Let water be water, and keep people away

The bloated St. Johns River is flooding Central Florida. So this might seem an odd time to praise the bloated bureaucracy that oversees it. Full Story
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Worth every wooden nickel

Lakeland, FL

#26 Aug 28, 2008
Brillant wrote:
... I thought you had some new revelation from the title, I find it hard to believe you didnt pat yourself on the back like a previous article you had written on how involved you were back in the day as the whistle blower about this..
I don't know of his whistle-blowing days, and he might not be patting himself on the back right now, but the article does seem to carry forth a bureaucratic brown nosing theme.
There's a place for people, then There is a place for Mike.
grass roots

Austin, TX

#27 Aug 28, 2008
just one question no one likes to talk about. why oh why is the aftermath of floods that hit florida from storms so different than floods in new orleans that everyone condemned the gov't for NOT doing enough. We floridians seem to take care of ourselves in a calm organized manner during the disaster, and now everyone is SO CONCERNED that New Orleans may get hit again!. give me a break. they re-elected the primary person (their horrible mayor)responsible for the Katrina mess, and I'm sorry to say, but they deserve whatever happens. RESPONSIBILITY people! quit the crying and expect gov't to bail you out and start looking to the aid and help as just that..aid, charity, and support, not something that is automatic and expected.
Contrary

Winter Springs, FL

#28 Aug 28, 2008
We're being hosed without even a reach around by the insurance companies who jack up their rates to the rest of us to bail out the idiots that build on the sand and the coast and in swamps. We furthermore get hosed when our Governor and his legislators pass laws subsidizing that Citizens insurance by adding surcharges to every one's insurance bill in the State.
DaNangMarine68

Huntsville, AL

#29 Aug 28, 2008
In 1964 we had back to back hurricanes, Cleo and Dora. The net result of both of those hurricanes was that the St. Johns river rose up to the paved portion of highway 46 where it is now closed. This is not a 100 year event, it is a natural phenomena, it has been going on for centuries. The flood plain of the St Johns is a cleansing and filtering area for the river. In 1964 the river rose up 6' on the side of building located where SR44 crosses the river. I expect it to be higher this time.

It amazes me how the housing industry convinced thousands of home buyers that a retention pond with no viable overflow protection was waterfront property. They then demanded and got top dollar for those retention pond lots. Blame the developers and blame your local planning and zoning committees that adopted the "It's their property and they can do what they want with it." for this current situation. The homeowner shares some of the blame. If you are shopping for a home and notice that it is lower than all of the other properties around you, you are in a flood plain irregardless of what the money grubbing developer is telling you.

About 10 years ago I went on the Spring Parade of Homes looking at many new homes in the DeBary area and it scared me. How does a contractor get a permit to build on a residential lot where half of it is a sink hole. The whole area was a disaster waiting to happen as I saw a lot of elevation changes with no adequate water runoff capability.

City Government should not be held responsible for consumer stupidity. Taxpayers should not have to shoulder the burden for this same stupidity.

Semper Fi

MJDDJM

Miami, FL

#30 Aug 28, 2008
Water will do what water wants to do in the end.
No force can or will prevent it, when will we learn this???
That's why we have "floods", if it goes where it wants we'll have less "floods"
MJDDJM

Miami, FL

#31 Aug 28, 2008
Pooh Bah wrote:
Yeah, that's right. We've known it all along, it just doesn't fit the Greed-Meisters' development plans. Meanwhile, when we let water be water, the critters come visiting. I spotted a water moccasin the other day... in my driveway!
That just means your driveway is too close to his home!!!!
MOVE!!!
MJDDJM

Miami, FL

#32 Aug 28, 2008
Matthew wrote:
Florida insurance companies that have to pay off on some of these flood homes should do so with ONE requirement - that they not be rebuilt. Homeowners need to take the payoff and go buy a home outside of the flood plains - like smart people have done.
No, that makes sense!!!
Mojo

Winter Park, FL

#33 Aug 28, 2008
Liberals Hate Facts wrote:
Prior to the 'evil flood control', the water tables around Kissimmee could fluctuate as much as 10' in a given year. Now they only move about 3'. That doesn't sound like a step 'backwards' to me.....
No it sounds like a drought....
Chris

Orlando, FL

#34 Aug 28, 2008
Dumb Dumb Doggie wrote:
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But you should know that all new development requires water retnetion areas wich reatain and treat storm water.
New developments, yes. But only 1 inch or runoff or so, then everything else is....well let's put it this way. I always analyze the 25 year and 100 year storm. However, with small developments (under 40 acres or so) it's not required. At most usually only the 25 year storm is required to be looked at.

