Village of Ilion Overrides 2% Tax Cap

Dec 16, 2011 Full story: WUTR 12

Governor Cuomo signed into law the 2% property tax cap earlier this year. The goal--to bring relief to residents with high taxes.

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hold on

Syracuse, NY

#1 Dec 19, 2011
There has been alot of discussion both good and bad on what's wrong with Ilion government, the mayor and the 2% Tax Cap. It all boils down to this Ilion residents.

Governor Cuomo signed into law the 2% property tax cap earlier this year. This year! This was done to alleviate the high tax burden on residents with high taxes. This law was not even a year old and the Ilion mayor and village board ignored it and overruled it. The law for an overrule is 60% of a village board must approve of the increase past the 2% cap if the mayor wants it.
This board has now shown no regard for the high tax burden imposed on Ilion residents. It couldn't even wait for one full year to ignore the law and pass a 6% tax increase. I don't know about you but that is blatantly irresponsible for people you have elected to represent you. There was no consideration at all by them to either cut taxes or keep them the same because the board knew it could easily bypass the law with a 60% vote. The mayor said the village is broke. Do you want to be responsible for mismanagement of village taxes? You are as tax payers. Can we continue to afford to pay for an overstaffed payroll with retirement and benefits that few of us outside of a Federal job have?
If this was a responsible village board it would act responsible by laying off the 15 people the mayor said he would have to. It's what any business would do with rising health care and lower revenue. But not Ilion. They will just keep raising taxes because they know they can unchecked. And that burden will keep going to the homeowners who are a part of a shrinking tax base.

Did you receive a raise this year? Do you have your medical deductible reimbursed? Do have a funded retirement plan from your employer? Do you earn between (on average)$55,000 a year for 40 hours or less? Do you earn that $55,000 a year without a college education? Are you happy to own your house where the number of tax payers is going down and the number of renters and tax exempt properties is going up? You are getting it stuck to you as being responsible for funding the tax burden because of the fiscal crisis in Ilion.
Ilion employees, the mayor and the board don't have to answer to the bottom line and putting out a product to meet expenses when they run out of money. They raise your taxes and bypass a state law to help you.
As the shareholders of this village, I'd be damn pissed at the cost of running this village in the red and the lack of constraint in raising taxes. You deserve better...
Total recall

Ilion, NY

#2 Dec 19, 2011
To vote to raise taxes prior to budget review for the fiscal year is total incompetence and deriliction of duty, The Mayor and entire Board should be re-called or impeached.
Take action

Ilion, NY

#3 Dec 19, 2011
hold on wrote:
There has been alot of discussion both good and bad on what's wrong with Ilion government, the mayor and the 2% Tax Cap. It all boils down to this Ilion residents.
Governor Cuomo signed into law the 2% property tax cap earlier this year. This year! This was done to alleviate the high tax burden on residents with high taxes. This law was not even a year old and the Ilion mayor and village board ignored it and overruled it. The law for an overrule is 60% of a village board must approve of the increase past the 2% cap if the mayor wants it.
This board has now shown no regard for the high tax burden imposed on Ilion residents. It couldn't even wait for one full year to ignore the law and pass a 6% tax increase. I don't know about you but that is blatantly irresponsible for people you have elected to represent you. There was no consideration at all by them to either cut taxes or keep them the same because the board knew it could easily bypass the law with a 60% vote. The mayor said the village is broke. Do you want to be responsible for mismanagement of village taxes? You are as tax payers. Can we continue to afford to pay for an overstaffed payroll with retirement and benefits that few of us outside of a Federal job have?
If this was a responsible village board it would act responsible by laying off the 15 people the mayor said he would have to. It's what any business would do with rising health care and lower revenue. But not Ilion. They will just keep raising taxes because they know they can unchecked. And that burden will keep going to the homeowners who are a part of a shrinking tax base.
Did you receive a raise this year? Do you have your medical deductible reimbursed? Do have a funded retirement plan from your employer? Do you earn between (on average)$55,000 a year for 40 hours or less? Do you earn that $55,000 a year without a college education? Are you happy to own your house where the number of tax payers is going down and the number of renters and tax exempt properties is going up? You are getting it stuck to you as being responsible for funding the tax burden because of the fiscal crisis in Ilion.
Ilion employees, the mayor and the board don't have to answer to the bottom line and putting out a product to meet expenses when they run out of money. They raise your taxes and bypass a state law to help you.
As the shareholders of this village, I'd be damn pissed at the cost of running this village in the red and the lack of constraint in raising taxes. You deserve better...
Back up your words with action and start a recall vote! I remember during the Gilmartin Administartion certain citizens wrote weekly editorials, picketed, and attended Village Board Meetings to bring about a successful leadership change. The mantle needs to be passed and picked up by others in an effort to show elected officials it is not the same old few who are disgruntled. If this is aloud to stand you can be assured that your already devalued propoerty is further eroded and your net spending capacity shrunk.
In return you will assist to maintain a wasteful and inefficient government. Be assured there are citizens that can propose a less than 2% increase and still maintain top quality services.
THe problem is they are not sitting in an elected or influential position, nor consulted by the current Board.Bottom line a select few are telling us to shut up, bend over, and take it!
Flood gates are opening

