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Referendums to allow vote on projects gain support

There are 108 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jan 20, 2008, titled Referendums to allow vote on projects gain support. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

A frustrated and angry Jose Beyer spent weeks canvassing the streets of Westfield, knocking on doors and interrupting dinners to scrape up signatures against plans to knock down the town's library and replace ...

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Voter

Indianapolis, IN

#1 Jan 21, 2008
It's interesting that the liberals and Democrats don't want to let citizens decide how their money is spent. As always, liberals want more government power.
Bud Barton

Albion, IN

#2 Jan 21, 2008
with as much money the property rax raised and most of it going to schools.
Schools should'nt need any money for
the next 5 yrs.
And Libraries are a waste of money
why spend millions for books to ser on
a shelf.
Besides evry school has a library and
the public should be able to use it.
It paid for with tax money
TV Boy

Decatur, IL

#3 Jan 21, 2008
Pat Baurer is opposed to lettng the people have a say in how their money is spent? Wow, what a surprise! I'm shocked that he didn't offer some kind of rebate plan as an alternative!
Not Out in Indiana

Clarksburg, IN

#4 Jan 21, 2008
The fact that many non-elected taxing authorities have no accountability to the citizenship is the key issue. As a tax payer in Marion county, I did not get to vote for our library board who saw fit to spend $100+ million on a new library. There are far too many taxing entities and one should not expect the general population to keep up with all the rules as our friend in Westfield had to jump through. It is no wonder we have a property tax issue in Indiana.
Ron Thomas

Louisville, KY

#5 Jan 21, 2008
I think the amount of money needed to bring the Referendum into play should be lower. $7,000,000 is still relatively high. If the Taxing Authorities PLAN in advance, a $1,000,000 amount should the starting level at which the Referendum comes into play.

“Read My Lips: NO NEW TAXES”

Since: Jul 07

Indianapolis

#6 Jan 21, 2008
Congratulations to Mr. Beyer for attempting the daunting process of remonstrance against a questionable building project. Most folks are worrried about having enough funds to pay next month's house payment, putting groceries on the table, or paying for child care. Most Hoosiers have jobs that will not let them attempt a remonstrance against a runaway school board and administration; hence, the lavish and extravagant spending on school facilities.

With referendums, we will see schools built that are more in line with local income levels. Carmel can afford a college type campus. Decatur Central cannot (but we have one anyway).

Hey Bud, with everything you could possibly want to know on the internet, libraries are obsolete anyway.

RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT!
Concerned

Euclid, OH

#7 Jan 21, 2008
School [lobbyists] in Indiana have been fighting the change, fearing that putting such power in the hands of voters might hurt much-needed public projects.

The word lobbyist is why we need voter referendums.
Politicians and lobbyists spending habits are the reason for our local, state and national debt, they spend our hard earned money on projects that could be completed with less than half of what is spent.

The only fair way is voter referendums.
DRB

United States

#8 Jan 21, 2008
Referendums would force school boards to finally have to prove to the public their needs and gain their support instead of just attempting to force whatever they dream up down taxpayers throats. I hope for Indiana's sake that referendums pass.

Retired

Union, KY

#9 Jan 21, 2008
We need the referendum process -- AND We NEED IT NOW.
I have no problems with approving funds for additional class rooms -- Chemistry labs -- Engineering Labs -- Computer Labs -- In other words Educational facilities.

With 52% of my property taxes going to build things like Olimpic Swimming pools -- Basketball & Football facilities that a small college would die for. And the eight (8) baseball diamonds that Fishers High School has. Hell -- a Triple A team would love to have such facilities

Every time they build a new school, it always has to be bigger and better than the last one.

These school board members do not build educational facilities -- they build castles....
Non Voter

Durham, NC

#10 Jan 21, 2008
Why vote on anything?
ME too

Indianapolis, IN

#11 Jan 21, 2008
I agree with all the previous posters..but the problem lies with guys like the representative who told the Gov. in his appearance "that the schools will have to lay off teachers" Mitch shot back with "why is the first response laying off teachers when Indiana is #3 in the nation in ratio of administrators to students" and those folks are making 3times what a teacher makes plus big perks..they are squealing like stuck pigs and won't go down without a fight..make sure you contact your Legislators at IN.Gov and tell them you want this passed..
ME too

Indianapolis, IN

#12 Jan 21, 2008
Non Voter wrote:
Why vote on anything?
I don't agree with you...
Talk radio BS

