Court: Oklahoma 10 Commandments Display Is Religious

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A federal appeals court in Denver rules that a Ten Commandments monument outside the Haskell County, Oklahoma, courthouse endorses religion.

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slimjim

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The court would outlaw Jesus, today because of his religous affiliation. Lets look at the decisions the court has made in the last fifty years. Why is crime so prevelant and why are criminals so plentiful.
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Good for that commissioner. Another example of a sick society's attempts to push God out and ignore the simple truth. They'll surely be held to account.
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slimjim wrote:
The court would outlaw Jesus, today because of his religous affiliation. Lets look at the decisions the court has made in the last fifty years. Why is crime so prevelant and why are criminals so plentiful.
If Jesus were alive today, he wouldn't be mixing government with religion like we do. He would know the different roles each plays and he would be disappointed by what some Christians think is the right thing to do.

There are plenty of religious people committing crimes. Decisions of "the court" (whichever that may be) in the last 50 years have nothing to do with whatever crappy connection you are trying to make between your great savior JEBUS and increased crime. Give me a break. Don't a lot of crazy religious folks say abstinence is the best sex education? Then when their daughter gets knocked up, there is another teenage mother who isn't ready to be a parent... and another kid with a life of missed opportunities staring them right in the eyes. You could blame that one on religion if you like.. where's the positive connection there?

The ten commandments may make 75% of Oklahomans feel warm and fuzzy when they see them, but they don't belong in our government buildings. You can wait til you get home to lather yourself up with the ten commandments if it makes you feel better, or if you think you are really righteous you may even be able to wait until Sunday. The very reason people CAME to America was for religious freedom. Why do you think it's your right to say what everyone's religion is supposed to be?

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somebody is legislating from the bench again. having a monument on the ground is not pushing a national religion. If it was muslim their would be not one argument. The ACLU and the communist that back them know the only way for them to win is to get god out of our government, schools and laws.
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Here is the deal. If you put up a ten commandments monument you have to allow ALL religions and beliefs to put up a monument. I believe and all but what is evenutally going to happen is every religion will be able to put up a monument. Will the Christians fight the Wiccians or Islamists or Satanists if they want to put a monument? I can pretty much guarantee you that the would. Then the other religions will get to say that the Christians put a monument up, why can't we? I think the best way to go about this is to just leave it alone and just don't put anything up.
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I doubt, that God is worried.
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If it were a Muslim monument in the same location as that Christian monument, I would be willing to bet that they would have the same argument. We have gigantic religious monuments all over the place around here, they're called churches, synagogues, and mosques. There is no reason to have one in, on, or around a government building.
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Well, I guess this will be a prelude to the duma*s*s legislators in this state with their statue on the capitol grounds in OKC.
They don't need to put the sign up for the rest of us....they are the POS' that screw the state and all of us residents. I hope each of them have the words of wisdom on their desks in the capitol. They probably have the Playboy Bunny of the Year holographed so they can see the bunny in different poses, states of dress/undress, exercising, etc. Teehee. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ACLU!!! WHOHOO!!
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"Court: Oklahoma 10 Commandments Display Is Religious
A federal appeals court in Denver rules that a Ten Commandments monument outside the Haskell County, Oklahoma, courthouse endorses religion. "

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That's ok. it'll be overturned at the Supreme Court.

See the below case, which is controlling precedent!

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1500...
Reasonable Legal Mind

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jonesy67 wrote:
Well, I guess this will be a prelude to the duma*s*s legislators in this state with their statue on the capitol grounds in OKC.
They don't need to put the sign up for the rest of us....they are the POS' that screw the state and all of us residents. I hope each of them have the words of wisdom on their desks in the capitol. They probably have the Playboy Bunny of the Year holographed so they can see the bunny in different poses, states of dress/undress, exercising, etc. Teehee. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ACLU!!! WHOHOO!!
Sorry you're filled w/so much hate.

not ACLUe is up against the wall in this one. Don't believe me?

Read this:
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

No. 03—1500
THOMAS VAN ORDEN, PETITIONER v. RICK PERRY,
in his official capacity as GOVERNOR OF TEXAS
and CHAIRMAN, STATE PRESERVATION
BOARD, et al.
ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT

[June 27, 2005]

Chief Justice Rehnquist announced the judgment of the Court and delivered an opinion, in which Justice Scalia, Justice Kennedy, and Justice Thomas join.

The question here is whether the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment allows the display of a monument inscribed with the Ten Commandments on the Texas State Capitol grounds. We hold that it does.

Silly appellate judges ...

