Animal adoption changing

Next week, the county's Humane Society will begin arranging to have adopted animals spayed or neutered before they are taken home, as part of a partnership with area veterinarians. Full Story
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JKL

Lexington, KY

#1 Feb 6, 2008
The Spay and Neuter clinic should shut their doors. My new dog, and two others I know, went there and got our dogs fixed. Mine came back with blood clots and cost me another $750 in vet bills getting her well after going to this clinic. The other two dogs I spoke of BOTH came out of there not well and BOTH had to go to another vet to get better after the clinic butchered them.

Get your shi- straight, clinic. If this is a government supported effort, perhaps they county council should be investigated on why our taxes are being wasted at this place with people who obviously doesn't know how to run a business or spay/neuter animals properly.

Why doesn't Judy Levine find out what is going on by herself? Is she not a council member? Her politics are getting in the way of full disclosure of the issues. Shame on you Levine. Who do you know at the clinic Levine? Politics as usual in Hamilton County.
Animal Lover

United States

#2 Feb 6, 2008
I think that it is a great idea to give the people who adopt pets a choice. Their own vet may be listed and would prefer to use him/her. I don't think that the clinic needs to have any "exclusive" rights to the business but they should at least be listed as an option. I have been in contact with the Hamilton County Humane Society many times and they want nothing but the best for these animals and I think this is proof of that.
Doggone Mad

Bloomington, IN

#3 Feb 6, 2008
Yeah, let's talk about my dog (spayed at the LOW cost spay neuter clininc) and how it was bleeding so bad from it's incision, that I drove her back to the clinic later that night. They were closed, and the woman mopping the floors, started drawing up an injection. I stopped her and asked what she was doing and she said "this is what the doctor would do". BUT SHE'S NOT A DOCTOR!!! She was mopping the floors!!!!

Seriously, what kind of medicine do these people practice? It's a chop shop. It's assembly line medicine with NO follow up care for the screw ups they make.

It cost me $840 to have my dog stabilized and nursed back to health at a REAL animal doctor.

I applaud the Humane Society for using REAL Vets to handle their animals - they'll save more lives for it.
Velda

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Feb 6, 2008
JKL wrote:
The Spay and Neuter clinic should shut their doors. My new dog, and two others I know, went there and got our dogs fixed. Mine came back with blood clots and cost me another $750 in vet bills getting her well after going to this clinic. The other two dogs I spoke of BOTH came out of there not well and BOTH had to go to another vet to get better after the clinic butchered them.
Get your shi- straight, clinic. If this is a government supported effort, perhaps they county council should be investigated on why our taxes are being wasted at this place with people who obviously doesn't know how to run a business or spay/neuter animals properly.
Why doesn't Judy Levine find out what is going on by herself? Is she not a council member? Her politics are getting in the way of full disclosure of the issues. Shame on you Levine. Who do you know at the clinic Levine? Politics as usual in Hamilton County.
Hello JKL. I am a board member of the Clinic and would like to know who you are and the date of your bad experience so I may follow up. Thanks.
Velda

Indianapolis, IN

#5 Feb 6, 2008
Hello JKL. I am a board member of the Clinic and would like to know who you are and the date of your bad experience so I may follow up. Thanks.
Velda

Indianapolis, IN

#6 Feb 6, 2008
Would also like the same information for "Doggone Mad"
Earn It

Carmel, IN

#7 Feb 6, 2008
JKL wrote:
The Spay and Neuter clinic should shut their doors. My new dog, and two others I know, went there and got our dogs fixed. Mine came back with blood clots and cost me another $750 in vet bills getting her well after going to this clinic. The other two dogs I spoke of BOTH came out of there not well and BOTH had to go to another vet to get better after the clinic butchered them.
Get your shi- straight, clinic. If this is a government supported effort, perhaps they county council should be investigated on why our taxes are being wasted at this place with people who obviously doesn't know how to run a business or spay/neuter animals properly.
Why doesn't Judy Levine find out what is going on by herself? Is she not a council member? Her politics are getting in the way of full disclosure of the issues. Shame on you Levine. Who do you know at the clinic Levine? Politics as usual in Hamilton County.
The clinic in question is a low cost clinic. It is intended for people who cannot afford a regular vet. And it is true with these sorts of facilities corners are sometimes cut in order to be able to keep the cost low and provide an alternative to families who could not otherwise afford any level of care for their animals.

