Court petition challenges Michigan deer baiting ban

Sep 25, 2008 Full story: MLive.com 23

Opponents are suing to overturn a recently imposed ban on feeding and baiting deer in Michigan's Lower Peninsula.

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marcus

Bay City, MI

#1 Oct 29, 2008
baiting harms nothing
Timmmaaayyy

Shelbyville, MI

#2 Oct 29, 2008
except the deer

but if God didn't want us to eat them, he wouldn't have made them taste good

seriously though, one captive deer (that more than likely came in from out-of-state) on one farm in kent county does not constitute a real concern to anyone more than 5 miles from that farm.

I'm starting to think this was started by the anti-hunting sector as a way to eventually outlaw deer hunting completely in michigan.

wait until the insurance companies get hit with a 50% to 75% higher claim payout for car-deer accidents
Teri

Richmond, MI

#3 Nov 1, 2008
And, the deer that are affected are probably inbred on some fenced-in hunting camp anyhow. Just like any other animal that breeds too close in the bloodline--they end up with birth defects!
Common Sense

Champaign, IL

#4 Nov 4, 2008
How does the ban baiting keep people from being able to hunt and kill deer? I grew up hunting in TN and it wasn't until I moved to MI as a teenager that I had ever heard of many of the baiting techniques people use. Hunting over a bait pile isn't true hunting in my opinion. I know 3 people who have already harvested a deer this season and they certiantly weren't baiting. Learn how to hunt, perhaps use a little patience...and stop whining.
matt

Petoskey, MI

#5 Nov 4, 2008
Common Sense wrote:
How does the ban baiting keep people from being able to hunt and kill deer? I grew up hunting in TN and it wasn't until I moved to MI as a teenager that I had ever heard of many of the baiting techniques people use. Hunting over a bait pile isn't true hunting in my opinion. I know 3 people who have already harvested a deer this season and they certiantly weren't baiting. Learn how to hunt, perhaps use a little patience...and stop whining.
baiting has been around for many centuries our early ancesters baited and so did most the indians bait dont neccesarly lure them in just gets them to stop long enough for a shot. when i used to bait i would not bait weeks ahead atime but instead right before i sit down throw bout 5 apples aginst a tree to get them to stop.
Common Sense

Champaign, IL

#6 Nov 4, 2008
That isn't necessarily baiting though. That is pretty close to softly huffing to get them to stop and take a look around. I guess what I am referring to are the people who set out piles of corn, apples etc, or those who plant bait patches that supposedly attract the deer. The Deer Cane and various other products that line the shelves this time of year. I really don't think anyone is going to get in trouble for dropping a couple of apples. It is the piles and patches that encourage feeding and help to spread diseases like Chronic Wasting and TB.

I am also one of the ones that doesn't see the sense in buy Scent Lock and all of the soap and special products to cover your scent. I am one who has always hunted in simple camo and the required orange (I have a bad shoulder, so I only gun hunt). I have killed more deer when hunting with my father while he is smoking than any other time.

I guess I am just a simple girl needing no frills when comes to hunting :)
matt wrote:
<quoted text> baiting has been around for many centuries our early ancesters baited and so did most the indians bait dont neccesarly lure them in just gets them to stop long enough for a shot. when i used to bait i would not bait weeks ahead atime but instead right before i sit down throw bout 5 apples aginst a tree to get them to stop.

Since: Oct 07

Big Rapids, MI

#7 Nov 4, 2008
Common Sense wrote:
That isn't necessarily baiting though. That is pretty close to softly huffing to get them to stop and take a look around. I guess what I am referring to are the people who set out piles of corn, apples etc, or those who plant bait patches that supposedly attract the deer. The Deer Cane and various other products that line the shelves this time of year. I really don't think anyone is going to get in trouble for dropping a couple of apples. It is the piles and patches that encourage feeding and help to spread diseases like Chronic Wasting and TB.
I am also one of the ones that doesn't see the sense in buy Scent Lock and all of the soap and special products to cover your scent. I am one who has always hunted in simple camo and the required orange (I have a bad shoulder, so I only gun hunt). I have killed more deer when hunting with my father while he is smoking than any other time.
I guess I am just a simple girl needing no frills when comes to hunting :)
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You'd be welcome in our deer camp. No baiting allowed, and we're in the UP where its still legal. We've never used bait as it doesn't fit into the definition of fair chase.