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1500...
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Terry wrote:
Here is the deal. If you put up a ten commandments monument you have to allow ALL religions and beliefs to put up a monument. I believe and all but what is evenutally going to happen is every religion will be able to put up a monument. Will the Christians fight the Wiccians or Islamists or Satanists if they want to put a monument? I can pretty much guarantee you that the would. Then the other religions will get to say that the Christians put a monument up, why can't we? I think the best way to go about this is to just leave it alone and just don't put anything up.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1500...
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Eric wrote:
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If Jesus were alive today, he wouldn't be mixing government with religion like we do. He would know the different roles each plays and he would be disappointed by what some Christians think is the right thing to do.
There are plenty of religious people committing crimes. Decisions of "the court" (whichever that may be) in the last 50 years have nothing to do with whatever crappy connection you are trying to make between your great savior JEBUS and increased crime. Give me a break. Don't a lot of crazy religious folks say abstinence is the best sex education? Then when their daughter gets knocked up, there is another teenage mother who isn't ready to be a parent... and another kid with a life of missed opportunities staring them right in the eyes. You could blame that one on religion if you like.. where's the positive connection there?
The ten commandments may make 75% of Oklahomans feel warm and fuzzy when they see them, but they don't belong in our government buildings. You can wait til you get home to lather yourself up with the ten commandments if it makes you feel better, or if you think you are really righteous you may even be able to wait until Sunday. The very reason people CAME to America was for religious freedom. Why do you think it's your right to say what everyone's religion is supposed to be?
Well Eric, I guess that the swearing in of people in court rooms and using the Bible is out of the question any more in your response and not appropriate. While we are at it I guess we are gonna need you to return any and all US currency that you have been paid with for services rendered while here in the good ole US of A. Can't have you getting upset with our government for Having "In God We Trust" printed on those. Not enough seperation from religion and state/government.
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Eric wrote:
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If Jesus were alive today, he wouldn't be mixing government with religion like we do. He would know the different roles each plays and he would be disappointed by what some Christians think is the right thing to do.
There are plenty of religious people committing crimes. Decisions of "the court" (whichever that may be) in the last 50 years have nothing to do with whatever crappy connection you are trying to make between your great savior JEBUS and increased crime. Give me a break. Don't a lot of crazy religious folks say abstinence is the best sex education? Then when their daughter gets knocked up, there is another teenage mother who isn't ready to be a parent... and another kid with a life of missed opportunities staring them right in the eyes. You could blame that one on religion if you like.. where's the positive connection there?
The ten commandments may make 75% of Oklahomans feel warm and fuzzy when they see them, but they don't belong in our government buildings. You can wait til you get home to lather yourself up with the ten commandments if it makes you feel better, or if you think you are really righteous you may even be able to wait until Sunday. The very reason people CAME to America was for religious freedom. Why do you think it's your right to say what everyone's religion is supposed to be?
Wake up!
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Eric wrote:
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If Jesus were alive today, he wouldn't be mixing government with religion like we do. He would know the different roles each plays and he would be disappointed by what some Christians think is the right thing to do.

The very reason people CAME to America was for religious freedom. Why do you think it's your right to say what everyone's religion is supposed to be?
To those of you well-meaning people who disagree with my premise & statement of facts regarding our nations founding, I present the following in hope that you will read these quotes & seek to know the real truth. I present some founders, Presidents, judges, statesmen & Harvard Law School Professor’s views, observations & statements of fact.
“I have always considered Christianity as the strong ground of republicanism.... It is only necessary for republicanism to ally itself to the Christian religion to overturn all the corrupted political ... institutions in the world.” BENJAMIN RUSH, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION, RATIFIER OF THE U. S. CONSTITUTION
“They ... who are decrying the Christian religion ... are undermining ... the best security for the duration of free governments.” CHARLES CARROLL, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION, FRAMER OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS
“[T]o the free and universal reading of the Bible ... men were much indebted for right views of civil liberty. DANIEL WEBSTER,“DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION”
“If “Thou shalt not covet,” and “Thou shalt not steal,” were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.” JOHN ADAMS
“The law given from Sinai was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code ... laws essential to the existence of men in society and most of which have been enacted by every nation which ever professed any code of laws.” JOHN QUINCY ADAMS
President Harry S. Truman acknowledged:
“ The fundamental basis of this Nation’s law was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings, which we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. I don’t think we emphasize that enough these days.“
President Teddy Roosevelt agreed:
“The Decalogue and the Golden Rule must stand as the foundation of every successful effort to better either our social or our political life.
Historically speaking, it was the followers of Biblical Christianity who vigorously pursued and first achieved the protection for the rights of conscience that subsequently became an central characteristic of the American civil fabric. Even Roscoe Pound (1870-1964; a professor at four different law schools and the Dean of the law schools at Harvard and the University of Nebraska) acknowledged that it was the Biblical-minded Puritans who first brought these rights to the forefront of civil protection; “
And in the words of an 1824 Federal Circuit Court:
“[B]efore [the American colonial] period, the principle of liberty of conscience appeared in the laws of no people, the axiom of no government, the institutes of no society, and scarcely in the temper of any man.“
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The ten commandments should really be wittled down a bit. Come now, have you never been to a grocery store or gas station on the sabbath? If so, you are condoning the breaking of one of those almighty commandments. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, as I am no biblical scholar, but aren't the commandments in the old testament, before Jesus came to save the day? If I were Jewish, I'd probably feel that all Christians are breaking the commandment about not putting any gods before HIM.
Speaking of gods....since it's written on the commandments, does this mean the almighty is admitting there is more than one god? After all, why would he be jealous of another god that didn't exist? Food for thought.
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slimjim wrote:
The court would outlaw Jesus, today because of his religous affiliation. Lets look at the decisions the court has made in the last fifty years. Why is crime so prevelant and why are criminals so plentiful.
would you like me to start pointing out all the crime thats occurs in the name of christianity.
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If people would take the time to compare a timeline of when God has been removed from school, government, etc. they would see a very clear line of when violence, teen pregnancy, etc. shot up in numbers.