Yes it is assembly line surgery and yes there can be complications from that. However, the majority of the animals spayed/neutered go home with no complications. It is certainly better than no spay/neuter at all and much better than throwing litter after litter into an already overloaded shelter system.

If you could afford $750.00 at another vet you should have used a regular vet for your spay/neuter rather than taking a spay/neuter spot at a low cost clinic away from someone who may have had no other options.

Shame on you in this case!
Earn It

Carmel, IN

#8 Feb 6, 2008
Doggone Mad wrote:
Yeah, let's talk about my dog (spayed at the LOW cost spay neuter clininc) and how it was bleeding so bad from it's incision, that I drove her back to the clinic later that night. They were closed, and the woman mopping the floors, started drawing up an injection. I stopped her and asked what she was doing and she said "this is what the doctor would do". BUT SHE'S NOT A DOCTOR!!! She was mopping the floors!!!!
Seriously, what kind of medicine do these people practice? It's a chop shop. It's assembly line medicine with NO follow up care for the screw ups they make.
It cost me $840 to have my dog stabilized and nursed back to health at a REAL animal doctor.
I applaud the Humane Society for using REAL Vets to handle their animals - they'll save more lives for it.
Same to you - if you wanted class A service you should have spent the money for a class A surgery facility since you clearly could have afforded.

Instead you took up resources that were intended for the low income and then complained that you didn't get class A service for class C prices.
Victor Vond

Evansville, IN

#9 Feb 6, 2008
So- the low-income, by nature of their ecomnomic status...
deserve to have their pets mutilated?
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Wow- how elitist of you.
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An aside: We need to stop calling it 'adoption'. I love my pet, but it is an ANIMAL, not a person. It isn't adopted, it is OWNED.
.
Earn It wrote:
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Same to you - if you wanted class A service you should have spent the money for a class A surgery facility since you clearly could have afforded.
Instead you took up resources that were intended for the low income and then complained that you didn't get class A service for class C prices.
dances with wolf

Georgetown, IN

#10 Feb 6, 2008
Earn It wrote:
<quoted text>
The clinic in question is a low cost clinic. It is intended for people who cannot afford a regular vet. And it is true with these sorts of facilities corners are sometimes cut in order to be able to keep the cost low and provide an alternative to families who could not otherwise afford any level of care for their animals.
Yes it is assembly line surgery and yes there can be complications from that. However, the majority of the animals spayed/neutered go home with no complications. It is certainly better than no spay/neuter at all and much better than throwing litter after litter into an already overloaded shelter system.
If you could afford $750.00 at another vet you should have used a regular vet for your spay/neuter rather than taking a spay/neuter spot at a low cost clinic away from someone who may have had no other options.
Shame on you in this case!
It is a requirement of most animal adoption groups that you be able to afford a vet if you want to adopt an animal. Most groups also require that the animal be spayed/neutered before being adopted. The cost is rolled into the adoption fee.
Sharon

Fishers, IN

#11 Feb 6, 2008
We took all 3 of our cats to the clinic, and they all came out perfectly healthy. In fact, they didn't even seem to know they'd had a surgery. The staff at the clinic was all exceptionally profession.

I'm amazed that people would take their pets to any clinic or vet office, have a horrid experience, and then not contact that office to try to make things right - or at least report the problem.

My friends had a child die several years ago due to negligence at a local hospital. While it was the saddest experience I've ever known, it didn't make the hospital a "butcher shop". There are always risks with surgery. Complications do exist.

Low cost clinics have a mission to spay/neuter so that animals don't continue to reproduce, only to be euthanized at local shelters. Too many people don't want to spend the money to spay/neuter - or they can't afford to do it - and animals pay with their lives.

