Let water be water, and keep people away

Full story: Orlando Sentinel

The bloated St. Johns River is flooding Central Florida. So this might seem an odd time to praise the bloated bureaucracy that oversees it.
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Brillant

Altamonte Springs, FL

#1 Aug 28, 2008
Geez Thomas youve solved all the problems in the 5 min. it must have taken you to write this article. I thought you had some new revelation from the title, I find it hard to believe you didnt pat yourself on the back like a previous article you had written on how involved you were back in the day as the whistle blower about this. Its great you love the river but I doubt it matters to all those yankees buying up land in the natural watershed that is deltona and the SJR bottoms, or the devolopers making all the money off of it, or the city,county and state leadership that are lining thier pockets with devolpers money.
ajn

United States

#2 Aug 28, 2008
Tell it to the Dutch.
Diogenes

Houston, TX

#3 Aug 28, 2008
I must say your article makes sense. But why does it stop here?

I get disgusted when I read about our tax money being wasted on the thousands upon thousands of yards of sand that is carried by trucks to the beaches after hurricanes or other bad storms.

Humans built a port and added a jetty. Then they claim the jettyis messing up the natural water flow and causing the beach to erode. So why can't the problem be fixed by redesign of the jetty, assuming it can't be removed? Who knows. If the people responsible for building it don't know then I certainly don't.

And why allow houses, condos, hotels and other structures to be built so close to the water that they can't withstand natural changes in the beach? The beach has been here for thousands of years and if you leave it alone it will be here for many more thousands.

Our problems with beach erosion are not caused by storms. They are caused by greed for money and the total disregard for the environment.

It's a good point Mike's making. Don't build within the highest point that water can reach.
Grandma Fudd

Winter Springs, FL

#4 Aug 28, 2008
The ONLY logical answer to all of this is to set up a State trust to reclaim these parcels of land as they become evident from their present owners and to absolutely prohibit rebuilding and repair and re-occupying of these homes and streets etc. It is INSANE to watch insurance companies and FEMA go into these places again and put tens of millions of dollars into drying out and replacing water damaged floors and walls and carpets, etc. and allowing people to move right back in when everyone, even Democrats, realize that before you hardly get a coat of paint on them, come next hurricane, you will be right back where you are now. STOP THE MADNESS NOW.
Pooh Bah

Hopkinsville, KY

#5 Aug 28, 2008
Yeah, that's right. We've known it all along, it just doesn't fit the Greed-Meisters' development plans. Meanwhile, when we let water be water, the critters come visiting. I spotted a water moccasin the other day... in my driveway!
Chris

Orlando, FL

#6 Aug 28, 2008
Fudd-Democrats? Who socalized the state insurance program so we could subsidize those living on the beach? I think that was a republican gov. and legislature. Same in Mississippi after Katrina and NC after Hugo. The only difference is the houses (or condos, in MS) have gotten even larger and more expensive since they know they will be bailed out now.

I think some of those homes in Debary should be condemmed and turned into a park.
King Whitey

Knoxville, TN

#7 Aug 28, 2008
You mean like New Orleans?

According to your theory there should not be a city there either.

Or Vegas, or Denver, or Key West, or the space station

That is what man does. Overcome obstacles you wienie
Palm Bay Reader

Palm Bay, FL

#8 Aug 28, 2008
Finally, it's beginning to sink in that nature and our environment IS an important issue and not just the ramblings of a few misguided liberals. Funny thing is that those who are up in arms about the floods ruining their expensive water front homes and their claim that the govt. isn't doing anything are those who are less inclined to support environmental protection issues - That is until it threatens their precious possessions.
Mike

Deltona, FL

#9 Aug 28, 2008
"According to your theory there should not be a city there either."

Uh, well, no there shouldn't be. I think the evidence is pretty clear about that.
Unless you want the federal government to spend untold billions building a monster dike around the place..