Our founding fathers, the same ones who want and created our country to provide freedom, also wanted our foundation to be in God. Read our Constitution, look at our money, EVERYTHING that our founding fathers created for us, included God, because they knew how important God is.
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What purpose does such a idea as " No other Gods but me" have in a pluralistic society? What is the purpose of "Make no Graven Images"? Who will be the moderator to determine when a mother of father is or is not "honored"? What will happen to our system of economy is no one desire the things that they do not already possess? What would be the penalty of violation of these commandments? There is nothing good or worthwhile to consider in the 10 Commandments. It is not as if prior to them being made into a compilation that the idea had not existed before in human society.

Our nation was not founded as a Christian nation it was founded as a secular nation. The people were given the freedom to select according to their conscience what they choose to believe about the supernatural or to hold no belief in it at all without it having affect upon them as citizens of The United States of America.

People that believe that the 10 Commandments and other religious actions should be taken by our government are a disgrace to the principles to which this nation was founded. the ideas of liberty and justice and freedom for all.

Keep in mind it was the Founding Fathers that put Article VI in The Constitution and ratified Amendment I and ratified the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797 which states that The United States is not a a Christian nation.
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Le Jimbo wrote:
somebody is legislating from the bench again. having a monument on the ground is not pushing a national religion. If it was muslim their would be not one argument. The ACLU and the communist that back them know the only way for them to win is to get god out of our government, schools and laws.
communist love religion. it helps keep the sheep in line. and what would they be winning. is there some sort of competition going on here. and muslims dont need stuff like monuments. i believe they are a little more dedicated to their god then you are to jesus.
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Well RLM, regardless of the founding fathers initial beliefs, times have changed and more and more people are really just sick of religion being shoved down their throats, particularly here in the Bible Belt. Hopefully this country will evolve into a more secular society leaving you religicos hoping for a second coming, ascension or whatever the fantasy of the week might be.
Reasonable Legal Mind wrote:
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To those of you well-meaning people who disagree with my premise & statement of facts regarding our nations founding, I present the following in hope that you will read these quotes & seek to know the real truth. I present some founders, Presidents, judges, statesmen & Harvard Law School Professor&#8217;s views, observations & statements of fact.
&#8220;I have always considered Christianity as the strong ground of republicanism.... It is only necessary for republicanism to ally itself to the Christian religion to overturn all the corrupted political ... institutions in the world.&#8221; BENJAMIN RUSH, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION, RATIFIER OF THE U. S. CONSTITUTION
&#8220;They ... who are decrying the Christian religion ... are undermining ... the best security for the duration of free governments.&#8221; CHARLES CARROLL, SIGNER OF THE DECLARATION, FRAMER OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS
&#8220;[T]o the free and universal reading of the Bible ... men were much indebted for right views of civil liberty. DANIEL WEBSTER,&#8220;DEFENDER OF THE CONSTITUTION&#8221;
&#8220;If &#8220;Thou shalt not covet,&#8221; and &#8220;Thou shalt not steal,&#8221; were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.&#8221; JOHN ADAMS
&#8220;The law given from Sinai was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code ... laws essential to the existence of men in society and most of which have been enacted by every nation which ever professed any code of laws.&#8221; JOHN QUINCY ADAMS
President Harry S. Truman acknowledged:
&#8220; The fundamental basis of this Nation&#8217;s law was given to Moses on the Mount. The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings, which we get from Exodus and St. Matthew, from Isaiah and St. Paul. I don&#8217;t think we emphasize that enough these days.&#8220;
President Teddy Roosevelt agreed:
&#8220;The Decalogue and the Golden Rule must stand as the foundation of every successful effort to better either our social or our political life.
Historically speaking, it was the followers of Biblical Christianity who vigorously pursued and first achieved the protection for the rights of conscience that subsequently became an central characteristic of the American civil fabric. Even Roscoe Pound (1870-1964; a professor at four different law schools and the Dean of the law schools at Harvard and the University of Nebraska) acknowledged that it was the Biblical-minded Puritans who first brought these rights to the forefront of civil protection; &#8220;
And in the words of an 1824 Federal Circuit Court:
&#8220;[B]efore [the American colonial] period, the principle of liberty of conscience appeared in the laws of no people, the axiom of no government, the institutes of no society, and scarcely in the temper of any man.&#8220;
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