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Referendums to allow vote on projects gain support

There are 108 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jan 20, 2008, titled Referendums to allow vote on projects gain support. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

A frustrated and angry Jose Beyer spent weeks canvassing the streets of Westfield, knocking on doors and interrupting dinners to scrape up signatures against plans to knock down the town's library and replace ...

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Ed Angleton

United States

#102 Jan 21, 2008
confused wrote:
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They don't do that now as far as building to last? IPS has buildings 70+ years old. When is the last time you looked at the regulations schools have to build to--such as OSHA requirements to deal with air movement and prevent sick building syndrome. Most schools are replecating buildings as they build new---this is just another uninformed, but unfortunately, able to vote, person.
Confused,

Your psuedonym suits you well. Which architectural or construction firm do you work for?

The point is that, just as the Declaration of Independence holds that "all men are created equal", I believe that all schools should be created equal. Let's stop wasting the taxpayer's money on huge bond issues which are then used to build high schools that serve more as monuments to a school board's ego than as institutions of learning. Spend the money where it needs to be spent, on teacher's salaries, books, supplies and buildings where function outweighs asthetics and frills.

Your ISP address may be Nobelsville, but your attitude is strangely reminiscent of the spend at all cost mentality of the Washington Township School Board. What happens when the bonds are due and the tax base isn't large enough to cover the bill, because the citizenry has been taxed to point that there's nothing left.
WHAT

Indianapolis, IN

#103 Jan 22, 2008
usmcdad wrote:
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Barb, have you ever been to a school board meeting? Your extreme generalizations of "voting on everything" is not what anyone who wants referendums on school spending is advocating.
I would invite you to come to a school board meeting at MSD of Decatur Township. Decatur township is populated by the economically poorest people outside of urban Indianapolis and within Marion county. Decatur residents have no where near the annual income of Carmel residents, so why are Carmel type facilities being built in Decatur Township? We're located about 5 miles south of the Indianapolis airport, and you would get a real education about how out of control school board meetings are run. Find out how the administration and board gives the public a few seconds IMMEDIATELY at the beginning of the meeting, right after the pledge of allegiance, then is not allowed to comment at any other time (no matter how controversial a plan, nor how expensive the project)! Let's just see how great your oratory is and how effective you can be against a school supt. who has pushed his annual salary to $200,000 and his close allies who are also earning 6 figures. How effective can YOU be agains those whose sole purpose is to support expanding their little "kingdom" (thiefdom would be a better word)?? Let's just see just how effective you are against stopping a second swimming pool (yes, that's right folks, Decatur is building a second olympic sized swimming pool) that is going to cost several million dollars. The MSD Decatur school corporation is the single largest property owner in Decatur township that I know of. What is the purpose of all the parcels of property that the school corporation has purchased in recent years?? In spite of the fact that the High School is currently undergoing a 90 million rennovation which is going to take YEARS to complete, guess what last month's topic was? A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL!!! I would have liked to objected, or questioned that project, but of course I cannot do so until NEXT MONTH'S MEETING! Does that sound fair to you? Does that sound like the average citizen's needs or concerns are being considered!?
I must conclude from your numerous posts on this topic that you are either married to a school administrator, or have a close friend or family member that works for a school corporation. The truth in the real world is that school boards are drunk with power, are arrogant, that school administrators pack boards with "yes men", and boards are completely out of control. Our tax rate in Decatur Township is 4.1, which results in 1/4 of my take home pay going for property taxes. If I were to lose my job, smiling Frank Anderson would pay me a visit and evict me before too long. Living that close to the edge tends to make me a little crazy. When we built our house 10 years ago, my tax rate was $1250 annually. It is now over $5000 annually, and my annual salary has gone DOWN in the last 10 years, NOT UP.
Be advised that the ARCHITECT'S FEE for planning the 90 million dollar rennovation cost more than the building of the school that I went to in Greensburg, Indiana (home of the tax-abated Honda plant).
And you think it's radical to want to give the citizens some control over the school board.
Boy, did you hit the nail on the head..same stuff going on in Washington township... Remember that Democratic hopeful, Jim Schellinger has made his millions designing most of these school excesses thru his company CSO

Since: Dec 06

Indianapolis

#104 Jan 22, 2008
I look for this to pass with no problem so school boards should get ready to live on a budget like the rest of us do every week. NO MORE 14 MILLION DOLLAR SWIMMING POOLS.
LibraryGuy

Indianapolis, IN

#105 Jan 22, 2008
usmcdad wrote:
Hey Bud, with everything you could possibly want to know on the internet, libraries are obsolete anyway.
I can absolutely guarantee you that the Internet does not have (nor will it ever, at least for the forseeable future) everything that you could possibly want to know. I work in a Library and I find answers for people, businesses, politicians, agencies and more. Yes, the Internet has some information, but most of it is not reviewed for accuracy. I can easily show you a webpage that states the sky is pink. Since we know that's not true, it's easy to dismiss. But how much else isn't true out there? You just don't know.

