Pencil it in: Heftier ISTEP taking shape

Pencil it in: Heftier ISTEP taking shape

There are 8 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Sep 17, 2006, titled Pencil it in: Heftier ISTEP taking shape. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

The countdown to ISTEP-Plus started in Indiana schools as soon as the first bell of the year rang.

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concerned parent

Indianapolis, IN

#1 Sep 18, 2006
I do not agree with this, those students who have not passed lets say the math portion of Istep should have math right away. All schools are not helping students to make sure they can pass. Northrop is one of those schools! You need to take into consideration test anxiety!!
oldthinker

Brooklyn, IN

#2 Sep 18, 2006
I used to freeze up on tests and later look at the paper and think, I knew that! Even so I am concerned about our teaching methods. I went to a one room school where the teacher taught grades 1-4,
as a youngster. We seemed to learn more those days than the youth are learning now.

We spend hours teaching stupid, unprovable stuff, like Darwin's theory, but our children cannot make change when they graduate. I am concerned that we have our priorities wrong.
wranglerman

Jeffersonville, IN

#3 Sep 18, 2006
oldthinker wrote:
I used to freeze up on tests and later look at the paper and think, I knew that! Even so I am concerned about our teaching methods. I went to a one room school where the teacher taught grades 1-4,
as a youngster. We seemed to learn more those days than the youth are learning now.
We spend hours teaching stupid, unprovable stuff, like Darwin's theory, but our children cannot make change when they graduate. I am concerned that we have our priorities wrong.
Oldthinker,
i Partially agree w/ you. My daughter seems to come home everyday telling me what movie they watched in class today, and trust me they mostly are not movies that have any relevence to what class it is..
As far as darwinian theories, the process of natural selection is far more evidentually proven than, oh I dont know lets say something like, adn God created man in his image, and POOF here we were.
csd619

United States

#4 Sep 18, 2006
ooooh ooh ohh..that sounds like a hell of a can of worms to open on this network...evolution scientific fact, or an attempt to dispell the truth of divine creation...look for it soon on a topix.net forum near you!(look for it under the title of "Evolution vs. Creationism")
oldthinker

Brooklyn, IN

#5 Sep 18, 2006
I know right away you all had a panic attack over the orgin of man. Without getting into what I believe I am saying that it does not make one bit of difference what one believes about the past if we are going to campare apples to oranges. The problem is that teaching the doctrine of Athiestic people vs. Christian beliefs is not teaching our children how to do writing, math, speak proper english, or the many other skills we should be teaching our children.

Darwin himself believed the single cell was the beginning of life, now we have discovered dna but none of this is preparing our children for the future. Why can't the schools quit wasting our children's time and start preparing them for life? Why do we have to do the political correct thing and pass them on and give them a diploma when they cannot even read? Why do we think we have to tell them where they came from when it cannot be proven by any science we know?

I know some of you will say we do know but if that is true why are we always talking about the missing link? Give me a break. Why do we have to waste our time and our children's time guessing about things people cannot agree on when we have so many important things to teach our children that we do know about for certain?

This is why our children know less than the graduates did many years ago. My father only went to the eighth grade and he ran a farm and worked in the factory and had money in the bank when he died. He could manage money, fix machinery, and handle complex decisions. Many of our children graduate from college and cannot even make change. That ought to be enough to tell us that we are failing in the teaching job.

What I say here is not to beat up on teachers. Maby they are doing the best they can with the system we have given them to work with, but the system is broken. When you tell a teacher he/she cannot fail a child just because they made all failing grades, what else do you expect? We need to wake up and come to grip with reality. We must expect certain standards for graduation and stick with them. We need to get back to some basics that the teachers used long ago, which worked. Perhaps if we looked at how they taught along with what we know today, we could at least start in the right direction.
oldthinker

Brooklyn, IN

#6 Sep 18, 2006
Now for this personal note. I do not appreciate my grandchildren being taught that they came from some lower life form. We put monkeys behind bars and look at them. Monkeys do not put people behind bars and look at us. Why?

Some of you are afraid to admitt there is a creator because the moment you admit that you become accountable to that creator and cannot live any wicked ungodly way you please without the fear of having to answer for your actions.

If you are so sure you evolved from some blob, why do you get so upset about someone who is stupid and thinks there is a God? If the people who believe there is a creator are just stupid and blind, then they are ignorant and their stupidity will have no real lasting effect on anyone else and these stupid people who believe they were created will just die and rot in a stinking grave with everyone else. What a wonderful reason for living.

If this is really all life is about, our children's education is just preparing them to live in a world full of crime and hate and die a miserable death anyway, so what makes the difference?

Haven't you ever visited a nursing home? The wealthy and the poor, the college graduate, and the mentally impared all die there. Everyone becomes equal at the end of life and we all take up about six feet of space. Some get more recognition than others but they are still just as dead as anyone else.

As for me, I choose to have a different hope.Maby I am ignorant, but it gives me joy. You choose, no hope or hope.
TMiller

Columbus, IN

#7 Sep 19, 2006
Oldthinker, I agree with ya here. Leave religion or non religion for parents, teach readin, writin, and rithmatic. I am "spiritual". People take that to mean believe in a devine being, not necessarily God. I am an odd one, in that I believe in God. I dont swallow any one christian segregation, baptist, methodist, etc. I kind of use common sence, and smoosh the different beliefs. My reason for believing in creation? No huge explosion milleniums ago could have resulted in the different miracles of life. Origionate from beasts, or single cells? Not likely, never seen or heard of any intelligent animal suddenly developing from anything else. Again, all theory. The nearest to evolution I will believe is that some humans are evolving into animals, not the other way.As a whole, humans exibit far too many traits (compassion, love, etc) that no single other beast exibits. Life is way too sofisticated to not be part of a "design".
oldthinker

Brooklyn, IN

#8 Sep 19, 2006
TMiller wrote:
Oldthinker, I agree with ya here. Leave religion or non religion for parents, teach readin, writin, and rithmatic. I am "spiritual". People take that to mean believe in a devine being, not necessarily God. I am an odd one, in that I believe in God. I dont swallow any one christian segregation, baptist, methodist, etc. I kind of use common sence, and smoosh the different beliefs. My reason for believing in creation? No huge explosion milleniums ago could have resulted in the different miracles of life. Origionate from beasts, or single cells? Not likely, never seen or heard of any intelligent animal suddenly developing from anything else. Again, all theory. The nearest to evolution I will believe is that some humans are evolving into animals, not the other way.As a whole, humans exibit far too many traits (compassion, love, etc) that no single other beast exibits. Life is way too sofisticated to not be part of a "design".
TMiller, I always appreciate your comments, as they are well thought through and well presented. You and I are on the same page here.

I just want to encourage you to keep on posting on these blogs as folks need to hear the things you have to say.

If you'd like to, since we both live in Columbus, we might meet somewhere and have lunch. Let me know if you are interested. My wife will come if she can, I am sure. She works changing hours.

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