Ilion, NY

#4 Dec 21, 2011
A seven percent tax increase is nothing compared to what is in store for your water rates in the up coming budgets.This is after an 11.5% rate increase two years ago.Retirement payouts are coming due soon!
Taxpayers and rate payers can you her the drip, drip, drip, of your hard earned income going down the drain, and into the pockets of people in their mid fifties retiring at your expense, with full paid medical benefits, while you have to work propably into you are physically incapable? This is not class warfare, but rather madness!
Nothing against the employees, take what they( politicians) are willing to give, and they will continue to be in a giving mood as long as you support their re-election. Of course you already have that figured out. Good for you, and shame on the rest of us.
island of misfit toys

Ilion, NY

#5 Dec 24, 2011
When the ball drops at this years holiday's in Ilion celebrations, let it be a reminder that this administartion is great at "dropping the ball", and that this symbolizes a drop in the amount of your hard earned paycheck you keep going into 2012.
Come May we will soon see that 2% is so minimal. As the Mayor stated this doesn't even cover the increase in retirement benefits or compensation Insurance increases.
We still have lawsuits to pay for, wages and benefits,Water improvements, roads, new vehicles to purchase.You people just don't understand how hard it is to run a government and provide public services and keep promises to family,friends, Unions, and political supporters.Assuring that their lifestyles(public employment)will continue.
Show some compassion.(LOL)
lost souls

New York, NY

#6 Dec 24, 2011
island of misfit toys wrote:
When the ball drops at this years holiday's in Ilion celebrations, let it be a reminder that this administartion is great at "dropping the ball", and that this symbolizes a drop in the amount of your hard earned paycheck you keep going into 2012.
Come May we will soon see that 2% is so minimal. As the Mayor stated this doesn't even cover the increase in retirement benefits or compensation Insurance increases.
We still have lawsuits to pay for, wages and benefits,Water improvements, roads, new vehicles to purchase.You people just don't understand how hard it is to run a government and provide public services and keep promises to family,friends, Unions, and political supporters.Assuring that their lifestyles(public employment)will continue.
Show some compassion.(LOL)
I think you might be confused on the Worers Compensation issue. The comp isurance is not increasing, this was a lawsuit that was started back in 2005? and has just been decided by the courts. The current board had no idea what the outcome would be.

I think you should not have been so sarcastic with your post because your points are right on until you threw in the things like the promises to family, friends, and unions. It has been posted on here before that people should get ALL the information before making a decision or posting on here but as always most of you don't and just throw junk out there that is not true.
Big picture

Ilion, NY

#8 Dec 26, 2011
What affect if any,will the proposed school merger have on property taxes? The merger study says very little if anything regarding the need for increased or decreased governmental services as a result of these changes. Will there be increased vehicle and pedestriann traffic resulting in the need for improvements, or sooner than necessary repairs? How about the affects on public utilities greater or less demand? Will these changes lead to a dramatic population shift or change in the value of current properties. How will local business be affected?Will there be a need for greater police presents in the area's seeing a dramitic increase in student populations?
Many of the the proponets of the merger speak of the anticipated savings, but perhaps these savings are being offset by the potential increases in taxes.
The taxpayers funds all of this,the penny or dollar comes out of the same pocket. It is crucial that we understand how this merger may affect these municipalties and for all to realize that an increase in spending in one area of government has an effect on the other.
THis is the reason and intent of the 2% propert tax increase. with out a balance of taxes, cuts, eliminating excess, waste, and inefficiencies our collective vissions of a better education for our children, and better public services will not be achieved or substainable.
All governments need to do their due diligence. As residents and taxpayers, we need equal dilegence in holding those elected and entrusted to account
For those in favor of the merger this means you should be equally vocal, enthusaistic and concerned in what goes on in you localpub lic governments. Every muniicpal or county tax increase further erodes the support by many for increased spending in education whether warranted or not.If 12 police officers can provide the same or adequate service that the current 18 do, wouldn't you much rather have the tax payers ( your) funds used for AP courses , music, and other educational opportunities. Even though the budgets and expenses are seperate the revenue's come from the same pockets; you and I.
After a merger of the school districts lets seek a full merger of the 4 seperate muiicpalities, the same economic and financial rules and savings apply as.
The definition of sick is