Indianapolis, IN

#13 Jan 21, 2008
Voter wrote:
It's interesting that the liberals and Democrats don't want to let citizens decide how their money is spent. As always, liberals want more government power.
What is a liberal? Someone who isn't a conservative? People can't be categorized like corporate talk radio tries to do. "We are right and God-like. They are the devil. This is what they believe in." It's where the money is going. We know corporations and businesses get tax abatements yet make even bigger profits hiring illegals in the workforce. Gas corporations and the health care industry make record profits yet they tell us that they can't help mus any more than they do. We pay athletes billions for mediocre at best performance. There is no reason ALL schools should not have the same respources and facilities, especially air conditioning for year round schools.Yet one school build a wsiiming pool,(with parents pushing for it), and you'd think ALL schools built them. We need to fund schools on alevel playing field because we assess them on one which isn't right. The neighborhood school should be the center of every community. I'd much rather see my taxes go to schools rather than the alternative- the prison system where they aren't rehabilitated and they watch porn all day on my taxes.
Garrison

Indianapolis, IN

#14 Jan 21, 2008
Bud Barton wrote:
with as much money the property rax raised and most of it going to schools.
Schools should'nt need any money for
the next 5 yrs.
And Libraries are a waste of money
why spend millions for books to ser on
a shelf.
Besides evry school has a library and
the public should be able to use it.
It paid for with tax money
Obviously libraries and schools didn't do what they were supposed to by reading this post. "Schools shouldn't get any money for the next 5 years." That's ok except things like health care for teachers, gas and other utilites continue to rise and will the next 5 years. Everyone should be able to use the school library, However have you seen how bad the library is in an IPS school compared to a township school? Fund the schools equally and then let the public and community enjoy them.
Truth

United States

#15 Jan 21, 2008
Talk radio BS wrote:
<quoted text>What is a liberal? Someone who isn't a conservative? People can't be categorized like corporate talk radio tries to do. "We are right and God-like. They are the devil. This is what they believe in." It's where the money is going. We know corporations and businesses get tax abatements yet make even bigger profits hiring illegals in the workforce. Gas corporations and the health care industry make record profits yet they tell us that they can't help mus any more than they do. We pay athletes billions for mediocre at best performance. There is no reason ALL schools should not have the same respources and facilities, especially air conditioning for year round schools.Yet one school build a wsiiming pool,(with parents pushing for it), and you'd think ALL schools built them. We need to fund schools on alevel playing field because we assess them on one which isn't right. The neighborhood school should be the center of every community. I'd much rather see my taxes go to schools rather than the alternative- the prison system where they aren't rehabilitated and they watch porn all day on my taxes.
The typical liberal response. Probably from a school adminisstrator. A referendum process would prove that your liberal ideas are not acceptable by the majority of the voters and therefore you fear the inevitable failure of your ridiculous free spending ideas.
Joe

AOL

#16 Jan 21, 2008
Concerned wrote:
School [lobbyists] in Indiana have been fighting the change, fearing that putting such power in the hands of voters might hurt much-needed public projects.
The word lobbyist is why we need voter referendums.
Politicians and lobbyists spending habits are the reason for our local, state and national debt, they spend our hard earned money on projects that could be completed with less than half of what is spent.
The only fair way is voter referendums.
Right on Concerned. This argument that the founding fathers did not have the idea of referendums as needed assumed that representatives would represent the people first and the worry about about getting relected second. Now with elections being costly and special interests through lobbyists ready to help with cash-we have government (votes) for sale. Voters should be able to decide through referendums (schools do represent 50% of property taxes) and as was shown in the last election we can decide to "throw out" legislators who don't agree.
Dennis_Daviess Co

United States

#17 Jan 21, 2008
This needs to be passed period. No and,if, or buts about it. And if rug head in there wants to try to stop it. Well maybe we need to recall him too. He's a waste of time and a good person's air that he takes in every time he opens his trap.
Non Voter

Durham, NC

#18 Jan 21, 2008
ME too wrote:
<quoted text> I don't agree with you...
Lets vote and see who does agree with me!
Now Just a Minute

Chicago, IL

#19 Jan 21, 2008
Referendum is the way to go - less devisive for the community and it will force schools to develop more fiscally repsonsible initial plans know they will have to face the voters. We realize and acknowledge new school must be built when there is growth and schools must be remodled and updated to use current technology - we're not about spending nothing at all on schools we are about spending repsonsibly on schools.

Don't let this get watered down by adding amendments like - beiong exempt from the referendum if your school has 4% growth in one year. This is in one bill and it makes the process meaningless. If growth is a factor then it should be over time - I'd suggest 4% average over a three year period.

The threshold should be on a percentage of NAV not a set amount, say like 1/2 of one percent of net assessed value. This is fair for both large and small schools.

Don't let special interest derail this.
Now Just a Minute

Fort Wayne, IN

#20 Jan 21, 2008
Hey Pete: Alexander Hamilton was shot for his beliefs by Aaron Burr.

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