Thanks to this clinic and others around the country for the work they do!
Trinket

United States

#12 Feb 6, 2008
You get what you pay for.....that is why I never take free advice. Low cost equals low value.
Dr Pam Carpenter

Indianapolis, IN

#13 Feb 6, 2008
I have been the staff veterinary surgeon at the Hamilton County Low Cost Spay Neuter Clinic since April, 2007. I received my DVM from Purdue in 1980, and so have had many years experience in small animal medicine and surgery. I am very proud of the work we do at the clinic. Of course with the low prices we charge, there is no pre-surgical blood work offered, but that is the only place we "cut corners". We use all the same routine injectable and gas anesthetics and pain medicines that full service veterinary hospitals do, and have brand new anesthetic machines and monitoring equipment. Every animal is monitored both by a technician and the oxygen/heart rate sensor during the entire surgical procedure and recovery period. Of the over 5000 surgeries I have performed there, I know of only 3 animals which required further care specifically related to the surgery. If anyone has post-op complications, our director can be easily reached by telephone. We certainly would want to help our clients with any problems so there would be no need to incur high costs elsewhere.
SITG

Borden, IN

#14 Feb 6, 2008
Very well stated. I was thinking the same thing!
Earn It wrote:
<quoted text>
The clinic in question is a low cost clinic. It is intended for people who cannot afford a regular vet. And it is true with these sorts of facilities corners are sometimes cut in order to be able to keep the cost low and provide an alternative to families who could not otherwise afford any level of care for their animals.
Yes it is assembly line surgery and yes there can be complications from that. However, the majority of the animals spayed/neutered go home with no complications. It is certainly better than no spay/neuter at all and much better than throwing litter after litter into an already overloaded shelter system.
If you could afford $750.00 at another vet you should have used a regular vet for your spay/neuter rather than taking a spay/neuter spot at a low cost clinic away from someone who may have had no other options.
Shame on you in this case!
SITG

Borden, IN

#15 Feb 6, 2008
Dr Pam Carpenter wrote:
I have been the staff veterinary surgeon at the Hamilton County Low Cost Spay Neuter Clinic since April, 2007. I received my DVM from Purdue in 1980, and so have had many years experience in small animal medicine and surgery. I am very proud of the work we do at the clinic. Of course with the low prices we charge, there is no pre-surgical blood work offered, but that is the only place we "cut corners". We use all the same routine injectable and gas anesthetics and pain medicines that full service veterinary hospitals do, and have brand new anesthetic machines and monitoring equipment. Every animal is monitored both by a technician and the oxygen/heart rate sensor during the entire surgical procedure and recovery period. Of the over 5000 surgeries I have performed there, I know of only 3 animals which required further care specifically related to the surgery. If anyone has post-op complications, our director can be easily reached by telephone. We certainly would want to help our clients with any problems so there would be no need to incur high costs elsewhere.
Dr. Carpenter -- thank you for the work that you do. I, for one, am so grateful that there are doctors out there willing to devote their time and expertise in an endeavor such as this. You are highly appreciated!!
SITG

Borden, IN

#16 Feb 6, 2008
Victor Vond wrote:
So- the low-income, by nature of their ecomnomic status...
deserve to have their pets mutilated?
.
Wow- how elitist of you.
.
An aside: We need to stop calling it 'adoption'. I love my pet, but it is an ANIMAL, not a person. It isn't adopted, it is OWNED.
.
<quoted text>
I'm fairly certain that is not what he meant, and you know it!
JKL

Lexington, KY

#17 Feb 6, 2008
Earn It wrote:
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The clinic in question is a low cost clinic. It is intended for people who cannot afford a regular vet. And it is true with these sorts of facilities corners are sometimes cut in order to be able to keep the cost low and provide an alternative to families who could not otherwise afford any level of care for their animals.
Yes it is assembly line surgery and yes there can be complications from that. However, the majority of the animals spayed/neutered go home with no complications. It is certainly better than no spay/neuter at all and much better than throwing litter after litter into an already overloaded shelter system.
If you could afford $750.00 at another vet you should have used a regular vet for your spay/neuter rather than taking a spay/neuter spot at a low cost clinic away from someone who may have had no other options.
Shame on you in this case!
What a moronic post. I HAD TO SPEND THE $750 on the dog because this clinic screwed up in a major way. How else was the dog to get better? Should I have just left him to die and suffer?