“91 Whiskey”

Since: Nov 08

Grand Rapids

#8 Nov 4, 2008
Timmmaaayyy wrote:
I'm starting to think this was started by the anti-hunting sector as a way to eventually outlaw deer hunting completely
We're going to have to play hard ball from here on out. The momentum swung their way when the dove hunting proposal was beaten down a few years ago. I don't bait personally but I do believe that people should have that option should they desire it.
t-money

Charlevoix, MI

#9 Nov 5, 2008
the bait ban hasn't stopped me form baiting. ive been baiting deer my whole life and ive killed hundreds of deer and never had one deer that was sick
tom

Charlevoix, MI

#10 Nov 5, 2008
if they want to come get me for dumping shelled corn and apples let them. all of this is coming from all of these liberal treehuggers. the tree pigs can try to stop me but they will have to find me first
Don kroczaleski

Bay City, MI

#11 Nov 5, 2008
I think you should let us bate.
Fact Finder

Gladstone, MI

#12 Nov 5, 2008
Whether you believe in baiting or not, the point here is that the DNR has ban baiting to fit an agenda they have. Hunters should have a choice of what hunting style they prefer. The NRC (DNR) is required by Proposal G to make their decisions based on "sound scientific" findings. The facts do not back up there decision to ban baiting. Baiting or supplemental feeding only accounts for %1.7 of what our deer herd consumes. Why are they not putting an end to food plots? By their own definition in their action plan for CWD "food plots" should then also be banned as they are supplemental feed (or "food")and are there for the purpose of "attracting deer". Deer gather under apple trees, in corn fields, and a million other places naturally. They are very sociable creatures by nature and are routinely in nose to nose contact regardless of what they are eating. In a news article Mary Dettloff is even quoted as saying that if your bird feeder "attracts deer" it's illegal! People are getting ticketed for baiting for ridiculous infractions already! I could go on and on arguing various points on this subject, but instead I'll send you to a page I am working on. It's far from complete. I have tons of information yet to post in the coming days.

I was involved with the effort that helped force the DNR to fess up about the "missing ten million" dollars last year. I have it from an inside source that they knew the money was there the whole time. Wow, what a surprise! When is the last time you miss placed ten million? They came very close to scamming the hunters on that one. Trust me on this, this is about dividing the hunters and achieving an agenda the DNR has. I also have it from a good source that in January they plan to ban baiting in the U.P. as well. These are permanent bans. They want to make Michigan a trophy buck state. Don't you find it strange that they have only found ONE deer with CWD. They also claim they can't test for the prions in the soil. This is also not true. They also will not release any information about the Kent County case to the citizens via a FOIA request (Freedom of Information Act). There are red flags all over this! If you're interested in finding out more check out and bookmark: http://www.upinjustice.com/cwdmainpage.htm
There will be more posted soon. Just try to keep an open mind about this baiting ban and what might really be going on.
Hunters Wife

Lapeer, MI

#13 Nov 11, 2008
Well, it amazes me that in this highly fragile economy, the DNR would take this stance. Obviously, they care more about ONE deer on a RANCH than they do about the financial well-being of the residents of the lower Peninsula. The DNR should care MORE about the people of the state than they do about a few deer who MIGHT have CWD. What can we do about this? I mean come ON - a PERMANENT BAN??? How about they ban the RANCH from operating that this deer was found on???
bow man

AOL

#14 Nov 11, 2008
Why dont we find out why minnesota got rid of the dnr director? Look at some of her comments on hunting. It may answer alot of peoples questions!
bow man

AOL

#15 Nov 11, 2008
By the way, for those of you that don't know, our governor then hired her!