Ilion, NY

#9 Dec 27, 2011
Govenor Chris Christi of New Jersey has been actively speaking out regarding how many public contracts and benefits are bankrupting States and local communities. One of the many exhorbant benefits is the accumulation and pay out of sick days. This benefits is paid to Teachers, Firefighters, and many other public employees; most can accumualte 12 to 18 sick days or more per year.
Full daily rate of pay( at the time of retirement) multiplied by 180-200 days and in some cases unlimited is paid out on top of all other retirement benfits.New Jersey according to Christi paid out 845 million dollars in these benfits for 2011 alone! THe City of Newark with one of the nations worst educational systems, as far as graduation rate paid out 4 million this year.
Locally this benefit is having similar results, ading a very heavy burdsen to already difficult and challenging budgets. on the village municpal level it has been quoted that a 3to 4% increase in property taxes is needed just to pay for the State mandatory retirement benefits(pensions). How much of these budgets and increases are associated with Health insurance and the pay out of the sick day benefits. The true answer will come in May.
Govenor Christi says it the best when he states, "sick days are for when you are sick.THe reward one should get for not being sick is good health."
Time to stop these excessive benfits and utilize the savings for relif upon the tax payers or as many of these recipiants profess," for the children"
Right to alter or abolish

Ilion, NY

#10 Dec 27, 2011
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

These words and atrocisities, as the language of the document itself professes can and should be applied to ALL forms of government, Federal and local:The list was left out purposefully so that each individual can refelct, and develop such list on the Village level.

THese words are a timeless treasure, and would be a perfect introduction for change or dissolution of our current local government, and listing of grievances and atrocities.

Exceeding the 2% cap could be one of many in a long list, have at it.
Managing risk

Oneida, NY

#11 Dec 27, 2011
I purchased my house in Ilion in August 1972 full asking price $13,500.00: My monthly mortgage payment including property taxes and home owners insurance $80.00. When I paid off my mortgage 20 years later, monthly payment was $255.00-my assessment value had increased, therefore my taxes and insurance increased. My mortgage payment did not increase due to a fixed rate of interest on the loan. My point being, my investment/home has increased in value from $13,500 over the years, unlike a vehicle, so I expected to pay more for the same services I have received since 1972.
Also, I expect when I am ready, to sell my home for more than I invested in 1972 but realize that due to the heavy tax burden @ the time of a sale and tax increases over the life of a new mortgage, I most likely would not be able to afford to live in and maintain my home. Take a look @ your neighborhoods-the curb appeal is a good indication of what is happening-conditions of the neighborhoods is not very positive, indicating that is is difficult to maintain properties, more non-owner occupied propeties, poor code enforcement, etc.(these are my opinions) Consolidation is the most logical way to insure that our Seniors can stay in our homes and still contribute to our communities. Enough said.
Control our destiny

Ilion, NY

#12 Dec 28, 2011
Since Wisconsin Governor Walker's public employee refoms have been initiated and taken effect, the State is now in the black, has a balanced budget, and the majority of taxes in Counties, Cities, and other localities have remained the same or gone down. New York's Governor Cuomo has enacted similair reforms with a two percent property tax cap, reduction in State School aid, and sought other wage consessions from government workers and obtaining similar results. By reduced spending in the highest percentage of budgetary allocations(public employee wages, benefits, and retirments) positive results for the tax payer were achieved.
Here in the village the current administration is bucking the growingand popular state and national trend by increasing or maintaining the staus quo and employee benfits, with the result being further tax increases. This will ultimately lead to major layoffs. The state constitutional tax and indebtedness limits will be reached quickly at these current and projectd increased rates, and presently, the Village Board and Mayor will not be able to overide or rescind these laws. The tax payer has two choices, allow spending to increase and exceed these limits, forcing increased risk of bankruptcy and state takeover of local government, or demand that elected officials prepare and take action now.
The people( residents and taxpayers) need to take control of their destiny and not allow unions and public employees, many of whom do not reside in the village to rob our future.
Call or write the Mayor and Trustees and tell them you are mad as Hell, and demand that they excercise diligence and prudence in formulating budgets, and tax increases at this time of economic turmoil are unacceptable. Tell them if they are not up to the job to resign and allow others to come forward who can. Our future is at stake, and to allow ego's,incompetence,and selfish union loyalties to rule,will mean the demise of our small community as we have known it.
Good to be last

Ilion, NY

#13 Dec 29, 2011
I guess Herkimer and Ilion's idea of shared services is to both screw the tax payers by overiding the cap. Just another in a series of negative demographics and staistics that potential developers, businesses, and homeowners will review and stay away.

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