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#21
Jan 18, 2013
 
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WAKE UP!!!!!-I'm posting this to EXPOSE this FACT, and HOPEFULLY get some more debate on the SOURCE of the PROBLEM:In 1957 there were over 500,000
institutionalized in State Mental Institutions and we had reasonable involuntary commitment laws. We had no modern "gun control" laws, could buy your M1 Carbine through the mail along with all the 30 round magazines you wanted- yet mass random shootings were NOT a national issue!!! Was 1957 America a police state? Doctors and judges made the decision who to keep in the loony bin, and they could not get out until they were no longer a threat to self or a public threat. You still had the rights to a lawyer and judge to prove your sanity and get out if there was no basis for the decision.
Today we have emptied and closed the State Mental Institutions, created the homeless population, made involuntary commitment impossible until AFTER you commit a crime- and then try and blame guns for the actions of the mental patients!!! Jared Laughner- parents tried to get him help at least twice but were turned down for la#$%$ insurance, neighbors said he would ride around on his bike talking to himself, school said he was unbalanced- in the PAST he would have been institutionalized long before he shot Gabby based on his obvious illness! Virginia Tech- school teachers said he was unbalanced- in the PAST he would have been institutionalized based on his obvious behavior!!! Colorado- His college psychiatrist was so alarmed by Holmes that she had him banned from the campus, but nothing else. In the PAST- she could have had him involuntarily committed BEFORE he hurt anyone!!! What was even the POINT of him trying to get help from the psychiatrist when all she did was ban him from the school???!!! Even Charles Whitman in 1966, the first of these crazed m#$%$hooters warned authorities before hand by seeking help from Texas University's school psychiatrist- repeatedly! He had severe migraine headaches and extreme anger that HE knew was irrational, turned out he had a BRAIN TUMOR- discovered AFTER his death!!! He even told his psychiatrist he was fantasizing about shooting people from the tower!!! If his school psychiatrist had remotely done his job he would have gotten the help he sought. To this day Texas University won't release all of Whitman's medical records, claiming the deceased "right to privacy"- so the school won't be SUED!!!! Newtown CT- Mother was so scared of her son she told sitters not to turn their ba#$%$ on him even if they went to the bathroom, was in the process of involuntary commitment, but with him not having committed a crime involuntary commitment is virtually impossible and there is no where to send him. 40 years ago he would have been institutionalized in a State Mental Institution based on his behavior. You know where the largest State Mental Institution in Connecticut is? NEWTOWN- its been CLOSED for DECADES! This is NOT a "gun control" issue!
Recently we had a scare of the Mallady escapee that was convicted of murder by insanity. Laws have changed in that under this conviction (that Mallady received) they are only committed under 24 hour supervision in a mental health institution until their medication "cures or controls" their mental issues. At that time they are released to a half way house until their parole date and they time is served. So if a mentally illed (controlled by med's) decides they don't have to take their medicine (I feel fine syndrome) and then relapse and seek revenge on the one's they feel responsible for their short term incarnation how is anyone expected to defend them selves if firearms are banned. No mention of total banning is being expressed but is this the first step? Look at how Britian talked their citizens out of their guns years ago and see if the bells are not ringing close to home http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2010/tle558-201002...
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Jan 18, 2013
 

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realist............ i would rather see that money spent on schools and mental hospitals than billions in forign aid................. yea makes sense
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Jan 19, 2013
 

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We flaunt and parade these misfortune on tv and give criminals ideas. We should never show or publicize how these murders occur take the person that committed the crime somewhere cut their head off. Then you will notice crime like murder will go away. Its to easy to murder someone then be out of jail in a few years. Criminals have to many rights, and its our fault as society for flaunting all this on media. People want to do something to go out in a blaze of glory. So lets have public hangings and execution it will stop promise .

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If you got a splinter in your hand and the doctor immediately wants to amputate your entire arm, what would you do? Amputate or see another doctor?

This is what the government is trying to do with school violence.

The draconian steps being proposed by law (and forced by executive order) should be the LAST steps taken, if at all.

