Lawyer says client's suspended licens...

Lawyer says client's suspended license, drunken driving not to blame for fatal crash

There are 8 comments on the Flint Township/Swartz Creek Advance story from Jul 21, 2010, titled Lawyer says client's suspended license, drunken driving not to blame for fatal crash. In it, Flint Township/Swartz Creek Advance reports that:

Ronald Windom might have been driving drunk behind the wheel of his Mustang, and he might have been driving on a suspended license, but his defense attorney said it's not his fault that Stafford Ray was killed when Ray's motorcycle collided with Windom's car.

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lovesarcasm

Wilmington, DE

#1 Jul 21, 2010
He broke the law plain and simple. So he's not to blame for the accident, but maybe karma is biting his backside???

Since: Sep 08

United States

#2 Jul 21, 2010
If he did not cause the accident what difference does it make if he had a license or was drunk? He should be convicted of drunk driving and driving on a suspended license but not drunk driving causing death.
Sandy

United States

#3 Jul 21, 2010
GR Pete wrote:
If he did not cause the accident what difference does it make if he had a license or was drunk? He should be convicted of drunk driving and driving on a suspended license but not drunk driving causing death.
Why am I not surprised? When I read the story I knew exactly what you would say. And you wonder why people dislike attorneys.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#4 Jul 21, 2010
Good Day,

I want to see the results of the investigation of the accident. However, to quote the article:

"Kuiper said Windom pulled in front of Ray's motorcycle while making a turn, and that Ray was going no faster than 45 mph."

If that is true, regardless of the DUI and suspended license, then case closed assuming the motorcyclist was driving properly. So then question then becomes did the driver of the car make a legal turn? It is a simple arguement really, being under the influence led to diminished capabilities and the poor descision to make the turn. A West Michigan jury will most likely throw the book at him.

Steelie

“Taz say Hi”

Since: Jan 08

Holland,MI

#5 Jul 22, 2010
The logic of Michigan law will blame the driver of the car as he was driving with a suspended license. If he had been obeying the law, the accident would not have happened since he would not have been there in a car. There was a case a while ago in Holland where a young lady pulled out of a drive in front of another car. Since the driver was driving under suspension, it was considered his fault for just that reason, even though he was not speeding and he was sober.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#6 Jul 22, 2010
Steelie wrote:
Good Day,
I want to see the results of the investigation of the accident. However, to quote the article:
"Kuiper said Windom pulled in front of Ray's motorcycle while making a turn, and that Ray was going no faster than 45 mph."
If that is true, regardless of the DUI and suspended license, then case closed assuming the motorcyclist was driving properly. So then question then becomes did the driver of the car make a legal turn? It is a simple arguement really, being under the influence led to diminished capabilities and the poor descision to make the turn. A West Michigan jury will most likely throw the book at him.
Steelie
Kuiper's own statement admits the biker was violating the law and not driving properly, he was going 15 over the limit. Don't get me wrong, I am a biker so I sympathize with him but if you are going to be speeding you make it all the more difficult for the other motorists to judge your speed and the time and distance needed to make a manuver like a left turn or pulling out. Other drivers have the right to assume you are obeying the law. I believe there is also a statute that says you forfeit the right of way at an intersection if you are speeding. Sounds like the prosecution is admitting he is speeding, it is just a matter of how many mph he was over.

The name of the law is drunk driving or driving w/o a license CAUSING death. Just being on the road is not enough to get convicted of this felony. It is enough to get convicted of the lesser offenses I mentioned earlier.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#7 Jul 22, 2010
Good Day,

Taz, good point!

Steelie

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#8 Jul 22, 2010
GR Pete wrote:
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Kuiper's own statement admits the biker was violating the law and not driving properly, he was going 15 over the limit. Don't get me wrong, I am a biker so I sympathize with him but if you are going to be speeding you make it all the more difficult for the other motorists to judge your speed and the time and distance needed to make a manuver like a left turn or pulling out. Other drivers have the right to assume you are obeying the law. I believe there is also a statute that says you forfeit the right of way at an intersection if you are speeding. Sounds like the prosecution is admitting he is speeding, it is just a matter of how many mph he was over.
The name of the law is drunk driving or driving w/o a license CAUSING death. Just being on the road is not enough to get convicted of this felony. It is enough to get convicted of the lesser offenses I mentioned earlier.
Good Day,

Hey Pete... Your point here is not falling on deaf ears, entirely. I find myself asking the question, the physics of the accident do not add up in my mind. Maybe it is just me. But if the motorcyclist was traveling at 45mph, then why was his body found sooo far away from the collision point? I have seen my fair share of motorcycle racing accidents and those guys are going FAST! And this is concrete and sidewalk, not a slick grassy infield. Something doesn't add up...

Steelie

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