County's first DUI court class graduates

County's first DUI court class graduates

There are 20 comments on the Lebanon Daily News story from Mar 23, 2011, titled County's first DUI court class graduates. In it, Lebanon Daily News reports that:

Amy and Lucy know they couldn't have gotten this far on their own. Both had been arrested three times for drunken driving.

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Wow

Arlington, VA

#1 Mar 23, 2011
I wonder if they celebrated the graduation with a beer?
Thomas Paine

Dauphin, PA

#2 Mar 23, 2011
Wow wrote:
I wonder if they celebrated the graduation with a beer?
OHHHH that was hitting below the belt. But it was funny.
Mamma

United States

#3 Mar 24, 2011
Congrats to the graduates!

Stay strong ... it sounds like you have come a long way. Definitely something to be proud of!
Brainiac

Huntingdon, PA

#4 Mar 24, 2011
Gee...who wants to take bets on how long they stay sober?????????? I have to question why my tax dollars are paying for their sobriety........

ADDICTIONS ARE FOR THE WEAK.....
Thomas Paine

Lancaster, PA

#5 Mar 24, 2011
Brainiac wrote:
Gee...who wants to take bets on how long they stay sober?????????? I have to question why my tax dollars are paying for their sobriety........
ADDICTIONS ARE FOR THE WEAK.....
You could not have said it any better.
Someone

Lebanon, PA

#6 Mar 26, 2011
Thomas Paine wrote:
<quoted text> You could not have said it any better.
If you wanted to make an ignorant statement which is completely wrong. Cost of classes/therapy is much lower then putting the person into jail for 1-2 years, especially when the person has insurance which includes mental health. While the success rate of this program won't be 100%, I am sure it is much higher than jail sentences(which wouldn't be hard since jail is practically 0%).
Thomas Paine

Lancaster, PA

#7 Mar 26, 2011
Someone wrote:
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If you wanted to make an ignorant statement which is completely wrong. Cost of classes/therapy is much lower then putting the person into jail for 1-2 years, especially when the person has insurance which includes mental health. While the success rate of this program won't be 100%, I am sure it is much higher than jail sentences(which wouldn't be hard since jail is practically 0%).
I heard that bullshit for way to long. So in other words ,I and every other tax payer are being held financially hostage by a bunch of dead beats because some nit wit head shrink are telling the poor dears that they have a chemical imbalance in their head. I have been around these alky POS all my life, and all you hear woe to me. You ever hear of will power?
Someone

Lebanon, PA

#8 Mar 26, 2011
Thomas Paine wrote:
<quoted text> I heard that bullshit for way to long. So in other words ,I and every other tax payer are being held financially hostage by a bunch of dead beats because some nit wit head shrink are telling the poor dears that they have a chemical imbalance in their head. I have been around these alky POS all my life, and all you hear woe to me. You ever hear of will power?
So you actually think it costs more than $36,000/year per person for tax payers for this program? It is obvious you know nothing about it and just want to bitch about whatever you are bitch to whine about. The program is voluntary and the person is responsible for all costs (generally paid for by insurance) and is required to work.

So in Lebanon County there were 13 people that completed the program instead of sitting in jail. If they were sentenced to jail, it would cost $468,000/year (from corbett's budget). For this program, there is some financial help set aside which requires approval (low-income/unemployed case by case approval) until the person is employed (requirement for phase II) and has insurance. So lets just say all 13 were unemployed, it would costs about $35,100 for all 13 to complete phase I. Even if this program has a 50% success rate and we assume the other half were re-convicted, we still saved $216,000 (6 people did not relapse). So once again, prisons waste tax payers money on drug/alcohol related convictions while therapy/education will always work better and save tax money. These numbers are readily available to the public and just require you to do a little research. The only people who benefit from people being incarcerated are upper management/shareholders of the privately owned prisons.
Enough Already

Lebanon, PA

#9 Mar 26, 2011
Someone wrote:
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So you actually think it costs more than $36,000/year per person for tax payers for this program? It is obvious you know nothing about it and just want to bitch about whatever you are bitch to whine about. The program is voluntary and the person is responsible for all costs (generally paid for by insurance) and is required to work.
And these costs (generally paid for by insurance) are transferred back to every other person paying for insurance. It is all smoke and mirrors and no one want to be held accountable for their actions.
Someone

Lebanon, PA

#10 Mar 26, 2011
Enough Already wrote:
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And these costs (generally paid for by insurance) are transferred back to every other person paying for insurance. It is all smoke and mirrors and no one want to be held accountable for their actions.
Again, have you done any research instead of thowing something off the top of your head as if it were real? Mental health costs to insurance companies are minimal. There are a lot of reasons health insurance is high and mental health is not one of them. Have you considered: 1000% profit pharmaceutical companies are allowed to sell their drugs(mostly caused by back-end money deals between fda/congress and pharma companies), doctor's rate charges to cover their own insurance costs because of how sue happy the US has become, illegals going to ER, ect. Those 12 step programs they have to go through are ~$30 a session. Is that really increasing your insurance costs and not the $20 progesterone shots that were recently increased to $1500 because someone at the FDA received a large bonus from K-V Pharm so they would be the sole provider of the drug in the US. This company had nothing to do with the r&d of this drug(besides some case trials they have to run), they just paid the most to some FDA bigwig in charge.
In the know

