Tax trauma puts half-billion in IPS repairs at risk of rejection

A half-billion dollars in repairs and renovations at Indianapolis Public Schools could be blocked by property tax relief measures proposed by Gov. Full Story
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John

Chachoengsao, Thailand

#1 Jul 13, 2007
Perhaps they should worry a bit more about teacher quality and a bit less about fancy swimming pools and air conditioners for schools. It might be cheaper and a better use of the money. As I recall, my public grade school had no air conditioning. Guess what? We all survived. Taxpayers can't afford to pay for a bunch of nonsense.
Kwang

United States

#2 Jul 13, 2007
We can never say we allocate enough resources and investment in education, for this is the future of our economy and our country. Why are the needs of children be sacrificed for our stupidity? This kind of mentality is probably the main reason why the kids in Indiana is falling behind in academic achievement.

Why are there so many employees under government payroll when tax payers suffer so much from current economic downturn? Is it Indiana citizen devine task to serve government employees?

Come on Mr.Daniels, don't put that surgical knife on our feature.
John

Chachoengsao, Thailand

#3 Jul 13, 2007
Kwang wrote:
We can never say we allocate enough resources and investment in education, for this is the future of our economy and our country. Why are the needs of children be sacrificed for our stupidity? This kind of mentality is probably the main reason why the kids in Indiana is falling behind in academic achievement.
Why are there so many employees under government payroll when tax payers suffer so much from current economic downturn? Is it Indiana citizen devine task to serve government employees?
Come on Mr.Daniels, don't put that surgical knife on our feature.
Just be careful not to confuse education with swimming pools and air conditioners for schools. Take a look at the IPS budget. Where is the money going?
no respect

United States

#4 Jul 13, 2007
They sure found enough money for a new stadium. Not of my choosing, Ill never step foot in it.
All these elected know is taxes, more taxes. They tax everything.
GhettoMafia

Columbus, OH

#5 Jul 13, 2007
Kwang wrote:
We can never say we allocate enough resources and investment in education, for this is the future of our economy and our country. Why are the needs of children be sacrificed for our stupidity? This kind of mentality is probably the main reason why the kids in Indiana is falling behind in academic achievement.
Why are there so many employees under government payroll when tax payers suffer so much from current economic downturn? Is it Indiana citizen devine task to serve government employees?
Come on Mr.Daniels, don't put that surgical knife on our feature.
Well, let's see. IPS currently gets more money than the tax base can bear. In other words, we are giving until it hurts, and hurts bad. Given this, every student coming out of IPS should be fully educated, responsible, respectful citizens. Do you see that? I don't see that. And you're telling me the problem is they don't get enough money? Tell me how more money will teach the thug next door that throwing garbage into the street is wrong, when his mother won't tell him that. Should we bypass the schools altogether and just send the money directly to the mother? Will she then teach her child to have some dignity and pride in HIS neighborhood?
sealionindy

United States

#6 Jul 13, 2007
Kwang wrote:
We can never say we allocate enough resources and investment in education, for this is the future of our economy and our country. Why are the needs of children be sacrificed for our stupidity? This kind of mentality is probably the main reason why the kids in Indiana is falling behind in academic achievement.
Why are there so many employees under government payroll when tax payers suffer so much from current economic downturn? Is it Indiana citizen devine task to serve government employees?
Come on Mr.Daniels, don't put that surgical knife on our feature.
Why is there such a low Grad rate in IPS. You can't use mechanical devices
and throw money at these problems. It takes much more than that. Meanwhile, the taxpayers have had it
and will defeat any more increases.
What we know

Marysville, OH

#7 Jul 13, 2007
IPS already spends more per student than any other district in the state. Yet, it still fails miserably in the only statistic that counts - graduating prepared students. Money clearly isn't the issue.

But, but, but all you want. It's still a failure.

Since: Jul 07

United States

#8 Jul 13, 2007
John wrote:
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Just be careful not to confuse education with swimming pools and air conditioners for schools. Take a look at the IPS budget. Where is the money going?
Whoís confused on what????

Whatís wrong with providing desirable environment, so that kids can better focus on the subject matter? LEARNING. You know your brain performs most optimally when your body is exposed to minimal stress. Whatís wrong with swimming pool at school? Is it okay to spend on facility for basketball, football or any other activities, but not okay for swimming pool. With what capacity you have to make such an absurd and authoritative statement? Hey, I grew up in one of the poorest country, and swimming was never considered as an exorbitant activity.

Just like many parents out there, Iíd much rather economize my own living style in order to provide my kids with more opportunity for learning experiences. Why canít this be expanded to our society at large.