Wasn't aware Vegas and Denver were in a flood plain.
Mike

Deltona, FL

#10 Aug 28, 2008
Haha. Our spam filters won't let me write d..e.
So I'll substitute "monster levee.''
Still waiting

Hartford, CT

#11 Aug 28, 2008
King Whitey wrote:
You mean like New Orleans?
According to your theory there should not be a city there either.
Or Vegas, or Denver, or Key West, or the space station
That is what man does. Overcome obstacles you wienie
When has anyone ever worried about Las Vegas, Denver, Key West or the ISS flooding? I don't think your analogy is on point.
Steve Barnes SSWCD

Winter Park, FL

#13 Aug 28, 2008
You are right, Mike. But buying up land along the St. johns hasn't been enough to keep the river from overflowing its banks.
Part of the problem is that rain falling on urban areas is funneled by ditches and culverts into the St. Johns. Before we covered those areas with asphalt and homes, much of that rain would have soaked into the ground, replenishing the Floridan Aquifer. Now, it runs into the river, flooding neighborhoods downstream.
The irony is that the same issues, overdevelopment and poor planning, are responsible for both the long-term problems with the Floridan Aquifer and the current flooding.
We can and must do better.
Steve Barnes
Group 2 Supervisor,
Seminole Soil and Water Conservation District
Hahahahahahaha

Lake Mary, FL

#14 Aug 28, 2008
Mike wrote:
Haha. Our spam filters won't let me write d..e.
So I'll substitute "monster levee.''
No, Mike, according to Robin Williams, the term isn't "monster levee," it's "women in comfortable shoes."
Yea Right

Orlando, FL

#15 Aug 28, 2008
If you choose to live near/next to a body of water do not expect us the TAX payers to bail you out every time the water gets high.. This is the risk you take for enjoying the lake/pond or river...Most of us do not enjoy this privilege.. So do not cry when you get wet and the same thing goes for the beach front hhome owners..If your sub-division flooded and should not have go after the people responsible and wring them out..
King Whitey

Knoxville, TN

#16 Aug 28, 2008
Still waiting wrote:
<quoted text>
When has anyone ever worried about Las Vegas, Denver, Key West or the ISS flooding? I don't think your analogy is on point.
The point is there are locations in this country that at one point seem un-inhabitable

Do you ski? Do you think building a lodge on a mountain is natural?

Have you been to the keys? They build on stilts because they know the water rises.

Have you been to Vegas? It is a desert yet they have lush lawns.

The only reason any part of Florida is inhabited today is because of advances in air conditioning and insect repellent.

Man overcomes obstacles
Mojo

Winter Park, FL

#17 Aug 28, 2008
ajn wrote:
Tell it to the Dutch.
Exactly. Florida numbskulls, how many floods will it take? Polders. I'm glad that a Dutch company that builds seawalls was one of the first private firms to offer assistance to NOLA after Katrina. They will fix the dikes and levees.

While we leave Florida to the ACOE...guess where the floods will occur in the future?

Since: Mar 08

Lake Mary, FL

#18 Aug 28, 2008
Prior to the 'evil flood control', the water tables around Kissimmee could fluctuate as much as 10' in a given year. Now they only move about 3'. That doesn't sound like a step 'backwards' to me.....
King Whitey

Knoxville, TN

#20 Aug 28, 2008
denhunter wrote:
I really think that Thomas just hates people. He is one of these talented, unhappy people who never pass a chance to stick a barb at a human, bemoaing their existence as an impediment to his desire to walk alone in the world.
He's creepy, I tell you. I bet he has a lot of cats and dreamcatchers hanging all over his house.
HA HA just what I thought! Dream catchers are so white trash.

I always picture an Indian selling white people that garbage and just laughing at them in the back of the store.
TheKraut

United States

#24 Aug 28, 2008
King Whitey wrote:
You mean like New Orleans?
According to your theory there should not be a city there either.
Or Vegas, or Denver, or Key West, or the space station
That is what man does. Overcome obstacles you wienie
And you take the water ment for florida and use it to grow your cotten whitey
Matthew

Ocoee, FL

#25 Aug 28, 2008
Florida insurance companies that have to pay off on some of these flood homes should do so with ONE requirement - that they not be rebuilt. Homeowners need to take the payoff and go buy a home outside of the flood plains - like smart people have done.

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