yea ok

Lebanon, PA

#9 May 5, 2011
I worked in the welfare reform system for many years....and Crap you are incorrect in your statement regarding TANF and its 5 year "rule". Yes it is the way the "law" is stated, but not enforced, especially in Lebanon Co !!! And there are many welfare to work programs available...do they work, NO !! For those who really want to do something with their lives its a wonderful opportunity...but for those who choose to use welfare as a way of life, they find their ways to continually "get around" the system...therefore dont "need" to participate in those programs, sure they are sanctioned for 30 days from cash assistance..but right back on after that...and a second sanction for non compliance....HAHAHAHA !! Doesnt happen !!! Boo Hoo they cry and bitch and get their way..its time to change our legislation/government and then maybe something will change with welfare and the numerous people who move to our county to abuse it !!!
WTF

Reamstown, PA

#10 May 5, 2011
Hmmm, doesn't "benefit shopping" sound familiar.
I hope this plan works. I see people everyday that can walk, talk, hear and see though they sit at home everyday for years.
That crap has go to stop.
Also drug tests should be mandatory to collect any kind of assistance from the government.
Telmark

United States

#11 May 6, 2011
Paying generations of welfare recipients to do little but shop, eat, sleep, and breed (even more welfare recipients) has created the mess we have now.

This, and the complete lack of "anti-fraud" enforcement, has made welfare a lucrative way of life for both the recipients and, the public sector "workers" that enable their fraudulent lifestyles.

These welfare reform bills are finally a step in the right direction.
Crap

Harrisburg, PA

#12 May 6, 2011
yea ok wrote:
I worked in the welfare reform system for many years....and Crap you are incorrect in your statement regarding TANF and its 5 year "rule". Yes it is the way the "law" is stated, but not enforced, especially in Lebanon Co !!! And there are many welfare to work programs available...do they work, NO !! For those who really want to do something with their lives its a wonderful opportunity...but for those who choose to use welfare as a way of life, they find their ways to continually "get around" the system...therefore dont "need" to participate in those programs, sure they are sanctioned for 30 days from cash assistance..but right back on after that...and a second sanction for non compliance....HAHAHAHA !! Doesnt happen !!! Boo Hoo they cry and bitch and get their way..its time to change our legislation/government and then maybe something will change with welfare and the numerous people who move to our county to abuse it !!!
Welfare isn't a way of life. You get 205 a month on average if you qualify for cash assistance. You can't eat and pay for housing when all you receive is cash assistance.

I think what you really mean to complain about is social security disability. SSD abuse spans across the poor, working poor, middle class, and even upper class. There are far more people actually living off of SSD than there are on temporary cash assistance. Just look at your friends or neighbors. How many of them are on SSD for chronic back pain, yet you see them working in the yard doing heavy lifting every day?
Telmark

Weed, CA

#13 May 6, 2011
Crap forgot to mention that many welfare recipients get free or "next to free" food, housing, energy, and health care while they receive the $205 a month cash assistance he/she mentions.

Meanwhile, many middle class working and/or non-welfare dependent families have far less than $205 in disposable cash on hand to spend per month.
the facts

Lemoyne, PA

#14 May 8, 2011
Only a Republican state governor and Republican State Legislature would increase the states welfare budget by another $600 million over last years budget and still call it reforms.

Keep drinking this Republican kool aid and we will all be broke.
Crap

Harrisburg, PA

#15 May 9, 2011
Telmark wrote:
Crap forgot to mention that many welfare recipients get free or "next to free" food, housing, energy, and health care while they receive the $205 a month cash assistance he/she mentions.
Meanwhile, many middle class working and/or non-welfare dependent families have far less than $205 in disposable cash on hand to spend per month.
Not true. Welfare includes a variety of programs. However just because you qualify for one program it doesn't mean you automatically qualify for all welfare programs. there are many people who receive Medical Assistance and don't receive any other help. The same goes for food stamps and cash assistance.

Housing assistance is not provided by the welfare office. It would be provided by the housing authority of Lebanon County. Which to my understanding has a long waiting list and is very limited.

The only energy assistance that the welfare office provides is LIHEAP which is only available for a limited time in the winter months. Other energy assistance programs would be through your utility company.

Please as I had said before. Visit the DPW website to get your facts straight.

If a someone who considers themselves to be "middle class" has less than 205 cash on hand each month they are probably living outside of their means.(Sociologist Leonard Beeghley identifies a male making $57,000 and a female making $40,000 with a combined households income of $97,000 as a typical middle class family.)
Telmark

Redding, CA

#16 May 9, 2011
Crap wrote:
<quoted text>Housing assistance is not provided by the welfare office. It would be provided by the housing authority of Lebanon County.
I didn't say that housing assistance was provided by the "welfare office. What I did say was that many welfare recipients receive free, or next to free, housing, energy, and health care while they receive the $205 a month cash assistance you mention. BTW, you're only fooling yourself with your attempt to cloud the issue with false assumptions and inaccurate statements.
Crap wrote:
<quoted text>If a someone who considers themselves to be "middle class" has less than 205 cash on hand each month they are probably living outside of their means.
Living outside of their means? What do you think welfare recipients are doing? Why is it that you refuse to apply the same "standards" to welfare recipients that you've set for the middle class?

Again, the fact is that many welfare recipients do little other than shop, eat, sleep, and breed for a living.

This is the truth (regardless of what you may think).

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