Look at the causes of school violence:

1. Pre-natal drug abuse that creates crack babies, meth babies, heroin babies, etc. Drugs are a BIG problem in Hickman County. These kids are born with warped logic and ethics and more likely to react to provocation of any kind with violence. Should there be a national database of such babies?

2. Abuse in the home. Another big local problem. Criminals are made, not born. Kick and torture a gentle dog long enough and it turns into a violent animal.

3. Over-prescription of anti-depressants to children. These drugs themselves lead to suicidal and homicidal tendencies in both adults and children.

4. School bullying - probably the most directly related factor to school shootings such as Sandy Hook. School bullying is itself often violent - without guns even being involved.

5. Media hype along with music, TV and movie violence that plants the idea that it's OK to be "cool" as in these movies - Halloween, Friday the 13th, Chain Saw Massacre, etc., etc. Kids are thus brainwashed into thinking it will make you a famous legend - as well as getting revenge. The AR15 assault rifle was NOT used in Sandy Hook but was left in the car, according to police. Media untruths!

6. Lack of religious upbringing in the home. Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook) had a web site declaring himself as Satan.(He also was obsessed with playing a violent video game in the basement for hours on end).

7. The worst school attack in history was carried out by a school board member with a half-ton of dynamite May 18, 1927 in Bath, MI with 45 dead and 58 injured - NOT guns.

8. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with shooting turkeys - but to defend the people from dictatorship and tyranny. The last Bush administration used a form of torure used in the Inquisition (waterboarding).

Picture an extreme-right GOP tyrant rounding up Democrats for torture because of their political beliefs. Liberals need to think about that, just as they should remember Hitler started killing Jews AFTER gun confiscation - no Jews allowed to own guns.

A Democrat dictator could just as easily use the same tactics to round up home schoolers, legitimate militia members, ex-military, or anyone not 'politically correct.'

Globally, dictatorial governments have used gun control as the first step in killing an estimate 100 million to 170 million countrymen.

Learn your history ... or repeat it. While some loopholes allowing criminals to buy guns need to be closed, I think this package goes way too far.

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Jan 19, 2013
 
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If you are from Hickman County I would love to debate you in a public setting. Let me know if interested.
I heartily agree with you. Doesn't anyone remember the local high school science teacher, Don Givens, in 1990, who tried to kill 180 graduating seniors at their rehearsal - not with guns (he did kill the vice principal with a gun when he got caught in the act) but by opening the gas jets in the lab to blow up the whole school.

Had he succeeded, that would have been bvy far the worst school attack in history - the record is 45 dead, 58 injured - again with explosives (1-2 ton of dynamite). And this guy was a school board member and treasurer who was angry because he lost a local election!!

Honor Truth, I would like you to contact me either through Topix or my "Out Back" column in the Hickman County Times. I'm also a columnist at Examiner.com . I think your more accurate view on this need to be more widely spread.

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There are already federal laws outlawing guns around schools. One is called the Gun-Free School Zone Act. And exactly what good has it done? Why pass new laws if you can't enforce the existing ones?

This law just lets crazies know that they are the fox and the school is the defenseless chicken house.

How many school attacks were PREVENTED by armed teachers? Here are a few:

• A 1997 high school shooting in Pearl, Miss. was halted by the school’s vice principal after he retrieved the Colt .45 he kept in his truck.
• A 1998 middle school shooting ended when a man living next door heard gunfire and apprehended the shooter with his shotgun.
• A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school was quickly stopped by an armed teacher and a school guard.
• A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy, Va., came to an abrupt conclusion when students carrying firearms confronted the shooter.
• A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden, Utah, ended when an armed off-duty police officer intervened.
• On the other hand, there were two guards at Columbine High School and they still didn’t stop the murder of 13 students.

And take a look at China, which has some of the most restrictive gun laws on Earth, yet has among the highest school attacks.

What about bullet magazines?

First, magazines of 30 or more are more apt to jam anyway.

Second, how will the proposed law keep a kid, or anyone else, from taking multiple 10-round magazines that can switched out in just a second or two?