Since: Oct 07

Big Rapids, MI

#16 Nov 12, 2008
bow man wrote:
Why dont we find out why minnesota got rid of the dnr director? Look at some of her comments on hunting. It may answer alot of peoples questions!
Who in the world are you talking about?

Links maybe if any exist.
B Freet

AOL

#17 Nov 16, 2008
Fact Finder wrote:
Whether you believe in baiting or not, the point here is that the DNR has ban baiting to fit an agenda they have. Hunters should have a choice of what hunting style they prefer. The NRC (DNR) is required by Proposal G to make their decisions based on "sound scientific" findings. The facts do not back up there decision to ban baiting. Baiting or supplemental feeding only accounts for %1.7 of what our deer herd consumes. Why are they not putting an end to food plots? By their own definition in their action plan for CWD "food plots" should then also be banned as they are supplemental feed (or "food")and are there for the purpose of "attracting deer". Deer gather under apple trees, in corn fields, and a million other places naturally. They are very sociable creatures by nature and are routinely in nose to nose contact regardless of what they are eating. In a news article Mary Dettloff is even quoted as saying that if your bird feeder "attracts deer" it's illegal! People are getting ticketed for baiting for ridiculous infractions already! I could go on and on arguing various points on this subject, but instead I'll send you to a page I am working on. It's far from complete. I have tons of information yet to post in the coming days.
I was involved with the effort that helped force the DNR to fess up about the "missing ten million" dollars last year. I have it from an inside source that they knew the money was there the whole time. Wow, what a surprise! When is the last time you miss placed ten million? They came very close to scamming the hunters on that one. Trust me on this, this is about dividing the hunters and achieving an agenda the DNR has. I also have it from a good source that in January they plan to ban baiting in the U.P. as well. These are permanent bans. They want to make Michigan a trophy buck state. Don't you find it strange that they have only found ONE deer with CWD. They also claim they can't test for the prions in the soil. This is also not true. They also will not release any information about the Kent County case to the citizens via a FOIA request (Freedom of Information Act). There are red flags all over this! If you're interested in finding out more check out and bookmark: http://www.upinjustice.com/cwdmainpage.htm
There will be more posted soon. Just try to keep an open mind about this baiting ban and what might really be going on.
I find your post very interesting and will be going to the link you provided.I do have some questions about your post though,1 is where did you come up with the 1.7% is that based on a 12 months or is that based on the 3 month hunting season.2 I'm all for making it the same for the U.P. there are too many gray area's in the current regulations, as well I do believe food plots should also fall under as bait,according to a post on a different web site a person talked to their local DNR Officer Rick Villerot that they are looking into including food plots in 2009.I can respect your point of view and look forward to visiting your link for further info even if we don't agree on certain points of view.

“Aurea mediocritas ”

Since: Feb 08

Grand Rapids, MI

#18 Nov 16, 2008
Well, baiting or no baiting, hunting is still good and enjoyable.
deer slayer0

Auburn Hills, MI

#19 Nov 26, 2008
I am 37yrs old & have hunted since a young boy.I have killed many deer including some nice bucks which have never been harvested near a bait pile.I put bait down when in my early years & have seen many deer never mature bucks,which is what im after.I understand why so many people are upset but I wish they would look into the facts before flapping their lips the dnr's hand are tied,this is a series disease that could affect our states deer hunting for many years to come.The baiting ban will be lifted in Jan.Im sure you will be able to throw your money on the ground again next year.Take this season and challenge yourself,these deer we all chase are not as smart as some think.You have to put just a little more time in and just be patient.
Billy

Mount Pleasant, MI

#20 Dec 1, 2008
I have only been hunting with a gun for 6 years, and a bow for 4 years. I have used bait piles in the past, consisting of a couple bags of beets. I am not using bait this year because of the ban. I have killed 9 deer so far, only one of them have been shot over a bait pile. In the past, the mature deer have avoided my piles and gone elsewhere, so I scouted them and changed my stand to get kills,3 deer with a gun, and 6 deer with a bow...It is as simple as that, complaining that a baiting ban with effect your hunting is ridiculous.

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