Why do we need so many deadbeat people at our government.
susan jones

San Francisco, CA

#9 Jul 13, 2007
I hope this doesn't happen to IPS, just as a turn around is happening and there is hope that finally IPS can work in decent environment.
MAW

Martinsville, IN

#10 Jul 13, 2007
What we know wrote:
IPS already spends more per student than any other district in the state. Yet, it still fails miserably in the only statistic that counts - graduating prepared students. Money clearly isn't the issue.
But, but, but all you want. It's still a failure.
THANK YOU. WELL SAID.
GhettoMafia

Columbus, OH

#11 Jul 13, 2007
susan jones wrote:
I hope this doesn't happen to IPS, just as a turn around is happening and there is hope that finally IPS can work in decent environment.
Which turn around is that? Please show me, a taxpayer with no children, how IPS students are turning around. I find them smoking pot in the alleys on a daily basis. I find them littering on a daily basis. When I politely ask them to pick up their trash, I'm told to Ph uck off. These are the likes of IPS and their parents are SOLELY to blame for raising a child with no repsect, no dignity. How does a prettier school fix what is clearly a cultural problem. We've been told before, "We want more money." It was given, and here we are.
History Teacher

Chicago, IL

#12 Jul 13, 2007
GhettoMafia wrote:
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Well, let's see. IPS currently gets more money than the tax base can bear. In other words, we are giving until it hurts, and hurts bad. Given this, every student coming out of IPS should be fully educated, responsible, respectful citizens. Do you see that? I don't see that. And you're telling me the problem is they don't get enough money? Tell me how more money will teach the thug next door that throwing garbage into the street is wrong, when his mother won't tell him that. Should we bypass the schools altogether and just send the money directly to the mother? Will she then teach her child to have some dignity and pride in HIS neighborhood?
First of all, just so you know, I don't teach in IPS--thank God. However, you my friend are part of the problem, not the solution. You actually hit the nail on the head when you claimed that the MOTHER of the "thug" next door to you doesn't teach her child resposibility. So you claim that that's the school's responsibility then, eh?

I thought all you folks just wanted the schools to teach "the three R's?" Now you want us to do the PARENTS' job as well? Oh I see, you want it both ways. Blame the teachers, that's right. blah, blah, blah.

So it's not your responsibility to mention to that child that maybe littering is a bad idea? What, are you afraid? It's not your responsibility to show love to that child and perhaps demonstrate proper adult manners/behaviour?

This is society's problem folks---everybody. As much as I detest Hillary Clinton, she's right on this one--it DOES take a village! Why are there so many single parent families out there? Why are so many "children" having "children"? Why is there such blatant disregard for authority and education?

So where does that leave IPS kids? I know...since Hamilton County schools have demonstrated that they are so good at teaching then perhaps we should shut down IPS and bus ALL their children to Hamilton County schools? All in favor, say "Aye!"
ProspectorBill

Louisville, KY

#13 Jul 13, 2007
Where are you people from? Is it ok to do anything as long as it's "for the children?" My tiny, country high school class had 3 national merit scholars and NO POOL. NO AIR CONDITIONING, and NO STADIUM but we did have some of the greatest teachers to ever grab a red pen. Optimal learning without stress? That prepares them for the real world. Please, send yourselves back to school, quit whining and come to grips.
MAW

Martinsville, IN

#14 Jul 13, 2007
GhettoMafia wrote:
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Which turn around is that? Please show me, a taxpayer with no children, how IPS students are turning around. I find them smoking pot in the alleys on a daily basis. I find them littering on a daily basis. When I politely ask them to pick up their trash, I'm told to Ph uck off. These are the likes of IPS and their parents are SOLELY to blame for raising a child with no repsect, no dignity. How does a prettier school fix what is clearly a cultural problem. We've been told before, "We want more money." It was given, and here we are.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!
MORE MONEY THROWN AT THE PROBLEM DOES NOT SOLVE ANYTHING WHEN WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS A CHARACTER ISSUE.
WE HAVE CONDITIONED THESE LITTLE BRATS TO BELIEVE THAT THE WORLD OWES THEM AND THAT ALL THAT REALLY MATTERS IS THAT THEIR EGOS ARE WELL FED.
VOUCHERS FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS IS WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MY TAX DOLLARS GOING. THEY HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF HIGH TEST SCORES AND OF GRADUATING PRODUCTIVE, CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS OF SOCIETY.
Average Joe

South Vienna, OH

#15 Jul 13, 2007
This is the best idea I heard so far, as it reduces spending. However, it is only an idea, and only helps parts of Marion County. We need to get past sound bites and ideas and initiate real change for the state of Indiana.

Come on Governor Daniels do the right thing Ė call a Special Session now!

If the Legislature is called in and come up with a solution and implement it, it will show if they are truly working for the people of Indiana. If not it will take away any doubt that this group is clearly not in place to serve the people of Indiana, but rather to build their own careers and line their own pocketbooks!!