Deal with the causes, not just the symptoms.
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Jan 19, 2013
 
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I heartily agree with you. Doesn't anyone remember the local high school science teacher, Don Givens, in 1990, who tried to kill 180 graduating seniors at their rehearsal - not with guns (he did kill the vice principal with a gun when he got caught in the act) but by opening the gas jets in the lab to blow up the whole school.
Had he succeeded, that would have been bvy far the worst school attack in history - the record is 45 dead, 58 injured - again with explosives (1-2 ton of dynamite). And this guy was a school board member and treasurer who was angry because he lost a local election!!
Honor Truth, I would like you to contact me either through Topix or my "Out Back" column in the Hickman County Times. I'm also a columnist at Examiner.com . I think your more accurate view on this need to be more widely spread.
Yes Sir. I will contact you next week and I would like to buy you lunch.
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Jan 19, 2013
 
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Yeah, I like to hold my own to a fault, I suppose. We don't agree about school guards, but I don't want govt. taxing more and spending more on creating another TSA for schools. I also need to clear one other thing. I was not talking about the bullet tumbling in flight. That won't work. It tumbles after hitting a target. That tendency varies according to weight, powder load, twist, etc. See below:
Ok here's the full skinny on .223 / 5.56 NATO bullets. The first prototype M16 rifles had a slower than 1 in 12 twist. The M193 ball projectile being 55 gr. boat tail was a bit unstable in I think it was 1 in 14 twist barrels. So there was a high degree of yaw going on but it really wasn't tumbling in flight.
When these rounds would strike flesh they would indeed tumble easily as they were already a tad unstable in flight. By the time the Gov. issued the M16A1 the twist was 1 in 12 and this did a better job of stabilizing the 55 gr. bt round. But at close range in jungle fighting the 3200 fps or slightly higher out of the 20" barrel caused the bullet to tumble and explode in flesh.
Little know is that all bullets will invert, swap bottom for nose when moving though flesh. Some take longer to flip or tumble than others. Smaller calibers tumble easier especially if going very fast. The shearing forces on the bullet jacket are larger than the jacket material can stand and so the fast moving .223 bullet fragments / explodes into fragments. The higher the speed, the greater the fragmentation and the larger the permanent wound channel is.
http://rkba.org/research/fackler/wrong.html Here you go, a link to Fackler's study on bullet wound ballistics. It will tell you a ton of stuff about what the bullet does. Got some nice drawings that illustrate the effect on tissue.
Realist,

First off I never seen Fackler on any battlefield in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Second The M193 is old! The 5.56 ammuntion used by our military for the last couple decades is the M855 Green Tip. The bullet by itself is considered Armor Piercing (with a steel tip) but the 5.56/223 doesn't have enough energy foot pounds to make the M855 round in the armor piercing class. This round zips right through a body. A quarter inch hole going in and a quarter inch hole coming out. Be careful researching on the internet. Some of it could be dated and some of it is BS. Current "how well something kills" studies by DOD are NOT posted on the internet. LOL
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#29
Jan 20, 2013
 
Honor Truth, I think you know what you are talking about. I'm wondering if you are bragging about your combat experiences or feeling remorse from killing. As far as weapons go, of course I have limited knowledge. On the battlefield, I presume the effectiveness of a weapon has more factors than just foot pounds and velocity. I'm sure the military knows how to make their .223 compare to the AK-47's .30 in effectiveness. But, that's not the issue here.

The AR-15 and similar weapons in the hands of a sociopath or mentally unstable person has far too much killing power. Yeah, we need to keep the weapons out of their hands, but that's not a complete solution.

We can reduce the killing power by limiting the number of rounds, but even multiple clips of 10 rounds would be excessive in the wrong hands. So, that's just part of a solution where every step helps just a little.

We can register guns and ammunition, but that's an inconvenience and a costly system to maintain. But, it might help police track criminal activity.

We can, as a culture, begin to back off from the glorification of violence. Probably won't work in all places and for all people, but surely better morals is a good start.