Shame on you for not thinking things through. Dumba--!!!!
JKL

Lexington, KY

#19 Feb 6, 2008
Velda wrote:
Hello JKL. I am a board member of the Clinic and would like to know who you are and the date of your bad experience so I may follow up. Thanks.
Are you going to reimburse me for my expenses?
Ron Kielkowski 1 of 2

Prospect, KY

#20 Feb 6, 2008
JKL and Doggone Mad: As a board member of the HC Low Cost Spay Neuter Clinic, I was greatly disturbed by your harsh comments for several reasons: 1) If you are real pet owners who have had problems as a result of surgery from our clinic, we need to know about them. To date, we have not received a call from either of you expressing any such concern. My name is Ron Kielkowski and my email address is ronkielkowski@rcgresearch.com. I invite you to email me to talk more about this in detail. If either of you call me I will post your response on this same page. But honestly, I don’t think either of you are real pet owners or customers of the Clinic!

Doggone Mad: I believe your story is complete fiction and here is why – you say you came back later that night and that the clinic was closed. But yet you talked to a woman mopping the floors?! When our clinic closes, our personnel have already swept and mopped the floors. There would be no one at the clinic after we close the doors! Much less a cleaning person who has access to medical instruments! And like JKL, why haven’t we heard from you about this?

To everyone else, please know that as a board member, I am deeply concerned about any anomalies which we experience during the course of our surgeries. In less than a year, we have performed over 6800 spays and neuters. We are not perfect and we have had complications, but in each case, the customers who had problems called us and we immediately had one of our vets or examine, diagnose, and correct the problem, or after hours, an animal is sent to an emergency clinic, and in every case, the HC Low Cost Clinic has covered the cost of this!

I am even more concerned about continuing hostilities between the HC Low Cost Spay Neuter Clinic and the HC Humane Society. It seems to me that the Humane Society, which has several wealthy, powerful vets on their board, has always been opposed to a low cost spay neuter clinic. It concerns me that while we have 5 other Humane Societies and 25+ rescue groups both inside and outside of Hamilton county using services of the clinic, the HC Humane Society doesn’t. It concerns me even more that while the Humane Society and the Low Cost Clinic have always had a program in place to spay and neuter pets, that their executive director would send out a press release and tell a news paper reporter that they the Clinic does not have a program with the Humane Society.
Ron Kielkowski 2 of 2

Prospect, KY

#21 Feb 6, 2008
Finally, it concerns me that when Tania E. Lopez, the reporter of this story called OUR executive director and asked about the Clinics spay neuter program for the Humane Society and was told about the program ALREADY IN PLACE, she fails to report what she was told about our existing program! Am I the only one who longs for truth in reporting?

Here is the offer which has always been in place between the HC Low Cost Clinic and the HC Humane Society. If you adopt a pet from the HC Humane Society, you will receive a coupon for a spay/neuter of your pet. If you bring this coupon next door to the HC Low Cost Clinic, we will spay/neuter your pet for FREE! The Humane Society then reimburses the Clinic for the cost of the operation. But for the owner of the adopted pet, THERE IS NO CHARGE for the surgery. This policy has been in place since our first few weeks of operation, and yet the Humane Society almost never tells people adopting pets about this!?

We commend the HC Humane Society for finally taking a stronger stance on spaying/neutering every pet adopted. It is our hope that the HC Humane Society will tell everyone who adopts a pet about the free program offered by the HC Low Cost Clinic. And if they fail to mention it when you adopt your pet, please stop by next door. We’ll be happy to tell you.

JKL and Doggone, if you are real, you are welcome to email me with your comments. As I stated earlier, I will post any response I get here, but I doubt I will hear from you.

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