Hershey, PA

#11 Mar 26, 2011
Someone, you certainly are going off on tangents to prove a point. To the critics of this program, it is only in it's infancy. The route to take DUI court is more expensive and much tougher for the person than for them to go to jail. The purpose of the program is to hold one accountable for their actions and minimize the chances of future DUI arrests. Will it be 100% successful? Doubtful, but it seems to be better than doing nothing but increase incarcerations. Since DUI laws have gotten tougher, the punishments have not been effective deterrents. There is countless research which seems to suggest drug and DUI court graduates show lower recidivism rates than their couterparts who went through the traditional justice system. When properly implemented, these programs wind up saving money to the public. So, make snide comments through fake names on the Internet. It is really helping out a lot.
Enough Already

Lebanon, PA

#12 Mar 26, 2011
Someone wrote:
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Again, have you done any research instead of thowing something off the top of your head as if it were real? Mental health costs to insurance companies are minimal.
You are obviously a supporter: I am not. It is really simple: don't drink and drive. If you are caught at it more than once loose your license. If you are caught at it twice it is time for some serious ramifications, not sitting around a camp fire singing kumbaya so that you can beat the addiction.
Thomas Paine

Lancaster, PA

#13 Mar 26, 2011
Enough Already wrote:
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You are obviously a supporter: I am not. It is really simple: don't drink and drive. If you are caught at it more than once loose your license. If you are caught at it twice it is time for some serious ramifications, not sitting around a camp fire singing kumbaya so that you can beat the addiction.
Thank you for your support on this!!!!!
Someone

Lebanon, PA

#14 Mar 26, 2011
In the know wrote:
Someone, you certainly are going off on tangents to prove a point. To the critics of this program, it is only in it's infancy. The route to take DUI court is more expensive and much tougher for the person than for them to go to jail. The purpose of the program is to hold one accountable for their actions and minimize the chances of future DUI arrests. Will it be 100% successful? Doubtful, but it seems to be better than doing nothing but increase incarcerations. Since DUI laws have gotten tougher, the punishments have not been effective deterrents. There is countless research which seems to suggest drug and DUI court graduates show lower recidivism rates than their couterparts who went through the traditional justice system. When properly implemented, these programs wind up saving money to the public. So, make snide comments through fake names on the Internet. It is really helping out a lot.
Not sure how I went off on a tangent from any of the previous posts since I only provided numbers to disprove of the "I and every other tax payer are being held financially hostage by a bunch of dead beats" statements that are usually accompanied with this type of treatment. PA cannot sustain the rate of incarceration for non-violent offenders(mainly drug related).
Enough Already

Lebanon, PA

#15 Mar 27, 2011
Someone wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure how I went off on a tangent from any of the previous posts since I only provided numbers to disprove of the "I and every other tax payer are being held financially hostage by a bunch of dead beats" statements that are usually accompanied with this type of treatment. PA cannot sustain the rate of incarceration for non-violent offenders(mainly drug related).
What exactly is your definition of non-violent? Some high on crack, smoking in front of her children while she is pregnant: is that non-violent? A drunk driver that could kill an entire family because of his/her selfish act to drink and drive: is that non-violent? I guess not since no one got hurt. Lets give them a free pass to do it again.

Has your research showed you how many DUI drivers that are given a free pass revert back to drinking and driving?
I agree

United States

#16 Mar 27, 2011
Enough Already wrote:
<quoted text>
What exactly is your definition of non-violent? Some high on crack, smoking in front of her children while she is pregnant: is that non-violent? A drunk driver that could kill an entire family because of his/her selfish act to drink and drive: is that non-violent? I guess not since no one got hurt. Lets give them a free pass to do it again.
Has your research showed you how many DUI drivers that are given a free pass revert back to drinking and driving?
Great post.

I have to add over-weight people to this list. More often than not, obesity is because of an addiction as well.

These people are an immediate financial drain on society; collecting 'disability', poor health including diabetes, heart/high blood pressure issues, etc.
In the know

Hershey, PA

#17 Mar 27, 2011
Enough Already wrote:
<quoted text>
What exactly is your definition of non-violent? Some high on crack, smoking in front of her children while she is pregnant: is that non-violent? A drunk driver that could kill an entire family because of his/her selfish act to drink and drive: is that non-violent? I guess not since no one got hurt. Lets give them a free pass to do it again.
Has your research showed you how many DUI drivers that are given a free pass revert back to drinking and driving?
Which is exactly why drug and DUI courts were created. This isn't a free pass, but off course since you known everything about this, you would know that as well. You fail at the Internet and life.
In the know

Hershey, PA

#18 Mar 27, 2011
Someone wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure how I went off on a tangent from any of the previous posts since I only provided numbers to disprove of the "I and every other tax payer are being held financially hostage by a bunch of dead beats" statements that are usually accompanied with this type of treatment. PA cannot sustain the rate of incarceration for non-violent offenders(mainly drug related).
Sorry Brah, but treatment sessions cost more than $30, so I am guessing most of the other stuff you wrote is wrong too. People like you just add fuel to these internet genuises' fire. You are as bad as they are.

And 12 step meetings actually are free, so research up.
In the know

Hershey, PA

#19 Mar 27, 2011
And if the worst you douches can do is point out a few typos, 1 word, iPhone.
Enough Already

Lebanon, PA

#20 Mar 27, 2011
In the know wrote:
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Which is exactly why drug and DUI courts were created. This isn't a free pass, but off course since you known everything about this, you would know that as well. You fail at the Internet and life.
If drug and DUI courts are so effective, why did these ladies each have three DUI's? Sounds like someone got a free pass a few times.

I fail at life? Don't think so unless your definition of failure is having zero DUI's. If you are so much in the know, what do you really know?

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