Others posting here are negative about anything that can be done and just want to opt for adding guns to the other side. Might be a deterrent, but it also opens the door for more guns and weapons to be available for theft, borrowing, and people having emotional breakdowns and becoming violent.

What I have to wonder about is the payoff for those opposing change. Are they more concerned about their own "rights" which really push the extremes of privileges in gun ownership. They want to have what others are denied? They want the government to spend huge sums on other solutions that are probably not very effective? They don't want government to interfere in their lives...just in other peoples' lives?

Honor Truth, if you were military, you followed a strict code of honor and discipline. I remember it too. How do we translate and teach that to others?

Now, back to Hickman County. Are these proposed changes just going to stir up a bunch of redneck country boys who want their guns. How about the other folks here who are a bit smarter about their handling of guns--including high velocity, semi-automatics?

How do we protect the public from violence? In schools? On the streets of cities? From fertilzer bombs?

Somebody, please!
Watchful eye

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Jan 20, 2013
 
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I heartily agree with you. Doesn't anyone remember the local high school science teacher, Don Givens, in 1990, who tried to kill 180 graduating seniors at their rehearsal - not with guns (he did kill the vice principal with a gun when he got caught in the act) but by opening the gas jets in the lab to blow up the whole school.
Had he succeeded, that would have been bvy far the worst school attack in history - the record is 45 dead, 58 injured - again with explosives (1-2 ton of dynamite). And this guy was a school board member and treasurer who was angry because he lost a local election!!
Honor Truth, I would like you to contact me either through Topix or my "Out Back" column in the Hickman County Times. I'm also a columnist at Examiner.com . I think your more accurate view on this need to be more widely spread.
This same Donald Givens has wrote a letter to the editor in the Hickman Times. The address shows Cochrill Bend Prison in Nashville. Interesting reading.
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Jan 20, 2013
 
Watchful eye wrote:
<quoted text>This same Donald Givens has wrote a letter to the editor in the Hickman Times. The address shows Cochrill Bend Prison in Nashville. Interesting reading.
This week's paper?
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Jan 20, 2013
 
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This week's paper?
Yes it will be mailed out tomorrow to subscripers but now at the stores for sale.
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Jan 20, 2013
 
Realist,

I have a hell of a lot of remorse and deal with it every day. I'm not bragging but am pointing out to you that over thirty years of experience that I have in the job that I was in and the job I do now is much more than some REMF that has never been there. If the shoe fits wear it. I DO have a resume to back up my opinions. If you had spent as much time as I have in the life of suck doing the job I was doing in the places I was doing it then you would value your RIGHTS much more than you do now. Those rights when not infringed will keep you free. I wish every US citizen could spend some time in third world countries and see people devastated, raped and murdered with no way to defend themselves. Then you would not call them "so called rights". Much blood as been spilled protecting those rights. De Oppresso Libre
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#34
Jan 21, 2013
 
Omega Report , those are some very interestin facts and all correct I might add, unfortunatly that is not what the media wants folks to see and hear, they enjoy this turmoil in our country as it is, we are divided and unfortunatly the ANTI gun nuts will not look at the facts. They are focused on one thing " NO GUNS" ,these idiots will read them facts and it will not change thier way of thinking.
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Jan 21, 2013
 
Viking you are so correct.

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Jan 29, 2013
 
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Yes Sir. I will contact you next week and I would like to buy you lunch.
Hey, I never heard from you ... still waiting.
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Jan 29, 2013
 
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Hey, I never heard from you ... still waiting.
I sent an email to modems84375. Is that email still valid?
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#38
Feb 28, 2013
 
If somebody like Bama takes my guns- I'm going to be mad - I mean real mad. I like my AK 47 and my 22. If Bama takes them like he has erythang else this country will be roting.

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Feb 3, 2014
 
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Yes Sir. I will contact you next week and I would like to buy you lunch.
A year later and I'm still waiting to hear from you.

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I sent an email to modems84375. Is that email still valid?
modems84375 (at) mypacks.net is correct. I never received it.

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