Technically the 100 year storm should be accomidated in landlocked areas but I don't think it's enforced in most areas.
Chris

Orlando, FL

#35 Aug 28, 2008
grass roots wrote:
just one question no one likes to talk about. why oh why is the aftermath of floods that hit florida from storms so different than floods in new orleans that everyone condemned the gov't for NOT doing enough. We floridians seem to take care of ourselves in a calm organized manner during the disaster, and now everyone is SO CONCERNED that New Orleans may get hit again!. give me a break. they re-elected the primary person (their horrible mayor)responsible for the Katrina mess, and I'm sorry to say, but they deserve whatever happens. RESPONSIBILITY people! quit the crying and expect gov't to bail you out and start looking to the aid and help as just that..aid, charity, and support, not something that is automatic and expected.
You're an idiot. The people in DeBary can go down the street to the Holiday Inn. The people in New Orleans had to get to Baton Rouge or so, and to do that they had to deal with cops from neighboring parishes threatening them.
Frank

Deltona, FL

#36 Aug 28, 2008
Liberals Hate Facts wrote:
Prior to the 'evil flood control', the water tables around Kissimmee could fluctuate as much as 10' in a given year. Now they only move about 3'. That doesn't sound like a step 'backwards' to me.....
That's because you have the thinking skills of a poodle.

Since: Mar 08

Lake Mary, FL

#37 Aug 31, 2008
Mojo wrote:
<quoted text>No it sounds like a drought....
Uh. No. It's called 'water management'.

Furthermore, if a state, which gets almost FIVE FEET of annual rain fall, can't manage to hold onto enough to stay alive....then the rest of the country is doomed!

Since: Mar 08

Lake Mary, FL

#38 Aug 31, 2008
Frank wrote:
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That's because you have the thinking skills of a poodle.
Thank you so much for digging deep into your expansive well of knowledge and understanding, and finding something to add to this thread. I sincerely appreciate the in-depth thoughts of magnanimously intelligent people like yourself.

let me guess....you're registered to vote and probably will to huh?

Marvelous.
Mojo

Winter Park, FL

#39 Sep 2, 2008
Liberals Hate Facts wrote:
<quoted text>Uh. No. It's called 'water management'.
Furthermore, if a state, which gets almost FIVE FEET of annual rain fall, can't manage to hold onto enough to stay alive....then the rest of the country is doomed!
OK, it's water management, obviously not the best, perhaps bad water mangement as demonstrated by the events at hand and their effects. Now about the paranoia of the entire country being doomed because of localized flooding around a lake, in a swamp?! Can you flesh out this forecast of doom a little better? I want to understand this one... Very melodramatic, however not very well founded, but truly worthy of a prom queen. bizous!

Since: Mar 08

Lake Mary, FL

#40 Sep 2, 2008
Mojo wrote:
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OK, it's water management, obviously not the best, perhaps bad water mangement as demonstrated by the events at hand and their effects. Now about the paranoia of the entire country being doomed because of localized flooding around a lake, in a swamp?! Can you flesh out this forecast of doom a little better? I want to understand this one... Very melodramatic, however not very well founded, but truly worthy of a prom queen. bizous!
I would surmize, that florida ranks in the top half-dozen mainland states in annual rainfall.
If this state, as explained, cannot manage its water any better than this, then the rest of the country must really be sucking wind!
Mojo

Winter Park, FL

#41 Sep 2, 2008
Liberals Hate Facts wrote:
<quoted text>I would surmize, that florida ranks in the top half-dozen mainland states in annual rainfall.
If this state, as explained, cannot manage its water any better than this, then the rest of the country must really be sucking wind!
Great insight there. Keep on home-schooling!

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