The state legislature and governor truly need to find and implement a solution to the overall property tax system. The fact is that system is broken as proven by the disparity in the assessed values. This can be accomplished by abolishing the property tax system, and replacing it with either sales or income taxes. Additionally, the local governments and schools need to reduce spending, and raise accountabilities.

Doing anything other than this is only an insult to the people of Indiana to whom they are supposed to represent! Letís see that headline today read ďGovernor Calls Special Session to Solve Taxing Problem!Ē
GhettoMafia

Columbus, OH

#16 Jul 13, 2007
History Teacher wrote:
However, you my friend are part of the problem, not the solution.

So it's not your responsibility to mention to that child that maybe littering is a bad idea?
My POINT, my friend, is that the problem is NOT the teachers. It's the parents. My POINT, my friend, is that throwing more money at the schools does not solve a cultural problem.

Had you waited for my other post before hopping on me (for things I never said), you would see that I have tried to "enlighten" the darling child next door about littering. I'm greeted with profanity, and more of the same from the darling mother.
dogthatbitmitch

Louisville, KY

#17 Jul 13, 2007
Lease the stadium to a private business from Spain for 75 years for money now that can be used to repair the buildings and educate the students.

SPM

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, Indiana

#18 Jul 13, 2007
John wrote:
Perhaps they should worry a bit more about teacher quality and a bit less about fancy swimming pools and air conditioners for schools. It might be cheaper and a better use of the money. As I recall, my public grade school had no air conditioning. Guess what? We all survived. Taxpayers can't afford to pay for a bunch of nonsense.
IPS is not installing swimming pools or luxury items. Most the money in the bond as stated in the article are to upgrade electrical systems, take out asbestes, make the schools more handy cap accessible, and install air conditioning.

Those are not items. Like the luxury football stadiums, swimming pools, athletic indoor complexes that are being built in the townships.

These are items that will make the learning environment more reasonable to learn. These are items that are expected in the townships. Whey IPS proposes to such things people get into an uproar.

These are the same people that complain about test scores in IPS compared to the townships.

So, lets review. We give luxury items and basics to townships kids. Those with stable families, safe neighborhoods and in many cases caring families and they succeed.

IPS on the other hand cannot do anything about the families, neighborhoods. It can however provide a basic good learning environment. What happens when these things are proposed, people get in an uproar. They talk about township items like stadiums and swimming pools.

IPS just wants to give the kids a good learning environment. Learning in 90 degree classrooms and having to travel two floors to a restroom. Restricting handy capped kids from certain areas is not only against the law but poor teaching.

I guess what people are really saying is that students in the inner-city (IPS) are less valuable than township kids.

IPS is not asking for luxury items just basics. It is time the city and people of center township help to complete this process. Find another way to lesson the tax burden than taking from kids who are already deprived and abused because of family situations and the school system they attend.

Since: Jul 07

United States

#19 Jul 13, 2007
GhettoMafia wrote:
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Well, let's see. IPS currently gets more money than the tax base can bear. In other words, we are giving until it hurts, and hurts bad. Given this, every student coming out of IPS should be fully educated, responsible, respectful citizens. Do you see that? I don't see that. And you're telling me the problem is they don't get enough money? Tell me how more money will teach the thug next door that throwing garbage into the street is wrong, when his mother won't tell him that. Should we bypass the schools altogether and just send the money directly to the mother? Will she then teach her child to have some dignity and pride in HIS neighborhood?
Letís say your own child is not performing well. Would you say I give up? Iíd imagine the worst thing you can do to that child is to further discourage him/her by withdrawing your support, both emotionally and materially. What will become of that child? Perhaps, fortunate enough to find a demeaning job working for foreign nationals. Can you really afford not to do anything except complaining?

Some of us can afford to send their kids to private institutions, bless them. But, many of us with strained financial status; itís not a viable option. Letís not discourage what appears to be already weakening system, but show our support and pray that things will get better.

SPM

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, Indiana

#20 Jul 13, 2007
What we know wrote:
IPS already spends more per student than any other district in the state. Yet, it still fails miserably in the only statistic that counts - graduating prepared students. Money clearly isn't the issue.
But, but, but all you want. It's still a failure.
Yes, it does. It also deals with more handy capped, ESL, disruptive kids. Kids who are abused. Kids who's only meal come at school. Kids who are latch key. Kids who are abused and neglected than any other system. Most of the money goes towards those items not education. If you look at just education. Regular kids get short changed. They sit in large classrooms. One of mine last year was over 38 students (middle schoolers). While teachers who deal with kids mentioned above work in very much smaller classrooms. Some with less than 10 kids per class.

IPS just deals with more social problems than any other school system in the state. That comes from being the largest school system in the state. People must understand that.

Lets not deprive these students any longer. Lets do what we can to help the learning environment. Find another way to lesson our tax burden. My taxes almost trippled too living here in center township. I though don't want cuts to come at the expense of children who are already behind and deprived.

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