Libraries offer fiction titles for those who don't wish to buy them (and in Indy, the Library enough collects taxes from a $100,000 homeowner to pay for about one and a half bestsellers a YEAR), nonfiction for those who need such sources and internet access for all of those who don't have internet, or whose computers are not working correctly or printers are broken or anyone of a dozen different reasons. We offer programming for all ages, too.

And yes, we even support the USMC and other armed forces branches by offering books to pass the ASVAB, and recruiting materials.

Try the library out. We're a great place to visit and use! Oh, and we have free tax forms, too.:-)
JEF

Indianapolis, IN

#106 Jan 22, 2008
Sen. Luke Kenley, the Noblesville Republican who chairs the Senate Tax and Fiscal Policy Committee is doing his best to protect the schools in his district and does not seem to care about the schools in the rest of the state. He was not in favor of referendums until Senate Bill 18 was changed so that the largest schools in Hamilton County, his district, would not have to go through the referendum process. They can keep on building the football stadiums that would do a college proud and Taj Mahals swimming pools without a referendum, when every other school system in the state would have to place these building projects in front of the voters.
I am undecided about the wisdom of referendums, but if we do go to them it should be the same rules for everyone, not the “everyone but me thinking” of Sen. Kenley.
Voice of Reason

Indianapolis, IN

#107 Jan 22, 2008
LibraryGuy wrote:
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I can absolutely guarantee you that the Internet does not have (nor will it ever, at least for the forseeable future) everything that you could possibly want to know. I work in a Library and I find answers for people, businesses, politicians, agencies and more. Yes, the Internet has some information, but most of it is not reviewed for accuracy. I can easily show you a webpage that states the sky is pink. Since we know that's not true, it's easy to dismiss. But how much else isn't true out there? You just don't know.
Libraries offer fiction titles for those who don't wish to buy them (and in Indy, the Library enough collects taxes from a $100,000 homeowner to pay for about one and a half bestsellers a YEAR), nonfiction for those who need such sources and internet access for all of those who don't have internet, or whose computers are not working correctly or printers are broken or anyone of a dozen different reasons. We offer programming for all ages, too.
And yes, we even support the USMC and other armed forces branches by offering books to pass the ASVAB, and recruiting materials.
Try the library out. We're a great place to visit and use! Oh, and we have free tax forms, too.:-)
Terrific! You could never get tax forms from the internet!
Now Just a Minute

Fort Wayne, IN

#108 Jan 23, 2008
Dear Voice of Reason - you can print out any tax form from the IRS or Indiana Dept of Revenue website - you don't need to burn up $3.00 per gallon gas going all the way downtown to the $100 million dollar library to pick up a tax form.

“Read My Lips: NO NEW TAXES”

Since: Jul 07

Indianapolis

#109 Jan 24, 2008
LibraryGuy wrote:
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I can absolutely guarantee you that the Internet does not have (nor will it ever, at least for the forseeable future) everything that you could possibly want to know. I work in a Library and I find answers for people, businesses, politicians, agencies and more. Yes, the Internet has some information, but most of it is not reviewed for accuracy. I can easily show you a webpage that states the sky is pink. Since we know that's not true, it's easy to dismiss. But how much else isn't true out there? You just don't know.
Libraries offer fiction titles for those who don't wish to buy them (and in Indy, the Library enough collects taxes from a $100,000 homeowner to pay for about one and a half bestsellers a YEAR), nonfiction for those who need such sources and internet access for all of those who don't have internet, or whose computers are not working correctly or printers are broken or anyone of a dozen different reasons. We offer programming for all ages, too.
And yes, we even support the USMC and other armed forces branches by offering books to pass the ASVAB, and recruiting materials.
Try the library out. We're a great place to visit and use! Oh, and we have free tax forms, too.:-)
Hello Library Guy! I don't have anything against libraries, nor those who use them, nor those who work in them!

I'll agree that the internet has a great deal of misinformation going around, and if you want the TRUTH, you have to do your own research. Sometimes that means going to the library! LOL.

Like Barb, I'm guilty of a glaring generalization.
However, my comment about out of control school boards stands!

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